User talk:Dwbro1/GOUSA

There is much material being released on "Modern" Freemasonry and the ties the GOUSA has to this form in America. Much is coming from the return of the documents from Russia captured via the Nazis from Europe in World War II. I am extremely new at working in Wikipedia and have a long way to go to figure out the proper formatting and referencing that is required. Please be patient.

I hope you don't mind, but I have taken the liberty of correcting a few obvious errors... for example, the Moderns vs. Antients schism did not end in America due to the 1813 merger, the merger ended it in England. In the US the schism was for the most part made irrelevant by the creation of independant State Grand Lodges... some of which continued the Moderns' traditions, some of which continued the Ancients' traditions and some (like NY) being a blending of the two. Blueboar (talk) 21:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Blueboar, I don't mind at all. I am very skeptical though since this is such a hot topic with mainstream Freemasons and many will stop at nothing to skew the information. All I want is the truth to be told with no slant like Fox News. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwbro1 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Just as a note, most "mainstreamers" don't care, and it's this need for GOUSA to show itself as being subject to active opposition to UGLE-branch Freemasonry (which it isn't) to show its relevancy that caused problems with the previous articles. Fundamentally, being unable to sit together in lodge does not preclude civil discussion outside of it. As an editor and a Mason, I think you have a right to do whatever you want in your own jurisdiction. However, there is going to be a serious POV problem here if this "UGLE is trying to wipe us out" attitude isn't moved past. I've seen statements by PGM Slifko on various research lists, and none of this supposed animosity (outside of recognition) ever made itself known on either side, or from any other branch of Masonry either. An assumption is not going to be the basis of the need for this article, nor is soapboxing; WP is not for PR. MSJapan (talk) 04:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

My interest in this draft article is certainly not to skew infomation... In fact, my interest is exactly the opposite. I am a historian (admittedly at an amature level, but a historian never the less). I want history to be accurately presented, whether we are talking Masonic history or something else. Blueboar (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Establishing notability

One of the things that this article will need to do before it can be moved out of user space (and into article space) is to establish GOUSA's notablity. The notability guideline for organizations (WP:ORG), says that, to be considered notable, the organization has to be mentioned by reliable third party sources that are independant of the subject. In other words, you need to cite someone else that has discussed GOUSA (and with more than just a passing reference). Good luck. Blueboar (talk) 01:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI

I have added GOUSA to the General list of masonic Grand Lodges article... not sure why they were not on it. Blueboar (talk) 13:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)