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Original works by the FBI and by FL and CA governments are in the public domain. Tags such as the below would suffice for original images uploaded. Everything is scrutinized with a fine-tooth comb, Edd Wesson. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 01:30, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much

I will take great heed to this next time. I have never used Wikipedia before so this is a rather new concept for me; I just felt that the amount of disinformation regarding various serial killers is so rife that it was a practical necessity to contribute and remove inaccuracy where I saw it. Namely, Bill Bonin's father Robert, who had never died of cirrhosis of the liver. That was a lie perpetuated either by Bonin himself, or the media but he was confirmed to have died on Oct. 11, 1980. Luis Garavito's childhood is (well, was until I corrected it) also profusely inaccurate in that the latter half of his "early life" page can be attributed correctly to Pedro López, another serial killer from Colombia. Thanks for telling me this also, as the hard work I put into Garavito's page would likely have been removed on account of the mugshot picture I added. God bless mate.

- Edd

I hope you stay here, Edd. I have been on here since 2008 and see the project as an ongoing one (by us all and for us all). It's an uphill battle, and I focus almost exclusively on true crime on here and seldomly upon the Commons (although scrutiny there is arguably even more intense for copyright reasons). Once you make (I believe) 10 edits, you become autoconfirmed here. It is rewarding to populate the articles and make them a primary source of info.

If you wish to reinsert the text on the López or Bonin articles, if you add bare URLs to reputable sites (not blogs or sites like murderpedia) they can be verified. :) (I reinserted some text regarding Bridge games to the Bonin article with the reference.) Again, hope you stay here. All the best. Kieron.--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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October 2021

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Hello, I'm Sundayclose. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, William Bonin, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 14:07, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Kudos

Have a decent Christmas, Edd Wesson!

Have a pleasant and enjoyable Christmas, Edd. All the best for 2022, too.--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:08, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Likewise to you, Oldham friend! :D Edd Wesson (talk) 01:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. K.D.--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Tireless contributor

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	For your research and ongoing efforts to improve the William Bonin article. :) Kudos and appreciation. Hopefully, in time, the article will become GA.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. There are scant resources to choose from regarding the subject. Edd Wesson (talk) 23:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure there aren't too many, but there should be enough. (Typing in ' freeway killer "newspapers.com/clip" ' to Bing or Google etc. gives a minor trove.) Have a nice Saturday evening. --Kieronoldham (talk) 23:18, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you know the birth year of Bonin's son, Edd Wesson? Thanks. K.--Kieronoldham (talk) 18:52, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

The whole timeline is a bit hazy, to be honest. I wish I could obtain more information on this, and have tried in the past, but to no avail. All I know of the marriage is scarce statements from Bonin and court documents; "My mom pushed that, didn't last long, [...] big mistake" and the Jane Howatt resource. If you are really keen on obtaining information, you could try getting it out of Jane Howatt, who interviewed Susan Bonin herself. --Edd Wesson (talk) 22:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I could attempt to do so. We'll see. Article is looking a lot better than how it used to appear. Thanks.--Kieronoldham (talk) 11:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Kudos again for your contributions to the William Bonin article. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Alpha 4615. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to William Bonin—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. Alpha⁴⁶¹⁵ _{(talk to me)} 04:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again for your contributions, Edd. :)

Stinson attack

Hi, Edd Wesson. The date of the attack upon Bonin in my reference is December 8, 1981. Your text implies it was later. Does your source state it occurred prior to his Orange County trial? Pelto's book is likely more reliable than the True Crime article I have. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 21:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

This is a grand mistake on my part; she had been counseling in the Los Angeles County jail, rather than the Orange County jail. --Edd Wesson (talk) 12:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I was in a bit of a hurry, so I don't know if I elaborated, Kieronoldham, but Bonin was left under the care of his grandfather until the age of ten, and his elementary school peers observed him to be dirty and unwell at around the same period. Because Bonin was six years old when he entered the convent, his little brother had to have been three years old. So the only way for the timeline concerning the neighbors to make sense would be if the neighbor event took place after his time in the convent. This would mean Bonin was nine to eleven years old. Unless we had an >6 year old Bonin and his toddler brother taking meals from nearby neighbors, hahah. I will leave the matter of paragraph placement up to you, however.

Hence why I moved the paragraph. --Edd Wesson (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Even though I have access to a lot of information (printed) regarding Bonin, some online sites - unless "cached" - are inaccessible to me, given my Limey location. The biggest grey areas of info. for me is his childhood, Edd Wesson. As I say, you have greatly improved the article. Maybe the chapter needs restructuring and expanding further. (By the way, if you can find the required citation on a reputable, non-mirror site that'd be great.)--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

If you can check the edits out, I'd be grateful. Thanks --Kieronoldham (talk) 00:24, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

No problem. SFGate; "Bonin's mother admitted that she was sexually abused by her father until she was an adult. Yet she left young Bonin with her father for long periods of time for the first 10 years of his life." Justia3; "Through declarations, petitioner presented evidence that several of his classmates from fifth and sixth grade recalled that he was always dirty ... A neighbor from childhood remembered that petitioner's parents were rarely around and they never spent time with petitioner and his brothers."

And then the Reading Eagle source, which details Bonin's early life in Connecticut: "A neighbor described feeding William and Paul and said, 'They would both eat fast as if they were always hungry.'" Though I concede that the neighbors feeding him may or may not predate his time in the orphanage, I highly doubt that Paul was tagging along with Bonin for free meals from next door. As for his timeline regarding the grandfather, the source speaks for itself. If more sources come to mind, I will be sure to link them. [...] Yes, another source, not regarding timeline but the uncertainty as to whether Edmond Cote had abused Bill: "Bonin's mother, Alice Benton, told a psychiatrist that she suspected her father had begun to sexually assault young William." Judging from reviews I have seen on Rosewood's book, this claim of Bonin's molestation is still speculative although a highly probable possiblity.

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Very well then; I have sought third-party discussion on this issue from the beginning I was made aware that I could. Where did the third disruption notice come from, by the way? It went from one, to three; you have continued to collapse all of my arguments, and even went so far as to erase our discussion on your talk page. This is something you have a long history with, as is evidenced by your talk page history in which you only concede when forced to by your academic editor equals. This is, by no means, a healthy way of discussion. Keep in mind that unlike yourself, I have never had any significant problems regarding edit conflicts with other users. I concede, however, that I should have first referred to the Ted Kaczynski talk page with the issue. Refer here for discussion, which I may not bother to even follow through with anyways. I hope you are in good health.

Kind regards,

--Edd Wesson (talk) 23:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Connecticut or CA?

As a sentence in the William Bonin article currently reads: By the time the family relocated, Bonin's father was admitted to a veterans hospital for various issues pertaining to his health. Does this imply he was in CT and remained there, or was he admitted to a CA veterans' hospital? Or transferred from a CT one to a CA one? Sure you appreciate the confusion here. Thanks, Edd. :)--Kieronoldham (talk) 13:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Shoot! The Munro source reads:

William George Bonin was born January 8th 1947 to a household ran by his mother Alice Bonin, and two brothers. Bonins' father, a veteran of the armed forces, was living in a veterans hospital while his mother and brothers continued to live on the quiet street of Angel Street in Downey, California. William Bonin lived with his mother until he was 8 years old. Then he ran away from home. He got picked up in the state of Connecticut, and was placed in a detention center. After the years had passed, Bonin was removed and was sent home to Downey, California to live with his kid brothers, and his mother. She loved Bill very much, but started to see a lot of changes in her son - which she had to live with for the rest of her life. Little did she know that her son would turn out to be the notorious "Freeway Killer" who took California by surprise until the 1980's had arrived.

I had heard from various podcasts that Bonin's father was a geriatric who mostly resided in a veterans hospital. Although realistically, I couldn't see this happening when he was merely into his 40s now that I think about it. It was definitely after the family had relocated, but before Bonin's arrest in June 1980, however. Thank you for pointing this out; the death of Bonin's father in 1961 was inaccurate enough! Hahah. What about the timeline of Bonin's stay at the detention center, also? According to the William Bonin article, he had too resided there for 3 years, meaning from 1957 to 1960 and was sent to California to reunite with his family from Connecticut. But is this because of confusion with his stay at the orphanage? It would also seem that he had been sent to detention from St. Joseph-Mary's Convent, according to an Los Angeles Times source. Should it be changed accordingly? Let me know what your consensus is on that matter.

--Edd Wesson (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

We are getting there, Edd. Thanks for your diligence and determination. k.--Kieronoldham (talk) 17:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Gotta go off reputable sources, though. It is not my consensus, btw. I have lost count of the times I have been reverted. Best regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Should the timeline of subject's father entering the veterans hospital be pushed forward to 1979? I think this would ensure the safety and security of accuracy in the article. Regardless, it does seem that the mother ran the household in spite of Robert's fiery temperament and conduct. And according to several (SFGate, Los Angeles Times) sources, Bonin was molested at the age of eight when he was sent to the detention center from the St. Joseph-Mary's Convent in Willimantic. Yet, when you look court documents and other sources, he was apparently molested at the age of ten when he was staying at the detention centre. Which is it? The timeline is quite confused.

Kind regards,

--Edd Wesson (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Marquis de Sade NY Times Purported Facts

Hey Edd,

You added the following paragraphs in the Marquis de Sade page with citations to an old ‘88 NY Times articles which seems to be inaccessible online. These are your additions:

“Beginning in 1763, Sade lived mainly in or near Paris. Four months following his marriage on 17 May 1763, Sade was charged with outrage to public morals, blasphemy and profanation of the image of Christ. He was held for two weeks in the prison of Vincennes for these offenses, in which he stomped on a crucifix while shouting blasphemies to a young prostitute he had locked inside a room, before ordering her to whip him with a cat o' nine tails. Because of his sexual infamy, he was put under surveillance by the police, who made detailed reports of his activities. … On 3 April 1768, Easter Sunday, Sade had encountered a 36-year-old German widow named Rose Keller at the Place des Victoires; upon reassuring her that he requires house service, they rode in his carriage to Sade's country residence in Arcueil, where she was subsequently locked up in Sade's bedroom. Threatening Keller at knifepoint, he proceeded to bind and assault the woman over the course of two days. After enduring alleged abuses ranging from whipping, having hot wax poured over her back, and extensive rape, Sade applied ointment to Keller as she cried and unbound her, ordering Keller to clean the bloodstains from her gown as he briefly departed. Through a window, Keller then escaped before informing nearby locals and authorities, prompting Sade's arrest in June. He was briefly incarcerated in the then-prison Château de Saumur, and exiled to his château at Lacoste in 1768 as Keller was bribed to drop charges. … In 1774, Sade partook in orgies at his home in his wife's presence, in which he had trapped five young girls and a young boy for sexual indulgences whom he held captive for six weeks”

This contradicts info that I provided from sources I believe to be more accurate. The addition I provided earlier includes the following: “While Sade mentally explored a wide range of sexual deviations, his known behavior includes "only the beating of a housemaid and an orgy with several prostitutes—behavior significantly departing from the clinical definition of sadism". “

I’m currently thinking I’d prefer to remove your additions from what I know. Though I’d like to see your thoughts. First: Are those claims really in that ‘88 NY Times article? And if so, can we access it or is it publicly accessible? And even if the article makes those negative claims about De Sade, can we be ensured of their accuracy? I know the topic of the man has spurred many inaccurate allegations since his existence to the present day. I want to get the empirical truth as much as possible. Do you have other sources that seem empirically valid that can trump the two sources I provided? I think at least Demanding the Impossible is accessible online.

Thanks much for your attention! PNople (talk) 21:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, of course! They are hopefully available to you in this link and more sources which I hope to procure soon. At the moment, I have not had much time to dedicate to Wikipedia, but I can assure you that there are myriads more sources of evidence in support of my additions. I believe the six captives were not young women and men, but rather, children whom Sade had lured into his castle as well. Thank you for your inspection, I hope to speak further with you soon. :) EDIT: A written academic source covering the Keller rape and torture, as well as the attempted sodomy and accidental poisoning of the prostitutes. I lack the time to change the article, but I hope this suffices your inquiries. EDIT 2: Another source regarding the claims; this one refers to the six captives as young women and men as you suggested.

Kind regards,

--Edd Wesson (talk) 04:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi again Edd. It’s been more than a week since I’ve posted this talk message to you. Though it appears you haven’t signed in since April 20, 2022. I’m not sure when you’ll be back on, so for now I’m going to edit some of your contributions that I believe to be false. However, I’d be very glad to revisit this with you when you log in again and we can check the sources and facts together. PNople (talk) 01:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! Though my concerns are still not met. Please see my reply to you on the De Sade talk page. PNople (talk) 02:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

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William Bonin

Thanks for your edits. Sorry for the slightly abrasive edit summary yesterday; I did not know it was you who had made many of the edits as of late until after I had made it (I thought you had semi-retired from here around June). The article isn't on my watch list at the moment, but I worry the article may be tagged as needing rewriting in areas. Regards, Kieronoldham (talk) 05:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

No, I completely understand. This site has standards that my temperament and diction seems to elude on occasion. No need to apologize. There is much information to be gathered from the subject's biography; I fear that much of this may be redundant and/or irrelevant. I am sure there is content that could use trimming and tidying.

As a side note, there are significant variations with each story that subject tells regarding his past, including stories about a Catholic priest, a local neighbor, his maternal grandfather, and an older boy when he was six years old. Having admitted to Pelto of his lying to victims about his father molesting him to "make them feel bad" and embellishing stories by lying to Pelto about various aspects of his crimes, there must be considerable doubt made when reading the written recollections.

He also claims his father had extensively beaten him in the presence of his mother, who "never stopped him," and that he was raped by multiple men. According to his mother, the children were not beaten in her presence and there is only mention of one man. His older brother states that he took the vast majority of beatings, particularly for defending his mother. His parents and female partners continually support him throughout his incarcerations, in spite of "never having nobody" to help him.

Subject is likewise found to have multiple accomplices in criminal activities as a youth, in spite of being one who "never had no friends."

Kind regards,

Edd Wesson (talk) 03:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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More or less, an internet troll had removed the entire first paragraph detailing subject's birth and other relevant information. I don't need to spend too much time on this. The article is a nightmare anyway.

Kind regards, Edd Wesson (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)