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Sincerely, Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)   (Leave me a message)

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Cool user name

HI User:Dyḗwsuh₃nus This is regarding this revert (Vedic Sanskrit revert) the references in the text are unreachable. If you could produce credible references then it would help us get more knowledge on the subject.

Hi! Just here to tell you I like your user name . What does "h₁suh₁stōd" mean? "good ...?"

Happy editing! --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi ἀνυπόδητος, nice to hear from you, thanks for the kind words. Lovely picture on your page. I'm still to add real content on to my page, just put the first thing that came to mind - meaning to say "let it be well", as you know, in PIE. Happy editing to you too! Best wishes, Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 22:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

That's nice :-) Thanks for your good wishes, too! --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 07:46, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Just curious, who reconstructs ⟨h₃⟩? Usually I see it as undecided suHn-. –Austronesier (talk) 12:18, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

@Austronesier: Valid question indeed! Wiktionary says it can be either h₁ or h₃ quoting Nomina im indogermanischen Lexikon. I have never been fond of using upper case H to denote any laryngeal, I'd've preferred something like hₓ or h₀. I feel H sticks out in the middle of the word, it's a bit ugly. And between h₁ and h₃ I figured h₃ makes it look more important. So ultimately, it was a marketing decision really Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 00:08, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Marketing needs attention; you got mine, so the strategy worked LOL. Another thing: do you know the {{sfn}}- and {{cite}}-templates? I suggest using them as much as you can, since they create a link to the Reference entry (as long as it is made with a citation template). There are not many references, so the attentive reader will know them soon if they dig deeper in the articles, but the link created by the {{sfn}}-templates is very convenient, because it creates a preview in PC- and Mobile views, so a casual reader does not have to scroll down. You can check Indo-European migrations to see how it works, since that page makes heavy use of citation templates. –Austronesier (talk) 12:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, @Austronesier:. I have known these templates. Whenever I've looked to add a new book to the citation/bibliography list, I've found different pages having different ways of doing so, many of them simply bulleting them rather than using the {{cite}} template. I've in most cases stuck to what was already there for consistency. Re {{sfn}} I've used {{ref}} rather more, and I once again looked up now and can't see much difference between the two tags (except sfn forces you to mention the year!). I've also found {{efn}} very useful. And in general, I've come to like the 'Notes, References, Bibliography' setup handy as you'll see for example in Sanskrit nouns or Sanskrit verbs. - Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 13:33, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

BTW, @Austronesier:, the other day when you said

(@‎Dyḗwsuh₃nus: please use page numbers and the sfn-template; dyḗws knows we might bring this article back to GA status)

I take it in the second bit ("dyḗws knows"), you meant deus gnovit.

(At first I thought you were just shortening Dyḗwsuh₃nus!) But yes, it would be good to get it back to GA status, will discuss it sometime. --Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 16:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

The IE pun was just irresistable :) –Austronesier (talk) 17:26, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Sanskrit nominals

Please see WP:CUTANDPASTE. This is simply not allowed on Wikipedia.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Onel5969:. But please restore the Sanskrit nominals page. It cannot be Sanskrit nouns. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Dyḗwsuh₃nus, hi. I would, but I'm not sure exactly what you want. Could you be more specific? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Onel5969: This must be a misunderstanding. AFAICS, this was not a WP:CUTANDPASTE move, but a merger of two overspecialized pages into one more general page. Dyḗwsuh₃nus's edit summary was not fully correct, but the standard procedure to fix this would be to add the standard attribution phrase, unless of course you have substantial objections to the merger. As of now, the content of Sanskrit pronouns and determiners has vanished. Please restore that page, or ideally the merged page. If needed, I can add my support for the merger somewhere in the concerned talk pages. –Austronesier (talk) 09:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Austronesier, no need for that. Was not sure what was going on. To me it looked like they had taken a portion of Sanskrit Nouns and created a new article, Sanskrit Nominals by cutting and pasting. Lacking attribution, I did not know of the other page, Sanskrit pronouns and determiners, which apparently had also been cut and paste to the new article. Since you know more about this subject, which you mind recreating the Nominals page, in order to ensure that the attribution is correct? I think it should mention both of the other pages, but am not sure. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I thought I had included the relevant and necessary details when I created the new page. I'm happy to fix the missing attribution requirements rather than Austronesier having to go through it all once again - I will try and understand what sort of additional attribution is required to proceed, but any pointers welcome. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 12:15, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

You did provide attribution when you created the Nominals page, however, that's not quite enough. That would still fall under WP:CUTANDPASTE. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't want you or Austronesier to think I am unwilling to do the changes, I simply don't want to get it wrong. I've requested that the Nominals page be deleted, so that we can move the Nouns page to that title, after which we can merge the Sanskrit pronouns and determiners page into it as well. I think that's the outcome you both were thinking of, and it saves attribution. Please ping me if this is not the outcome you both want. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Onel5969: I think I get the picture. For the first 19 minutes of its existence, it indeed was a copypaste move. Another idea: after the field is cleared, we re-create the stuff at one time with the stock phrase "merged from X and Y, see histories of those pages for attribution", that'll be safe I guess. No need to hat the new talk page, as there's nothing on the talk pages of the source talk pages except for WP Project templates. –Austronesier (talk) 16:45, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

This was my first merge and I do wish I'd done it fully in the way expected, but I do have a vague recollection of following the steps in Wikipedia:Merging, in particular, where it said "At minimum, this means adding words "Merged content to/from page" to edit summaries." The How to merge section in it clearly says "Copy all or some of the content from the source page(s) and paste the content in an appropriate location at the destination page." Yes including the bold copy and paste. At the very least I ensured step 1 and 2 from the how-to.

At this point, as long as we end up with an article named Sanskrit nominals with all the content as of 2 days ago there shouldn't be an issue. The page has grown with more content since my merger (attempt), so if things go back to where the Sanskrit nouns page and Sanskrit pronouns and determiners page last were, that'll be a loss of a fair amount of work I'm afraid. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 17:27, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Onel5969:, just noticed you asked to be pinged. My response just above. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 18:49, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Okay the page has been properly moved, you can now merge Sanskrit pronouns and determiners. Again, I would do it, but I don't want to mess it up. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Onel5969:, unfortunately this doesn't seem to be correct, several bits of content added to the article have now gone missing, for example 'tā and tva-suffix derivatives' under the 'Secondary derivatives' section. Please can we make sure that we do not have such content loss, which represents a fair amount of work. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Dyḗwsuh₃nus, this is what I feared if I made the attempt. Contact the admin that deleted the page, and ask them to recreate it in your userspace, then you can have the info available to you to re-add. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I have some notes, I'll see what I can manage in the first instance. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 17:14, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Re Sanskrit pronouns and determiners @Onel5969: I indicated on its talk page that the admin can proceed with a similar operation to that page. Do you know if anything else needs to be done? Or were you suggesting above, when you said I could merge the Sanskrit pronouns and determiners that I could now copy-paste text across? Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Dyḗwsuh₃nus, hi. Yes, now you can copypaste, and provide the correct attribution in the edit summary. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hello. I am contacting you because of a discussion about etymology on another website, Final Fantasy Fandom. That wiki gives a definition of etymology followed by a link to Wikipedia etymology page (their page here), and then features 2700 etymologies (list here), almost all of them being similar to these three:

• Etymology of absolute zero: Absolute zero is the coldest possible temperature. More formally, it is the temperature at which entropy reaches its minimum value.
• Etymology of fire: Fire is the rapid oxidation of a material in the exothermic chemical process of combustion, releasing heat, light, and various reaction products.
• Etymology of Shiva: Shiva (also spelled Śiva) is a Hindu god. The Hindu Shiva once saved the world by consuming poison, giving him blue skin around the area of the neck and throat. [etc. etc.]

Are these three examples etymologies, or not? Since you are an active member of Wikipedia Linguistics Project and Wikipedia Etymology Task Force, your opinion could solve the discussion (if you prefer to avoid any involvement, just write it, I will understand). Thank you in advance for your time and attention. --Abacos (talk) 11:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not Dyḗwsuh₃nus, just a random weirdo stalking his talk page, but I'm also a member of WP:LING and WP:ETY :)

Those are not etymologies, but definitions. Etymology is documenting the history of a word by looking at how it's sounds, meaning, and use change over time. In regards to your wiki, it looks like those pages are just the word's definitions. I looked around more in the Etymology category, and I think something like this might be a better example of how you should approach this in the Final Fantasy Fandom wiki. This is good too. JungleEntity (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Late reply, but I'd say that these definitions qualify as etymologies in a different sense .... in fictional works sometimes people want to know where a name comes from. e.g. if a flower named Lullabud shows up in a video game, its etymology is (presumably) from a portmanteau of English lullaby and bud. But sometimes etymologies are transparent. If a flower called Trap Flower shows up in a video game, it would be fair to say that it's etymology is from the English phrase "trap flower" even if it seems like a trivial statement to make. Once in a while, a seemingly transparent etymology may have a hidden meaning. I dont know any examples offhand, but Im sure hundreds to thousands of fictional characters have been named after the creator's children or other family members, and this could be covered under the concept of etymology on a fan site as well. —Soap— 09:34, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

You make a good point, however I would only consider those "etymologies" in the context of another language or a hypothetical world where those things aren't common. Still, in the case of the Final Fantasy Fandom wiki, I would consider those to be definitions rather than etymologies, as they don't even try to present the history of the word. Also in this Final Fantasy context, I'm pretty sure the meaning of the words linked are the exact same in the game, if they are even said. Your Trap Flower example is valid, but only because it is a unique(ish?) term that shows up in the game, probably referring to a specific game item. If Final Fantasy had some big sword or a guy named "Absolute Zero", a transparent etymology would help (and I would hope they would include the ACTUAL etymology as well), but if the game only says "his temperature has reached absolute zero!" then a etymology wouldn't be needed. Of the examples given above, I stand by that they are purely definitions, and not etymologies in any sense, except maybe Shiva :P JungleEntity (talk) 23:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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