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Hello, Ebbixx, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Basics

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Initial discussion: Audrey Wood (literary agent) (first article)

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Audrey Wood (literary agent) (draft bio @ User:Ebbixx/Sandbox)

Thanks for the feedback/links. Hopefully, once I've grokked the links I will manage to move this where it belongs while editing. Ebbixx (talk) 17:41, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't hurry, let it "incubate" in ur "sandbox", go lil by lil from stub quality class, to start class or higher if u want. Give yourself time. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 18:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. Have moved the relevant draft material to my sandbox and will try to clean up this page, effective this edit. Ebbixx (talk) 18:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}}Still trying to get a handle on the best, and least disruptive process for what I'm trying to do with the Audrey Wood article (Tennessee Williams' agent, not the living children's author whose article at least one reference misdirects to).

Considering her influence on other playwrights, I imagine there are other misdirects as well. What I'd like to know, since it may take time to draft a proper bio, especially when my past contribs have largely been minor line and copy edits, is to get a sense of just how one would clean up the bad link that exists now and could be misleading to anyone not familiar with Woods or her clients. I don't want to create added work for those generous enough to engage in housekeeping, and I seem to be having trouble pinning down how it's done directly.

Also, I don't want to waste time drafting a bio that might be challenged on Notability WP:N, given that Woods was an agent, and I've noticed, for example, in skimming the Bio Project links that at least one movie producer appears to face a notability challenge. While significant enough to have a theater named for her (at least briefly, I'm not seeing records of productions there after it was initially dedicated in her name, shortly before her death) I can understand she may be on the fringes of who qualifies for a durable article. Still, I was aware of her, and unaware of the living author who shares her name when I came here to look for biographical details, which is where this exercise began. Ebbixx (talk) 18:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Change the link to a red link to whatever you think the appropriate title is. For example, [[Audrey Wood (theatrical agent)]]. (Refer to Wikipedia:Article titles if necessary). Of course, explain why in the edit summary (ie "wrong person"). And then one day, you - or another editor - might write the article. See also Wikipedia:Red link. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  19:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, but, if you don't think she'd be notable (in her own right), then probably best is to just create Audrey Wood (theatrical agent) (or whatever) as a redirect to Tennessee Williams - and make sure there is at least some mention of her in that article.  Chzz  ►  19:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Red-linked the Tennessee Williams and other links that were misdirected. Just got a copy of her 1981 memoir and hoping to explore this in depth. Whether a bio comes out of it or not, it actually seems like a possible subject for a stage play or screenplay! We'll see. Since she was referred to as "literary agent" in one of those links, I'll be going with that for now. Perhaps someone will have a better idea before an actual page is created?

Related question which I guess I can resolve empirically, are these changes sufficient to enable someone to find the links to her, Audrey Wood (literary agent), and prevent mistaken references and searches leading to the author, Audrey Wood? I guess I can figure that out by searching, correct? Cheers and many thanks for getting me started. Ebbixx (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you go to the toolbox on the Audrey Wood page, there should be a "what links here" button; that'll show any inappropriate links. Would you like me to search LexisNexis for sources for you, or have you got that aspect covered? Ironholds (talk) 20:49, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Ironholds - Thanks for the hint. I'd already found the "what links here" button, in fact; it's how I tracked down the existing references I've red-linked so far. I've found most of the obvious online sources already. There's an existing bio in the American Theater Wing[1] site, for instance.

And I just got a copy of her 1981 memoir in the mail, which should help confirm more info than belongs in the eventual bio, so I think I have a good start, certainly on most of the standard sources, and my interest comes from various mentions in Williams' bios and other stories of her degree of engagement with the other noted writers she represented.

Hopefully, including adequate references to those anecdotes, connections, and her role in their professional and even personal lives should demonstrate sufficiently a clearcut case for Notability WP:N, unless I've misread things?

I'm somewhat hoping that I can pull together a sufficiently adequate draft fairly soon, and find the proper way to open it up to editing and development fairly soon, but I probably have a lot more reading left to do before I'll start to feel comfortable with the etiquette and how to constructively recruit/invite those who may have more extensive knowledge and insight on primary sources than I have.

I'll try to get this right and review what I need to learn from templates and the other guidelines, style sheets and so on. Fairly sure I have enough to get started now, as long as there's no pressing need to create the disambiguation link that I expect will eventually be necessary. Thank you. Ebbixx (talk) 02:46, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Audrey Wood served as a literary and theatrical agent to the American playwrights Tennessee Williams, William Inge, Robert Anderson and Arthur Kopit, among others." And there are links to Audrey Wood (literary agent). It seems notable enough for me. The title seems good enough to me too, there is always the option move on the top if second thoughts come up. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 01:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My niggling concern on the title comes from her own memoir where she first describes herself as both literary and theatrical agent. But my sense is that literary critics and historians have more interest in her personal and practical interactions with these writers than they necessarily have with the business details related to her role in seeing their plays produced. This may be a bias for me, though, given how I first read about her, and it might be well to have some open discussion with those interested in the writers she's likely to at some point spawn links to, before locking the descriptor in stone?
As I responded to Ironhold, that's an area I'm still feeling my way on, where connecting to those likely to add to or have editorial insights on the development of a polished article are concerned. As always, guidance is welcome, though I think I'm on my way to finding much of this out as I dig into the links that cover process, conventions and best practices. I don't feel nearly as confused as I did even a few hours ago, when I took the plunge to explore how to start this article. Thanks for the input so far!

Ebbixx (talk) 02:46, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A biography is a biography, don't worry with the "networking" for the descriptor, and nothing is carved in stone on Wikipedia. It's a dynamic superencyclopaedia (many encyclopaedias in different languages interlinked together), updating now and then, with hyperlinks, interwikis and high resolution images. Wikipedia is ten years old, Wiki markup accepts second enter as paragraph, hypertext markup language (HTML) needs <p> . Don't use <p> here. Wiki accepts programs/template {{Template title}}, HTML commands <command name>, hyperlinks [http://www.] and wikilinks [[page title]].
If it interests u. The Wiki editor coverts ur edition to HTML. Your browser converts HTML (using hypertext markup protocoll http://) to that u see on your display. Adding HTML commands to your text could make a mess. Most people here are not used to raw HTML commands. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 04:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing out the "double enter" thing. Missing that insight was the only reason I'd started adding the <p>s in the first place. Since most of my editing in the past had been minor line edits, paragraph breaks were not something I'd had to deal with. <blush> — Ebbixx (talk) 10:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
YW --Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Finishing Audrey Wood

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I came across this article while working on the page for Eulalie Spence (Wood assisted her in a play she was writing.)[2] I am interested in finishing your Audrey Wood page. It seems that you have a done a pretty good job, and the article would useful in the main area.[[D-free]] (talk) 18:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ [3], Audrey Wood's brief bio.
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