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@SuperMarioOdyssy101 hey, sorry I didn't reply. I overlooked the msg as I am just getting used to this format. I didn't create a page of myself... someone else did though, after I made an enquiry regarding if it was deemed professional. As per your advice, I quickly learned it is frowned upon, and I got an aversion to the idea since I only wished to pursue it if it was proper. Some interesting conversations have been happening since my query and the page creation. Wikipedia is a very cool place. actually... Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 00:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see you have a profile, kinda... I don't know how to build mine. Perhaps I have to begin contributing to Wikipedia? I would like to edit a page... was thinking Irish Hiphop would be a good place to start. In the future I am thinking of creating a page for an artist who does not feature, yet has credentials and is internationally renowned. Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 00:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:YFA IN FULL if you are considering creating a Wikipedia article. You can do editing tests in your sandbox. In relation to a 'profile', Wikipedia does not have profiles, this is not a social media site. You have a User Page that allows you to introduce yourself to other Wikipedians - RichT|C|E-Mail15:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I will try to make one, I think I have found the sources (WP:GNG) to make an article about you "stick." I should get it done in a week or so, WP is my hobby. Feel free to mention any brilliant sources about you that could help. And if you like, take a look at WP:A picture of you. You can reply here, I'm watching this page (not 24/7). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh hi, that's really cool. Nice to meet you... cool username. Obviously, I am a fan of poetry and wordplay.
I wrote back on the original thread... I shared two of my website links and I explained how I am trying to compile past media coverage for posterity.
I have been on TV (interviews, performances, reality shows + documentaries), radio, a short film, a theatre production and had my single used for a Guinness national bursary advertisement as well as featuring in it, but I don't find any newspaper/article coverage of it.
I will keep digging and refining my categories of coverage and send you more.
P.S. Indeed, I will review the photo criteria and get back to you with an appropriate photo.
Thanks a lot...
Cool hobby btw, although I may have had my time to shine as a snotnose essentially underground rapper, I am a secondary school teacher now, so my focus is on pedagogy and my visual art practice - I love all things academic, so, respect on your WP avocation. Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 08:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Reading the first one now... That reminds me, I found a bunch of articles that officially cover the Guinness bursary advertisement I told you about. I also have a suitable photo and copyright permission... Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 14:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have room for more than one pic, but for WP:LEADIMAGE, the custom for articles about living people (WP:BLPs in the local lingo) is to have something recent if possible, but someone "doing what they're doing" is also nice. If you can arrange several good ones, we can have a little gallery like at Skeeter_Reece#Gallery. And perhaps editors will find them useful in other articles. In general, WP is a bit starved for good pictures we can use, since we are very careful about copyright. At the same time we do have a collection of 107,946,988 freely usable media files.
They can be, some guidance at WP:External_links#What_to_link. Wikipedians have been writing and re-writing policies and guides since 2001, and NOBODY knows them all. One tries to reasonably follow the important ones, and if you're doing it wrong, someone will probably tell you. If they notice. Hopefully in a WP:CIVIL way.
We generally stay away from WP:BLOGS. Interviews are not unreliable per se, but their use is very restricted. They don't help with "should there be an article about X?" (WP:N) but can have a limited use in other ways (WP:ABOUTSELF). An interview with you is a reliable source that you said X, but in WP-land, that you said X doesn't necessarily mean it should be on WP (WP:NPOV). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once a picture has been uploaded on Commons, it's easy to insert anywhere.
Ok. Whoever is the copyright holder, usually the photographer, should upload them with their own WP-account here:[4]. That is the standard method, and we can use the pics immediately. If someone at some point thinks there's something "suspicious" about these pics (like the uploader says it's their "own work", but the same pic can be seen in the Daily Mail), the uploader may be required to prove their copyright via mail, and if they don't the pic will be deleted.
If other people are involved, one alternative is that they do this via mail in the first place, this page helps with that, they press the blue button and it helps generate a mail and tell them where to send it. This process (assuming they do it right) will take a few days. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, that's high praise! I might have to put that quote on my userpage. Basic rule is that anyone who wants can comment in any thread, as long as they mind their manners, if that's what you mean. Also, these talkpages are public, and can be read (and written about) by anyone who finds them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be appropriate to feature me maybe within the 'Artists' section of Irish Rap, possibly just before Denise Chaila is mentioned, simply because I am a female rapper who preceded her in terms of releases, live performances and presence on radio, TV, media, etc... My publicity began in 2011. A mention here could be a good lead into an 'Irish female rappers' subsection with an edit to insert Chaila under that section. There is another prevalent rapper who preceded me called Ophelia.
I see many ommissions of actually quite mainstream but maybe 'Old school' rappers such as Rí Rá formerly from Scary Éire, the crew of which DJ Mek was from. I was managed by their manager for a part of my career (Frank Murray). Interestingly Frank managed The Pogues, Shane Mc Gowan & Thin Lizzy. Street Literature (formerly 'Urban Intelligence') are not mentioned either, consisting of Costello, G.I. & For Real, also linked with Lethal Dialect (Paul Alwright)), who, like myself, branched off independently from the 'Working Class' crew ('Working Class Records' is Street Lit's label). They were associated with scratch DJ and producer Moschops.
I used to be with Street Lit but after we supported Wu Tang Clan (Tripod in Dublin in 2011), collaborated with beatmaker G.I. for the production of some of the tracks on my second E.P. 'Big Words' (2013) I decided to be a solo artist. I worked with Moschops and that working relationship is onhoing. I was with a DJ called Barry Krishna (the producer of 'Proletarian Restitution')[2011], until we split, then I had a DJ called Rag Harry, then Inception. Finally, I found DJ FunkTom in 2014, for the release of 'Heart Lose Tempo', my double A side record release(2014). Tomasz Adamczyk is a scratch DJ I met from the Polish Hiphop community in Ireland. We married in 2019.
If I took some time, I could probably edit the Irish Rap Artists section to accurately and incisively reference the points I have made about the other hiphoppers with published articles, media coverage and back them up, but of course I can't touch my claims.
In short, WP-articles are as good as the attention they get. If you see stuff you'd like to improve, like Irish rap or Homelessness in Ireland, go ahead and try. But as a Wikipedian, your task is to summarize (and cite) WP:RS on whatever subject, and that can be hard with topics one feels strongly about. To quote another user, "The most important type of editor is one who, in good faith, wants to improve Wikipedia. You can learn guidelines and policies and how to format citations and so on, but that desire to want to leave something better than you found it is a trait worth having."Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Elayne. Another thing you can do despite your COI is to nominate the article for a "did you know" on the main page of Wikipedia. The rules for this are on a page at this link. Your biography has quite a few interesting snippets which would make good "hooks". Creation of a DYK will drive literally thousands of people to read the article. If you need help making the nomination, then just ask for advice here: I'll be on the lookout: you have a week to make the nomination. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The rules say that the nomination must be within 7 days of creation of a new article. The process itself takes up to a month as it involves various stages. I nominated one of my new articles on 5 August and don't expect it to reach the main page until 5 September at the earliest. Hence there's plenty of time to refine article content. Technically, nominators must be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, which your account won't be until 26-27 August (assuming you have 10 edits by then). Try to develop a "hook" you like and place it in this thread for now so Gråbergs and I can check it looks good. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I have a good hook...
Something I learned from WP YEARS ago (2014...I recall the specific year because I then began anecdotally quoting the following during shows and workshops to celebrate the nature of translation, wordplay and meaning)...
Check out the 'International Use' heading in this WP tooic:
You can imagine I was fascinated when I discovered that one translation of the name of the very drum I play is the same word my artist name is born of 'miscellaneous'... MissElayneous. (Birthname Elayne)*
Please note that I recall the Wikipedia article referring to how the working people who worked the fields used to carry their tools and bits and pieces (miscellany) inside their drums and they used to 'winnow the grain' (or corn?) However, the article no longer seems to contain that information which I recall as it relates to one translation of the word itself.
From my perspective, this is an insanely cool hook because of the coincidental nature of the name aspect, but also, because of how I used to carry all my 'miscellaneous'junk around in my bodhrán in the carry case when I was homeless (I think Grabergs references this in Elayne Harrington from one of the newspaper articles)*
So many lovely layers of depth and meaning.
Subsequently, when I went into Art School, I did a series of self shot Visual Art videos with my drum where I pour dry Cornflakes into it and 'winnow'. And I have since used Cornflakes for durational artworks to date, because of the layers of meaning I derived from all the above. Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I got confused... I must have just read the article (see below + quote)*, but Grabergs doesn't reference it in the Elayne WP page. He does quote many things regarding the bodhrán though, which could be a link in to the hook idea
"Harrington carried all her property in her bodhrán case, slung over her shoulder. "I remember distinctly at one point having a Dylan Thomas collection of poems, a miniature kettle and a hot water bottle in there. I became very resourceful but it was very dangerous and destructive and has had long term implications. It takes years to recover from homelessness - if you ever fully do." Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 11:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fwiw, I put the bit about the bodhrán case in the article: [5].
The DYK-hook is supposed to be something (cited) from the WP-article in question, not necessarily in the exact words of the WP-article. So per current writing, one hook could be Did you know ...
"DYK...that Irish poet Elayne Harrington has been noted for her lèse-majesté with a bodhrán?" Subtly subversive and also underscores the absurdity of that scenario. Nice touch, my man. Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 13:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it is quite interesting; the final proposal you gave for the Did You Know pitch is reminiscent of how the offense was worded on the Garda (Police) statement...(one of the initial charges, which, of course, was subsequently 'torn up'/thrown out):
"Inciting a riot by use of a bodhrán"
I would have to review the original document to get the exact wording on record, but, yeah...similar buzz
Kind of hilarious.
Also I recall a solicitor conveying how the prosecution claimed I was 'making gang signs' when reciting my piece called 'Sugar-Lump' ad verbatim... I was given a copy of the footage that apparently proved this and I had to inform them that what they were observing was normal gesticulation and it's very common for rappers or poets to move their hands.
This link Wikipedia:Did you know/Create new nomination should work the same as the blue button. You have fill in the article, hook and source fields etc. Perhaps comments would be a good idea too.
This is admittedly a bit a advanced for a WP-newbie, but Mike and me thought it would be a fun thing for you to try. Then again, our idea of "fun" might be a bit WP-specific. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång it is a very fun thing for me to try 100% love it. It's like an Fine Art project in of itself. Thanks for collaborating with me and for teaching me.
Sounds fine to me. I hope it will be taken in the spirit intended, for example afaict Ireland doesn't actually have lèse-majesté laws (possibly very much on purpose). If it doesn't fly with the DYK-reviewer, we'll come up with a different hook. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Hi there. Thank you for writing. Yes, I have been in communication with wikipedia regarding the same. I was encouraged to upload to A specific page linked with the account ... I asked for assistance, as I did not. Fully understand where they were referring to the location in which I ought to upload. I have not heard back yet... Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 14:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Hi there. Thank you for writing. Yes, I have been in communication with wikipedia regarding the same. I was encouraged to upload to A specific page linked with the account ... I asked for assistance, as I did not. Fully understand where they were referring to the location in which I ought to upload. I have not heard back yet... Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Elayne. All images are stored on Wikimedia Commons, so they can be used across all language versions of Wikipedia. There is a "wizard" you can use at commons:Special:UploadWizard: just follow the details and license your images with the default CC BY SA 4.0. Your account name on Commons will be the same as here and should automatically get created the first time you use Commons either as reader or uploader. Note that Commons is very strict on copyright and you should initially upload photos you personally took with your own camera until you are familiar with how Commons works (more Help at commons:Help:Contents). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael D. Turnbull My cousin, who is a photographer, took these particular photos from a live gig. She completed the copyright template I received from Wikipedia, and I forwarded it to photosubmission@wikimedia.org.
Since then, I’ve been in contact with two Wikipedia team members to discuss the next steps.
Recently, I created a Flickr account based on the guidance provided to upload the photos for Commons usage.
I’ve encountered some conflicting information and am unsure if the copyright agreement template from Wikipedia should come from me. I included the photographer in the email, but there was no comment from Wikipedia staff regarding whether this was sufficient to cover the process of sharing the photos for potential use on the Elayne Harrington Wikipedia page, so I can only presume it is okay. Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 17:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, so you are several steps ahead! My understanding is that Commons accepts files directly across from Flickr provided that they are licensed on Flickr with a tag acceptable for Commons. Full details at the Commons Help page c:Commons:Flickr_files. Let me know if you run into any problems: I'm watching this Talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The structure on Commons is basically this: We'll create Category:Elayne Harrington. Categorize any pic of you with that. Then we add further categories to that category, but the pics themsleves will just have the you category. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång That's a great idea, G... Let me know what categories you think could be intuitive to the page, etc,...perhaps some fine art stuff, i.e. 'Instrumental'... I will review the page again and give it further consideration. Please do feel free to make any recommendations Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They look fine to me. If this was about the WP-article, I'd object to the feminism one since WP-cats are supposed to be obvious per article text, but I think Commons is a little looser. And if I'm wrong, someone who thinks so can always remove it. I looked in vain for any existing cat for Irish rappers/hip hoppers, you may be the first one there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång sweet understood... I thought the link to the feminism cat might be pertinent and nicely layered because of my mother and her involvement in the National Women's Council, and her union work specific to related issues for women in the workplace, alongside my work, which was often perceived as feminist simply because I am female, although my themes were never explicitly that. I did a lot of feminist gigs and while I personally identify less with feminism culturally, politically, and socially now, the sheer amount of feminism based gigs and events I was involved in probably warrants some sort of crossover there. Let me share with you some things that come to kind... Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 21:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you for starting a new thread, G. Apologies for my to-ing and fro-ing also. I don't know how to edit my comments, and I could probably apply my efforts a bit more in the way of brevity, but, ah sure!
Let it be for now. On editing talkpages, things look different depending on if you edit on a phone or laptop (like me and probably a lot of regulars). I see, near the title of this thread, a link called "edit source" and I can use that if I want to fix spelling errors etc. I think, but don't know, it may depend on app or whatever, that you see 3 dots to the right of the title of this thread, and you can tap that instead. You can also change from mobile view to desktop view (should be a link for that at the bottom of the page) and you will see WP as it looks on laptop. Hope this helps some. Perhaps Help:Mobile access has something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A couple of things you can try if you like. If you go here [12] you can create your own personal sandbox page, for testing and writing/re-writing whatever WP-stuff you like. It's still public (it's just that people are unlikely to ever look at it unless told), and WP-rules about copyright and WP:BLP still apply.
You can also make a WP:USERPAGE if you like. Click the red link in your signature, type something and publish, you can always write more later. This page is basically for writing a little about yourself and what you do/want to do as Wikipedian, but as long as your a reasonable person, the leeway is huge. Many of us also use it as bit of notepad for useful WP-stuff. A few examples, and I'm fairly sure these have all been growing slowly over years:
Elayne: well done for making the nomination. If you think of alternative "hooks" over the next few days before some other editor reviews the first one, it is perfectly acceptable to suggest several. I reviewed a DYK that happened to appear on the main page today: see Talk:Sophie Kropotkin#Did you know nomination. There were six suggestions in all and the one I chose was the one that I, as reviewer, thought was best. Incidentally, one thing you can put on your userpage, if you wish, is a simple WP:wikilink to your biography, so you don't have to repeat general information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael D. Turnbull dude, I saw that one earlier, I found that dyk very, very sharp. loved it. I liked LOTS I peeped from today, actually. they were all quite whimsical, for want of a better word. can you link me to that article you wrote or a DYK u recently had approved, please?... As G was saying, the thread got very full, so I lost your recent link...
As you'll see from my userpage, that's very much my field: organic chemistry, but I'm long retired and now spending too much time on Wikipedia! The hook for the DYK is now on the Talk Page of that article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also added one that's easily sourced. On an unrelated point, Elayne, what genre of rap do you think you fall under? I wanted to add information about you to Irish rap but don't think you fall into any of the categories currently on that page. I know very little about rap but is political hip hop the nearest (see list of hip hop genres)? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Elayne: I don't see a contribution from you about genre anywhere. I'm afraid you'll have to comment again. If you do so on this page, it shouldn't matter whether you are logged in or not, provided you make sure to save/publish (or "Reply" if you are using that method). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Michael. Looking at what Wikipedia lists in terms of genre, the following seem fitting: alternative, experimental, political and/or conscious.
Personally, I consider myself avante-garde (I see this is referred to in the WP hip-hop genres article as 'progressive'... I may certainly fit an 'underground' category as well as possibly 'independent'.
I have, over the years, noticed the use of the term 'anarcho-punk hip-hop', which is supported by this article along with 'punk/post punk':
Elayne: I've added a subsection under the heading "Punk" to the Irish rap article, taking most of the content from your biography and adding the Anarcho-Punk citation from the .pdf. It is great to have an actual source for labels like that, even if I don't understand the term! (I wikilinked it to punk rap). I've also prodded the potential DYK reviewer to point out I added alt2, which I think is soundly based on a source and would be good to go. Now you can have fun updating the rap article for everyone other than yourself. Incidentally, I used to go regularly to Finglas East as my wife had an aunt who lived there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The DYK has now gone forward (currently on page WP:DYKNA) and will go into the prep area and finally onto the main page. You shouldn't have to do anything! On the day it appears, your Talk Page will get a message saying it is live. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael D. Turnbull No way, that's incredible work, Mike! I can't wait to view it later after work. Great... I can add in other big Irish crews like Scary Éire, etc. Sweet. I don't believe ya, really??! Wow... I am amazed. My father was born in Ballygal and raised on Finglas Road, and my mother was born and raised Willow Park Crescent. That is an amazing coincidence. Thank you for sharing. It truly is such a small world. How lovely! 2A02:8084:2565:2180:798B:BABC:2F1C:5681 (talk) 06:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång Hi G - I do not know how to reply to that DYK thread that you asked my thoughts on, so I am replying here. Re. "Comment. While the proposed alt1 is better than the originally proposed hook, it is not ideal (as "followed" implies a sense of wile that isn't in the source - which gives "attended with"). If it were me, I think a hook which focused on the subject's experience with homelessness (and attempts to challenge perceptions of homelessness and destigmatise the issue) would make for a more interesting hook. And is a much more topical issue. In Ireland at least. IMO anyway. Guliolopez (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2024"; I agree with all of that and think the homelessness item is true, clear and apt. Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 02:59, 12 September 2024
In the spirit of 'topical' themes in Ireland, in 2014/15 the discussion of polyamory was possibly the first of its kind in public media. It has remained (unfortunately, in my opinion), the most common issue people (journalists, radio producers and documentary makers) have most consistently asked me to comment or contribute to the conversation on: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/polyamory-people-think-it-s-like-a-swingers-party-1.2094248(UTC), however, this does indicate it is a lifestyle or standing that people find compelling.
I will try think of some more content for hooks, if not some hooks themselves (with your help to word/structure them) now that I am developing more of a sense of the nature of DYK hooks.#
Finglas and other DYK potential/WP page crossovers
I recently wrote to a comment I saw somewhere on the Finglas WP page that asked (paraphrasing because I cannot find the actual comment): "Is Finglas rough/crime-ridden": @Betathetapi454
While Finglas has faced socioeconomic challenges, including issues related to generational poverty, describing it as "crime-ridden" can be misleading. It is important to note that Finglas, like many urban areas, has diverse experiences and characteristics. Media coverage of Finglas has often focused on negative aspects, contributing to a one-dimensional portrayal of the community. However, Finglas has a rich cultural heritage and is home to many notable individuals, artists, and community leaders.
For example, poets Paula Meehan and Rachel Hegarty have connections to Finglas, and Sarah Cunningham Bell's recent sculpture, The Bridge: Fiacha Dhubha Fhionglaise ar Foluain (Finglas Ravens Soar), located in Kildonan Park, was inspired by Hegarty's poem Flight Paths Over Finglas.
Interestingly, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång when writing this reply and mentioning the sculpture in my hometown I came across a clip of an interview with me commenting positively about how (young) people may gather around this new sculpture. I feel this speaks to the notion that Finglas is just a normal community and our young people aren't criminals and delinquents.
Additionally, Finglas has a diverse religious community, including a Baptist Church that plays a role in connecting local faith-based groups. I would like to suggest that the Jamestown Road Baptist Church is included in the Finglas Wikipedia page, along with a link to the two female poets mentioned above and the 2021 sculpture, which I consider an embodiment of the antecedent 'Spirit of Finglas' sculpture:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Spirit_of_Finglas,_Dublin.jpg
It is worth noting how Cunningham Bell was explicitly collaborative with people and organisations of Finglas when she conceived the work and she got in touch with me to be involved in the launch where she invited me to perform alongside others, including Hegarty.
Additionally, I noticed, like Hegarty, I work in the CDETB and am an ACCESS student just as she was a scholarship student...we seem to stand for the same ideals that all poor people should have access to education.
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