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Discussing plans for "Katherine Hayles" page

Kyueun, your suggestions for editing the page look very good. I think you could add your sentence on "virtuality" ("In this regard, the posthuman subject under the condition of virtuality is an "amalgam, a collection of heterogeneous components, a material-informational entity whose boundaries undergo continuous construction and reconstruction"" (Hayles, 3)) to the page. From what I understand about Hayles' text, I think that sentence should go under the "embodiment and materiality" section, since it's describing the composition/boundaries of the posthuman body. What do you think? That sentence would fit well right after "Meanwhile, popular conceptions of the cybernetic posthuman imagine the body as merely a container for information and code."

I also agree that a sentence clarifying the difference between body/embodiment would be useful. Your quote, "In contrast to the body, embodiment is contextual, enmeshed within the specifics of place, time, physiology, and culture, which together compose enactment" (196), would go well at the very end of that paragraph. You could introduce the quote by saying something like: "Hayles traces the differences between "body" and "embodiment" in scientific discourse and science fiction. Here, she argues that "in contrast to the body, embodiment is contextual, enmeshed within the specifics of place, time, physiology, and culture, which together compose enactment" (196). Or something like that. What do you think?

I'm thinking of adding a few sentences about embodiment, mainly to clarify the distinction that you start to make. These sentences would go right after yours. What do you think about this addition: "Hayles specifically examines how various science fiction novels portray a shift in the conception of information, particularly in the dialectics of presence/absence toward pattern/randomness. In chapter 10 of her book, she diagrams these shifts to show how ideas about abstraction and information actually have a "local habitation" and are "embodied" within the narratives. Although ideas about "information" taken out of context creates abstractions about the human "body", reading science fiction situates these same ideas in "embodied" narrative."

Let me know what you think about all of this. Also I'm going to copy/paste this message on your talk page, which I don't fully understand but I think we are supposed to be communicating on there!

If you think it's okay, we should go ahead and make changes to the page!

-Filipa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gofilipa (talk • contribs) 20:45, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Filipa, I'm finally here! I agree with your suggestion in the "virtuality" part and thank you for your clarification. I also thought that the quoted sentence would fit nicely in the "embodiment and materiality" section, but was not sure if I needed to continue the discussion of "the posthuman" as in the "human and posthuman" section. It would work well right after the sentence you quoted.

I am happy that you also agree on the need for clarification between the body and embodiment in Hayles's text. I like the sentence you wrote, and I think I can add the sentence with just one change. I will use "the concept of the body" instead of "body," to be consistent with Hayles's use of the term and to emphasize the construction of the concept of the body. So, we can add:

Hayles traces the differences between the concept of "the body" and "embodiment" in scientific discourse and science fiction. Here, she argues that "in contrast to the body, embodiment is contextual, enmeshed within the specifics of place, time, physiology, and culture, which together compose enactment." (Hayles 196)

I like your addition as it adds a more specific discussion. One question here is if you need to clarify the name of chapter 10 or not. What do you think? One minor comment is: changing creates -> create and moving the comma before "reading science fiction" into the quotation mark (?)

Let me know if you have ideas on how we can actually start editing!

Dreamykyu (talk) 23:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BOLD you should Be Bold! Jump in and start editing. --Theredproject (talk) 04:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the comment, I've just jumped in to the ocean of Wikipedia and done my first editing (wow! it feels amazing!). Instead of separating two sentences that I suggested, I added them at the end of the paragraph on "embodiment and materiality." As the last sentence of the paragraph ended not clearly explaning the material-informational relation in Hayles's conception of the posthuman subject, I think it would work better there (like a concluding remark of the previous sentences) Then I condensed my ideas and added a single sentence starting to differentiate embodiment from the body. Filipa, if you add your more detailed descriptions regarding embodiment after mine, it would be good! (Plus, a minor edit: to change "P"osthuman into "p"osthuman in the sentence on "human and posthuman." Dreamykyu (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will post our diff to the Theredproject talk page! Dreamykyu (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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