User talk:Eldamorie/Archives/2011/August

New lead - consensus and undos

Hi Eldamorie. To date there have been six people inviolved in discussions on this article. So at present its three against three. I therefore don't see how you can fairly argue for a consensus aginst the lead as it is.

Of the three of them who were involved in the discussion about inclusion of the word 'fringe' as a definition in the intro, two of them (John Shandy, Loremaster) have not contested, nor expressed any difficulty with the new lead. So again how do you suppose it goes against consensus? In fact its even been edited and adjusted slightly.

One of these three has accepted the lead as it is ("I don't care at all about the lead paragraph right now - I'm only concerned that... " John Shandy), so he has accepted it.

Two of them (John Shandy, Loremaster) have since suggested we other three go ahead and make whatever changes we think and when they have more time, they intend to discuss: "do what you will with it we can revisit the lead when there's something more concrete and updated for us to hack away at and poke and prod with..."

So my change is totally in accordance with what these two people have suggested we do so and is therefore TOTALLY in concord with those involved in the discussion and therefore can not be fairly undone on a claim of reverting to consensus view. Its three against three without any of the above and both the main protaganists have accepted changes being made till they have more time.

I have also added this message to you to the conspiracy theory discussion page, so if you want to answer, please do so there.--Mystichumwipe (talk) 06:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd just point out that consensus is not a vote. The last time I checked the talk page, Loremaster had stated that he was frustrated with the article and was taking a break. Not to mention that consensus seems strongly against giving a dictionary more weight than experts in the field - which is my primary concern, not the usage of the word "fringe" which seems to have become something of a straw man in this discussion. eldamorie (talk) 19:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)