User talk:DowntonAbbeyFan

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Again, welcome! Mark Miller (talk) 18:23, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Baronet?

If Violet actually refers to her mother as a "Baronet" then it is possible this is a mistake in the writing. Baronetess is more rare than Baronet. As uncommon as that is today, it is possible that erred is the script and that should have been Baronetess. I can not seem to find a surname of "Baronet". Trying to go by the sound heard has been an issue at Wikipedia in so many debates. In such an obscure mention, I'd just not bother to be honest.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your sandbox

Here is the page you can use to make test edits, prepare articles and create other content that is not published to Wikipedia yet: User:DowntonAbbeyFan/Sandbox. It is next to the "Talk" link in the upper right of the page where it says "Sandbox".--Mark Miller (talk) 01:59, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now, if you need multiple sandboxes to prepare other things at once use: [[User:DowntonAbbeyFan/name of page]]. Each time you create a "user" page with a different "Name of page" as demonstrated, you will create that page work on at your own pace.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A story about a fan editor

Give me a minute.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, here is the story about an editor named User:Amadscientist who came to Wikipedia when he became interested in the television series Rome.

Many years ago, back in the archaic days when guidelines were not as strict or adhered to as well...editors were allowed to write a great deal of content that was un-sourced even in non fiction areas. Many film and television articles were written from an in-universe perspective, as if the characters were real. The issue still persists but many of the articles are now being dealt with. While I was a interested in the TV show Rome, it was really The Rocky Horror Picture Show that I was a real "fan" of, long term. I spent countless days and nights debating the article, the plot, the details of the production, the actors, previous stage productions, the marketing and even the posters in a vein attempt to place my own POV as a fan into the article. I stayed up until 4:00am many, many days debating an editor who, to their credit, tried to get a number of points across. It took time but eventually we got to a point where we could live with the version. Later, I came back and raised it to a GA rating that only held for a short time. It took walking away for a while and spending a good deal of time studying the guidelines and policies that I was able to begin to understand Wikipedia. But it took others who came to help me even though we were originally in a dispute. There are people here that will not do that but there are also new editors that would easily have walked away because they didn't understand the basics and just gotten frustrated. You seem to be able to catch on quickly and it looks to be a real pattern of a newbie (trust me, newbies that catch on fast can be held with suspicion because they seem to get some things to quickly) who is seeing what to do and doing so, but still confused about some of the other issues that face new editors.

Moral of the story...don't waste years. Your contributions and suggestions can be refined by others just by asking as you did. I'll get back to you tomorrow.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:27, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tree

The tree in your sandbox: User:DowntonAbbeyFan/Sandbox compared to the Template:Downton Abbey family tree created for the main Downton Abbey article plot summary and placed on the talk page of that article for discussion long before it was placed on the article itself are very different. As a new editor some of the changes you made are simple errors of choice that make it harder for your version. First, you altered the already existing formatting using a specific wiki mark-up.

Formatting should never be changed without a discussion. What exists prior to ones edit in the basic set up of the wiki mark up should be discussed before it is changed because, such changes can have a very major effect and crosses the line between an encouraged "bold edit" and a reckless edit. This is a guideline not a policy or a bright line rule like edit warring and going across the WP:3RR rule. In other words, it is not proper protocol, but isn't a violation unless you resist the consensus that allowed its placement. Consensus is how everything is decided. It is not a straight up vote. On Wikipedia, responding to official polls is called a vote (link is just an essay, a collection of various editor opinion on a guideline, policy etc.). Consensus is what all involved editors can live with, within the basic framework provided over years of discussion by the community. A local consensus of editors can never override the consensus of the wider editing community. These basic guidelines and the more stricter policies, bright line rules as well as the terms of service are the standards to which all editors are held. Administrators decide if intervention is needed in behavioral disputes and have tools to block editors and in some cases (through different processes) site ban editors that cannot conform to the standards of "behavior". There are a number of boards that exist to deal strictly with the content disputes with moderators and discussion.

That was long explanation about one objection to be clear what was being objected to and why. The rest is less complicated to explain.

How far back to go and have encyclopedic value as a summary of the primary work (the TV series) is based on the relevance to the story. Obviously there is a first Earl since we have a numbered system (its basic math that can be assumed) that counts the present Earl of the storyline as the 7th Earl of Grantham. For this template we need only concern ourselves with what the plot covers and should not go outside those boundaries. For this reason we go only as far back as is relevant to the plot. That is Matthew Crawly's connection as the next heir after Patrick Crawley is assumed dead on the RMS Titanic. There is no mention of the beginning of the peerage.

Honoraries (unofficial titles) would not be used when official titles are and there is no reasoning to do so, It could cause confusion with official titles from paid or elected political positions such as Rose's husband who is a judge. His title would not be substituted for anything else for a second son's, secondary title. The proper title in this manner would be "lord" or "Lady" for the sons and daughters of titled, hereditary heirs.

When no title exists, use no honorary such as Mr. or Mrs. just the full names. Generally the full names are to be as they appeared at death with mention of the name they were born with.

Patrick Crawley, 6th Earl of Grantham is not mentioned in any episode in any manner. It is only being mentioned in print by the author as backstory, fill and possible set up to his prequel. It is "canon" of a nature that only few would know and a viewer could not by simply watching the episodes. The source should not be used to make a claim of fact, this is not actual. Per WP:CRYSTALBALL, there is no way to know that this will be true if it is ever depicted. Right now, it is not.
Marigold can be assumed to have a legal last name and it has the consensus to be Crawley from past discussion. While consensus has changed, there is not basis for the change.

I currently believe that all dates should be left off as treating canon storyline too seriously against guidelines and is past the simple intent to illustrate the family connections of the story line, to a debate of the authors intent. If it is the authors intent it will have more mention. At least Marigold's name can easily be assumed because she used a birth certificate and these legal documents have a manner in which they are made. In some instances, a father's name can't be entered unless there is a marriage, but yes, children in these cases would carry the name of the mother if not married and she would have needed a marriage certificate to demonstrate she was married to name name anyone else. Besides this, Edith states she had the document made just in case. In case she had to claim the baby as her own. I feel confident than any such document, to prove parentage to Mrs. Gregson in such a manner as to have her yell that it was a lie, meant she was looking at Marigold's name with another name attached that showed Edith was her mother. That was the "lie" Mrs. Drewe wanted to believe. Besides all that...we know from the viewers standpoint, not the in-universe reality, that she is indeed a part of the Crawley Family. Edith will likely marry and Marigold will retain her surname unless adopted by the new father.

That's about it. I'm off to bed. I'll be back tomorrow sometime.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:25, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine - it's only Early here, so I'll probably be on tomorrow. DowntonAbbeyFan (talk) 07:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I should mention that I am not an administrator but was very active with content disputes on the WP:DRN. That is a good place to go if you have a long dispute that, after a good amount of discussion, you can go to ask for volunteer meditation between parties involved.

Dennis Brown is an administrator. You can tell by looking at the bottom of their page where it will state that they belong to a category of Administrators. Some will also say so with a disclaimer on the userpage.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, thank you. I'll remember him. --DowntonAbbeyFan (talk) 22:31, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He's one of the best actually. very fair minded and very patient.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:23, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, we should get along perfectly then! DowntonAbbeyFan (talk) 15:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A few edits needs to be made to this tree - Lady Bagshaw from the film is the daughter of the brother of the 5th Earl; her husband was "David Bagshaw, Baron Bagshaw"; she had an affair with a man called Jack Smith and had Lucy. Mary and Henry's daughter is called Caroline. --DowntonAbbeyFan (talk) 11:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem on Anne Boleyn

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Jane Seymour

Hilary Mantel's 3rd book, referenced in the article on Jane Seymour, has now been published. It is referenced as forthcoming in the article. Rlabraham (talk) 00:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I... have absolutely no idea as to what any of that means. Can you please explain it in dumb-dumb terms so I can understand because I read both pages and now my head is spinning in confusion? DowntonAbbeyFan (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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It is in an article. It is a reference provided for a claim in the article. DowntonAbbeyFan (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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