User talk:ElfLady64

A belated welcome!

Hello, ElfLady64, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions so far. I love your user page! I am a fellow musical theatre lover. Here are a few helpful links, although you probably already know about many of them:

Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:CITE, WP:V and WP:NPOV
How to develop articles
Writing better articles
Manual of Style

If you have any questions about editing or otherwise, you can ask me on my talk page. Happy editing!

Again, welcome! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two thoughts

Looking over your user page, two ideas occur to me. For examples of good performer bio articles, check out Noel Coward, Bernadette Peters, Stanley Holloway, Marie Lloyd and George Robey. Generally, to see the best articles on Wikipedia, see WP:FA. Secondly, with respect to infoboxes, note that many editors (including me) do not prefer them in most articles. See, e.g., WP:DISINFOBOX for some reasons, but basically, they take up space at the top of an article, interfere with the lead image, contain entirely redundant information, attract errors and unbalance articles by emphasizing less important information in a very prominent position. I find them most useful in biographies of athletes and politicians, but not helpful for performers. The musical theatre project, however, uses them at the top of articles about musicals. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Ssilvers:Thank you for taking a look, that is literally so awesome of you! I did look at the FA bios, but I'm having trouble because there is a lot of information online about, say, Bernadette Peters, and she has done a lot of notable work, received many notable awards, etc., whereas the articles I'm editting of much less documented and prominent performers. I want to see how to best spread out the notable information that does exist, and not just have the article be a lead paragraph and nothing more, without including information that is irrelevant (like say, a complete list of stage credits, an example of what I am talking about is Mary Testa). If I wanted to look at pages that have been deemed well-written, but also have less content, where would you recommend I look?

And on infoboxes, I did see that you are in the anti-infobox camp on your user page actualy, and I totally understand that, especially with less prominent performers, because when adding them to some of the articles it was very redundant and unnecessary, but I only added them to pages where they were requested in the WP:MT talk page banner (and musicals that did not have the WP:MT template) so I could remove the request. Some of these requests were also made on behalf of other WikiProjects. Do you think I should remove the infoboxes for the articles where that is not the case and the infobox adds nothing to the article, even though they were requested?

My response got quite long so I've bolded my additional questions. Thanks again for all your help! ElfLady64 (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! For some shorter bio articles, try Phyllis Dare, Lily Elsie, Francis Jue, Linda Lavin, Frederick Hobson Leslie, Gertie Millar ... that ought to get you started. Re: infoboxes, I express my opinion, but as you know, the Wikipedia community is divided on the issue. So, even if I think an infobox is detrimental to an article, I rarely go out of my way to remove it, because it could lead to a dispute. I will usually only try to remove it if the article is important to me (e.g., if it is Gilbert and Sullivan-related). But if I want to try to remove it, then I look to see if the article has not been actively edited for some years. If so, I'll remove it and see if anyone objects. But if other editors have been actively editing an article in the past couple of years, then I make a suggestion on the Talk page first to see if other editors would mind if I removed it. Then I wait a week before going ahead. Certainly if you added it yourself, you could remove it, but that is up to you. I hope this is helpful! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:23, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Testa

I took a look at Testa's article. It's a good start. The main problems are that there is little about her personal life and that there is no information about her reputation. I added a little about her early life, but If you can find a source that reports who her parents were, and their occupations, that would be helpful. As for her reputation, we need to add some quotes about her performances from reviewers. She is considered a comic actress, but there is nothing in the article, currently, talking about her comic talents, her singing style, her successes and failures as an actress, etc. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cast list formatting

First of all, people go overboard with cast lists. You do not need cast lists and tables for all the productions. There should always be a cast list showing all of the principal roles for the original major-market production (usually Broadway or West End). If the show has never been on Broadway or the West End, show the cast list for it's most important early production (Off-Broadway, off-West End, or important national or regional theater). Notable replacements can be shown underneath that cast list. But if the show has had numerous important productions, you can make a table like in The King and I or, if there are just a few major productions, one like in Flower Drum Song. I also think that people go overboard with Awards tables. Tonys, Oliviers, Drama Desk, Theatreworld, Grammys (for the show album) and Obies, yes; but we don't need Drama League, Outer Critics' Circle, etc. or regional, audience-favorite or newspaper awards. You can say "the show won 10 Critics' Circle awards, a record" or something like that, but generally, things like Drama League are basically just less prestigious, and so they are not, IMO, encyclopedic. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:43, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Sondheim

Just taking a shot in the dark here, as you are a Sondheim fan: Do you have, or can you locate, a copyright-free photo of Sondheim from recent decades? The article is under-illustrated and has only one (1976) photo of Sondheim. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:49, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Ssilvers:It's funny that you mention that, because I have been looking for one for a while actually! I'm still on the hunt, and if all else fails, I'm going to ask around the Sondheimite circles about whether anyone took any unpublished public appearance photos that they wouldn't mind uploading to the Commons. (He recently appeared at the Into the Woods reunion show in LA, and I know some people who were there. I'm not sure if photos were permitted though. Of course, the next time he makes a public appearance in New York, I will be there, and I will borrow my friend's camera to take a picture of him myself if I have to. If only because that one lonely picture is so misleading because he most definitely does not look like that anymore. Anyway, thanks for all of your advice, and taking so much of your time to answer my numerous questions in such detail! ElfLady64 (talk) 21:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Classification

Note that A-class is basically dead. After B class, do peer review, then GA class (or GA class, then peer review) and then FA class. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the GA criteria. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Producer's Tony Awards

Sorry, I did not notice your question until now, as it got buried in some other stuff on my Talk page. You wrote: "how would you phrase the situation where the producers of the production receive the Tony for Best Musical/Play/Revival on behalf of the show? ... I ran into this problem while trying to flesh out and format the page ... [on] Brandon Victor Dixon". OK, I have several thoughts:

First, we should not say that a person is an "award-winning actor/producer", etc. That is marketing talk. The person was nominated for an award, or she won an award. In fact, for producers, I would just say that the person was a "producer of X, which won a Tony Award for Best Play in 2005."
Second, try to make a person's life career as chronological as possible. Start with their early life (birthplace, childhood, parents/siblings, education). Then their earliest professional experiences, chronologically to the present, although this may, of course, be broken into sensible sections.
The WP:LEAD section should be an overview of the most important information (the highlights) from the whole article. See WP:LEAD.

I revised the Dixon article to massage the information around into better WP format. I urge you to delete the infobox, as this is entirely redundant for this article and does not really stress the most important facts about this person, so that I find it not helpful to a reader's understanding. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:09, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image category

Hey there! Just wanted to let you know that I moved Category:Theatre programme cover images to Category:Theatre and concert programme cover images, and also updated the current contents of the category. Thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 15:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marcos Tiago Bernard Rodriguez

Hello! The only reference of ja:マルコス・チアゴ・ベルナルド・ロドリゲス (Marcos Tiago Bernard Rodriguez) is the page of J.League's official web site. According to the site, チアゴ (Tiago) belonged to Bellmare Hiratsuka in the 1st stage of 1999, but he had not participated any games. In addition, his name is not listed in the record of 1999 2nd stage. Some fan site describe his birthday or height, but I can't find his full name. I know little about soccer, so if you need more information, I'll translate your message for Wikipedia:WikiProject Football in jawp.--SilverSpeech (talk) 11:58, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SilverSpeech: Thank you very much! If you don't mind, could you leave a message for them asking if they can find any reliable sources about him to establish notability? Such as media coverage? Otherwise, the creation by a blocked user (who created 1000+ pages with false info) indicates to me the page should be deleted. ElfLady64 (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ElfLady64: O.K. I left a message for the Talk page of Wikiproject Football player in jawp. If we can't get enough information, I'll nominate this article for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion in jawp and ask for further investigation. --SilverSpeech (talk) 09:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I get the new information about him from jawp users. According to 『Jリーグオフィシャル・ファンズ・ガイド 1999』 (ISBN 4-88752-100-6), the official guide book published by J. League on April 1, 1999, his full name is "Marcos THIAGO Bernal Rodrigues", not "Marcos Tiago Bernard Rodriguez". His position is MF, his birthday is July 30, 1980, his height is 163 cm, and his weight is 62 kg. He had belonged to Nacional Atlético Clube in Brazil before. These are all of the information that the user describe from the book. Another user say that he couldn't even be selected as one of bench players because he was young, but s/he has no reliable sources. These information cannot establish his notability.--SilverSpeech (talk) 09:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SilverSpeech: Thanks so much! Yes, that is all the info on the English page, so I think this guide book is the only source with him in it, so I don't think we can establish notability and I will propose it for deletion on here, especially since it seems the page was created under the wrong name. Thanks for all your help! --ElfLady64 (talk) 02:58, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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