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Traffic circles as wrong-way concurrencies

FYI, I removed your little essay on this topic from Concurrency (road). Please don't take this personally. The problem is that Wikipedia is not for publication of original thought (see WP:NOT and WP:OR). --Orlady (talk) 00:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

gaza edit

i agree that the notes are not needed, but we should not be having such notes within the article naming a user. i am replacing with 'notes removed by consensus', cool? Nableezy (talk) 17:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

thats why i like my job, 4 monitors 1 can always be on wiki with the other 3 real work. but then again, i havent really been doing that much at work since i started getting into this. hmm, i wonder if my priorities are messed up :) Nableezy (talk) 22:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

looks like it is back to the notes, i aint reverting, too close to 3rr, but yall should work it out or bring it up in talk. Nableezy (talk) 20:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

you should stay away from words like vandalism, this isnt vandalism. I left him a note as well, but I think the two of you should talk it out instead of going back and forth with the reverts. I have already said I dont think the notes are needed, and I really am not one to pontificate on civility and not edit-warring, but I think this case can be worked out quite quickly and painlessly if we just talk about it. Peace, Nableezy (talk) 23:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

belligerents in Gaza conflict

Hi Dovid, Tundrabuggy suggested I ask you why you made the change from the list of armed groups fighting to say Gaza (principally Hamas). I already know the answer to that, but if you could explain it to him here you might be able to answer some questions. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 06:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Otheruses templates

Has the idea behind Template:OtherusesSubtopic, Template:OtherusesAlias and Template:OtherusesSubtopicAlias been discussed somewhere? It seems to fall outside what hatnotes are usually used for, and the potential number of new hatnotes for systematic usage of these templates would be huge.

If X redirects to Y then {{Redirect}} can be used on Y. If X is mentioned on Y but has its own article or disambiguation page then I think a Wikipedia search of X will list X as the first result, and most users probably click enter or Go and go directly to X. By the way, my website has a page at http://users.cybercity.dk/~dsl522332/math/meaning.htm which may interest you. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

No discussion, just seemed useful. Certainly in the case of OtherusesAlias is a reasonable alternative to Otheruses1...Otheruses8, all of which assume that the linked article's title is self-explanatory in the context of the hatnote.

CPAP-respiratory is what led me to create the other two. There is no CPAP-respiratory article, just a section in PAP, but most people hitting the PPA article are apparently looking up CPAP. Hence, there was a hatnote about CPAP. But for someone who was looking for more generalized PAP info, or who were unaware of the abbreviation, the CPAP ref in the hatnote was puzzling, because "wtf is CPAP?" -- the CPAP section is way further down, and the abbreviation is only much mentioned later. I had to decide whether to "fix" the hatnote manually, or create an alternate hatnote template, or to increase the functionality of an existing hatnote template.Dovid (talk) 03:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Such hatnotes are unnecessary, per WP:NAMB. I've nominated this template for deletion: you're welcome to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Daylight saving time

I followed up in Talk:Daylight saving time #Old-time "unequal" hours. Are you watching that page? If so, I won't bother you further here. Eubulides (talk) 00:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Orthodox Union

Hi, Dovid! I looked at the diffs, and almost exactly the same material appears on both versions (I can see I gave a quick definition of "davening" and of "Kashrut"); on the previous version it appears further down on the screen, but the material survived pretty much intact. I think the weirdness occurs if extra blank lines are deleted, though I can't say for sure. I have seen this happen before, but I can't remember which article. If you have some knowledge of the subject matter I would appreciate letting me know of any mistakes I made in interpreting the data. Regards --Diannaa (talk) 22:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Hatzalah

Dovid, Since you were involved with editing the Hatzalah article I'd like to draw your attention to two discussion that I've opened on the talk page. One, regarding external links and region information and the other regarding using the list of chapters instead of a list in the article. Thank you, Joe407 (talk) 05:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Owning

I don't really care about that page so much and I don't want to get into an editor war, but it is you who acts like they own the page. You come every so often with an axe to grind, and remove the content. The consensus you speak of is not really there. It is only you and Afoprof who have removed the content in the past year, and more editors who have restored the content, so please refrain from hyporbole that there is a long-standing consensus. You can't assume good faith, and I can't of your actions either. Jeff3000 (talk) 20:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

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Glass-Steagall and the UK and Europe -- cleanup?

Thanks for your suggestion. I think when I expanded the article in 2011 I probably tried to do too much with that section and it's gotten worse. I'll try to clean it up and also update it. Much more has happened. Thanks again for taking the time to contact me. EAFAAT (talk) 22:21, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Glass Steagall disambig category removal?

I found the Category "Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation" twice time in Glass–Steagall (disambiguation), and I'm only remove the duplicate Category. --Zaher ^(talk) 20:50, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Homewrecker

I have reverted your additions to Homewrecker again. The existing page is not an article but a disambiguation page listing the multiple articles that already exist on Wikipedia with the title Homewrecker. If you wish to create a new article please do so. I suggest a title like Homewrecker (person). Regards. Tassedethe (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Your reversion violates WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If you wish to discuss, go ahead, but don't revert again without prior talk page discussion. Note carefully the set of pages involved: There is a Homewrecker (disambiguation) that you have not touched, while Homewrecker is a primary topic. I would also like to point out the overwhelming thinness of the set of disambig links; they would be better served by a pair of list pages than by a DAB, or a pair of category pages. However, I kept things simple by including those references in the main article, seeing that the whole result is digestible at a glance.

TL;DR my edits match WP policy, your reverts don't; if you disagree, the proper place to voice that is the talk page. There are also better ways to deal with all those songs. Dovid (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your notice. Indeed, the target page existed, as a redirect to the source page from which the content was switched. The content was just DAB content, I don't think there's any legality in that, at least in the US, where the courts have ruled that indexes and other compilations of informations cannot be copyrighted. However, I'm not against using the move request mechanism, but there is a consesnus-building activity on the move rightnow, s I will wait for that to complete. Dovid (talk) 13:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Homewrecker

Songs that go to #2 on a major chart are usually considered notable. Also, reviews of the song are usually the kind of material that make for a notable song article. Just sayin'. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you're taking issue with. DId I claim non-notability for something that is notable? Please elucidate. 14:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you did. Reviews of a song are usually an indication of notability, as is "making her the first female artist to send her first four singles into the country Top Ten since Deana Carter did so between 1996 and 1997." Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:51, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Is this something to do with the Gretchen WIlson song, Homewrecker? I don't recall making comments about her song or its notability. Please provide a link to the edit you are referring to, or at least a page link and quote. Otherwise, I'm drawing a blank. Dovid (talk) 19:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, wasn't realizing that you had no recollection of editing the article. Anyway, I'm talking about this edit, where you put a {{notability}} tag on it. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks, got it. I vaguely recall that now. I think I looked at a bunch of reviews, and they were of the one-paragraph, "new release" type without any critical content, but if you've found something else, sure, of course. Dovid (talk) 18:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Your edits and talk page archives

Hello, thanks for your edits to Tow truck. It would be helpful if you could cite sources for the text you added. I've hopefully fixed the auto-archiving code on your talk page; hope you don't mind. Graham87 08:24, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Graham87 03:19, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Influenza A Segment 7 Splice Site

Please reconsider your decision on the Influenza A Segment 7 Splice Site entry. This entry is to be linked to Rfam as a new RNA family. Every Rfam entry has a corresponding wikipage. This article describes a novel influenza RNA family and is in-line with other influenza Rfam/Wikipedia pages: e.g. Influenza virus pseudoknot. This addition (for Influenza A Segment 7 Splice Site), once linked to Rfam, will be valuable to both Rfam and Wikipedia. Once approved, I will also edit the main influenza article to link to this and the other influenza RNA families, to integrate it into the larger body of knowledge on influenza. Walternmoss (Walternmoss|talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walternmoss (talk • contribs) 18:38, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Roger J. Cheng

Hello Dovid. You rejected my piece on Roger J. Cheng citing it needed reilable sources? The sources used are published encycopedias and scientific journals. I am not sure how those are not reliable? Don74.70.103.68 (talk) 22:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Responded at User talk:74.70.103.68 Dovid (talk) 04:35, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Influenza A Segment 7 Splice Site

Sorry for the previous note in the wrong spot (I'm not very experienced with wikipedia). Let me re-iterate that this entry is to be linked to Rfam as a new RNA family entry. There is a partnership between Rfam and Wikipedia to have short wiki entries for every family of RNAs in the database. There are hundreds of wiki articles on various RNAs. For more on the collaboration between Rfam and wikipedia see here: RNA journal submits articles to Wikipedia. I wrote this entry to be understandable to college undergrads (and up) and expect it to be useful to students and researchers. I've made made special pains to link to other wiki articles that explain the basic science behind the described work. As for "notability", this page describes an RNA family that been reported in three peer-reviewed journal articles (cited in the page). If you are still having problems with this entry, maybe you could check with the people at the Wikipedia:WikiProject RNA for additional information?

Walternmoss (Walternmoss|talk)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walternmoss (talk • contribs) 21:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC) 

I understand. I've opened a discussion about this sort of thing at the reviewer's discussion page. Basically, if I understand you correctly, you need a special case for articles notable because of their implied association with a project or a scientific database or a unique association with the Wikipedia project. Those are not explicitly covered in the notability guidelines, so I'm trying to see if there's a way it can be shoehorned in, or perhaps I've missed something, or perhaps we need a policy change. I'll keep you posted. A few further side notes to help you get more comfortable on Wiki: 1) Signing comments: whenever you put something on a talk/discussion page like this one or the one for an article, you should sign it by typing four tildes (~~~~). Otherwise, you get what you see above, which is the bot noticing that you did this and attempting to correct it by pulling article history, finding that it is your edit, and signing for you, which is awkward. 2) Signature format Your default signature has an error. It has [[User|Waltermoss]], which means "link to page 'User', but display the link as 'Waltermoss' instead." (The alias is what follows the bar in a wiki link.) So when I click your name, I get the wrong page, on a wiki article named User. I think you were just trying to rmeove the link from your signature to your un-created user page. In that case, your signature should be: Waltermoss ([[User talk:Walternmoss|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Walternmoss|contribs]]). You canmake this change in your preferences. Dovid (talk) 17:39, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience and your work on this. Also, thank you very much for your instructions! Sorry for being such a "noob". Walternmoss (talk) 18:06, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Classification Tree Method

Hi, I'm a little bit puzzled about the invalid ISBNs. All references with such also list a DOI link. If you follow that, you'll reach IEEE, Springer, ACM and other reknown scientific journals listing the articles and supply the given ISBN Numbers. Can you indicate, which reference's ISBNs are are missing/problematic? Kind Regards OMPwiki (talk) 18:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

responded at your talk page as per below. If you resubmit the AfC for review, and notify me, I will approve it right away. Per the note below, please consider just merging the CTE content into CTM, but make sure it doesn't get WP:UNDUE WEIGHT in the merged article. CTM should be primarily about CTM independent of CTE, but there can still be a substantial CTE section within it. Here's the note:

I was able to check the referenced symposia articles. It was a little hard to put some of them together with the subject, and one of the ISBN's is wrong (duplicate of the another). It is also difficult to tell whether these sources should be considered independent, as all of them see to be developers and promoters of the methodology, not "qualified bystanders" who are discussing it. Nevertheless, 'll give it a "pass" and approve it. You will probably have more difficulty with the editor. Even though it is in common use for CTM practitioners, it isn't really separately notable. I suggest just merging its content in.

- Dovid (talk) 19:48, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the confusion. I did two things:

* Added external references for the Method from Testing Books by different authors (that is, authors independent from the development of the method)

* Reviewed that duplicate ISBN thing to realize that - it is indeed correct, the two references with different article topics/titels are from the same book, a conference proceedings.

For the suggested merger CTM/CTE, I'll give the CTE article a second try with more external/independent references. If that again fails, I'll follow your advice as given above on merging.

→ AfC is again on review - OMPwiki (talk) 05:40, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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Peter Smith Photographer

HI and thanks for your comments.

I had made number of improvements and deleted a lot of information about the gallery etc. The awards section is verifiable on the web and I had listed them as well as a public comment on the quality of the Australian awards. Are you able to give some guidance on how I could improve this. I thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by F2cphotography (talk • contribs) 03:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

@F2cphotography: I'm a different reviewer than the last one. You did include a link that states that the APAA's are among the toughest awards, but that link is to a blog post. We need something a little better than that. It is a sort of third-hand notability -- blog claims APAA's are notable, APAA is awarded to Smith, so Smith is notable. But the blog isn't a very reliable source of info (anyone can write anything on a blog), and that's only to establish third-hand, for a single shot at notability. If there were lots of blog posts, and there were many forms of notability, that might wash.

I would focus more on Better Photography, or on both. You can probably show that Better Photography is a respected magazine, and the fact that they publish an article by Peter gives some notability, especially if that article is cited in books, other journals, or on the blogs of established experts.

Notability is very subjective, so it is hard to give you perfect rules, I'm just pointing out the issues, and what you can do to improve them. Perhaps another reviewer would find things fine as is, or might actually say that the improvements I suggest don't go far enough. Don't get discouraged. If you think Smith is notable, you have a reason, and all you need to do is find significance to others who think the same.

Don't forget to do some copyedits to make the whole article tone fit better, to, please. Good luck! Dovid (talk) 04:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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AfC: Dele Jegede

Hi Dovid, I noticed your AfC decline of the article for Dele Jegede here and I was hoping I respectfully might ask you to take a second look. The article was first uploaded as a PDF by user Bolekaja, and it had some glaring problems, which I noted via cleanup tags. I converted the PDF to a bare-bones article, but since then I think some of the issues have been smoothed out, and (while Bolekaja may have jumped the gun, submitting the article prematurely for evaluation when we still need to reformat some references, etc.), I think it is in significantly better shape than a lot of stubs, and I think that the subject Jegede is notable for a number of reasons, especially for the numerous times he is used as a resource for other articles. Anyhow, I'm just asking that you give it a second pass. If it's not ready, it's not ready, and I can understand that, and you'll still be a friend to me! :D Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, @Cyphoidbomb: for WP:BLP, the rules are pretty strict. There must be inline references for any material that might be reasonably contested, and it is really preferable to overcite throughout the article. That's the main problem I had with the article. In addition, the "multiple prolems" template was already there, and mostly matches AfC policies for articles to be declined. For example, the resume comment, while not exact, seemed apprpriate. The article is not relaly resume style, but is clearly promotional. It needs some balance. You might also want to read WP:ACADEMIC. Do you think the criteria for notability are met? If so, please point them out. While technically, an AfC reviewer is supposed to approve the subject if it is notable despite that notability not being demonstrated in the article, in practicem reviewers can't really be expected to hunt down notability. Make the case for notability in the article, accordingto either standard WP:NOTABILITY or according to ACADEMIC. And remember, I'm unlikely to be the next reviewer, so make it dead obvious to whoevere might review it next that these problems have been fixed. FYI, if you think the article no longer deserves some of the "multiple problems" tagging, don't be shy about editing the template references. Dovid (talk) 05:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Glass-Steagall

I finally made the edit to the Glass-Steagall article you requested. Sorry for the long delay. I'm sure you thought I'd forgotten about it.

Along with creating a sub-article on Glass-Steagall in financial reform proposals, I added summary descriptions of that and of the sub-article on “aftermath of repeal.” A problem with summaries is people seem to edit the summaries without changing the sub-articles that are summarized. I suppose if we eliminated the summaries and just had links to the sub-articles, people would do the same by editing the article’s introduction.

I retained your linking of the “aftermath” sub-article even though I added a summary. You may want to replace the links with a list of the headings as in the other sections that contain summaries. I thought your sub-articles approach worked very well. I see a few things in the text I’ll try correct. The only somewhat significant thing is I’ll try explain why one could consider Sections 20 and 32 “the most important” part of Glass-Steagall.

After I made the change I saw your talk page request that changes not be made without discussion. I think (hope) my change is consistent with what you intended. Sorry if it isn't. In any case, sorry I didn't stick with your approach of using a colon for the sub-articles. I had it that way but made a change for a reason I can't remember. You're definitely right editors are making changes that are inconsistent with limiting the article to the four sections of the '33 Banking Act. EAFAAT (talk) 23:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

@EAFAAT: Good work! And no worries about the talk page -- it was only about title format, and I lost that battle, more or less. If you really want to prevent editors from expanding the summaries of the sub-articles, we can turn them into templates. Most editors have no idea how to work on templates, and those that do know about them will leave them alone, understanding that they've been templated to prevent damage. Dovid (talk) 23:30, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I felt terrible when I saw your talk page post after making the edit. I can't complain about other people not reading those pages. I like your idea about creating templates to protect the summaries. There is so much inaccurate stuff circulating about Glass-Steagall, and people seem to love putting those things into "convenient" spots in an article even when the rest of the article shows they are false. Again, I like very much what you did to the article. I knew it was ridiculously long when I wrote it, but I figured it was more important to give an accurate account of Glass-Steagall's history. You've made it more manageable. When I get a chance I'll make the minor corrections to the other sub-articles and try spell out better the significance of the affiliation provisions.EAFAAT (talk) 00:11, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Mary Young Cheney Greeley

It is I who should be thanking you for the article rework. It reads much better now. On my second pass through the article, though, I have noticed she was still referred to as Mary Cheney Young in the infobox, so I fixed that. Vycl1994 (talk) 15:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

@Vycl1994: To be honest, I'm conflicted about the full name. It seems she was primarily known as simply Mary Greeley.Dovid (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Nameless Heroes (Band)

Dear Dovid: Is there a hold up with this article, or has it been forgotten? —Anne Delong (talk) 01:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: I was trying to figure out if they really had charted hits when other priorities (including sleep) came up. At this point, I'm not sure if I can really get back to this one. Dovid (talk) 02:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have several time fallen asleep in the middle of reviewing an article. It's hard to remember your thought process when you wake up the next morning. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I guess I should unmark it as in review? Would you be willing to take it over instead, in case I have raised false hope with the start of my review? Dovid (talk) 03:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Source For Your Added Info on the Young Israel Movement Page?

Do you have one? If not it ought to be removed.

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Your recent editing history at NEMA connector shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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@De728631: I'm actually trying to stop an edit war from occurring. Here is what I did:

1. Undid an unexplained content removal
2. When the content was removed again, put a notice on the talk page, requesting that ww avoid edit-warring, and explaining in detail why I am editing this particular text back in
3. Used the long-established practice of retaining the pre-existing version until consensus is built
4. Made sure any other edits I made to the article were not to the disputed content

Please also note that there is a connected discussion going on at AC power plugs and sockets, and that one of the editors has already violated 3RR. I generally prefer delaying ANI or ANE, because that often puts the other editor's back to the wall and prevents compromise. Sso I'm leaving that alone for now, and hoping the contentious editor is willing to sit at the table.

If you still believe that I've followed the wrong course, please let me know how, and offer concrete suggestions about how to handle such situations in the future. Dovid (talk) 19:53, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Dovid, as I am not involved in the dispute which you appear to be engaged in I thought that I might offer some observations. The origins seem to lie in a discussion which took place at Talk:AC power plugs and sockets. Following a consensus there, Mautby added an obsolete devices section to NEMA connector with the edit comment Added obsolete Devices section, this involved moving one image of a non-NEMA receptacle (with refined text and a working link to replace the existing non-working link) from NEMA 10 to the new section, and the addition of three other obsolete NEMA precursors to the new section. Following a couple of minor improvements to that edit by two other editors you chose to reinstate the image and text which had been moved, reverting to the non-working link, with the edit description Restore unnecessarily removed deletion (sourced). It could have MOVED to the obsolete section, but it was instead removed. While not directly on topic, it compares to on-topic info. Had you looked at the diff you would have seen that the image and improved text had been inserted in the new section! It would, perhaps, have been helpful if Mautby had also referenced the discussion in the edit description, but the fact that two other editors were adding refinements should have alerted you to observe that the addition was not unwelcome.

Mautby's subsequent reversion of your edit had the description Undid revision 582161617 by Dovid (talk)No need for this information to appear twice, it IS shown under obsolete devices! You then reverted that with the description: Reverted to revision 582162289 by Dovid (talk): Restores established material that was removed without consensus., again ignoring the fact that the material had not been removed, and that you were reinstating the non-working link in the reference.

You then, with no edit comment at all, deleted the Obsolete Devices section, does that not constitute edit warring?

I think if you look carefully at Mautby's edits you will find that 3RR has not actually been breached.

In addition to all of this, another editor has noted at Talk:AC power plugs and sockets that "I find it interesting that Dovid is arguing that the connector text and image which Mautby moved from the section on NEMA 10 (which it is not) should be replaced there, and also that it should be removed completely (I would like to see any non-NEMA connectors, including the Aussie and Hubbel, removed.) This is very inconsistent, as is the insistence that a broken link should be used rather than a working one." How can you argue for both inclusion and removal?

I suggest that you thoroughly examine your own behaviour and the accuracy of your edits before accusing others of being contentious. JohnJuliusFeinstein (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

@JohnJuliusFeinstein: Are you related to either the senator or the family of rabbis?

Your input is valuable, but I'm not so sure about some of it. I have examined my own behavior, and I'm not 100% proud -- if I had analyzed the situation earlier, I would have seen where it was headed, and delayed my edits -- all in good faith by the way -- until some discussion could get going. I'm not sure why you think there was no 3RR, he made three reverts within 24 hours, and they don't meet the exceptions. I've steped out of eidting these articles for a bit, and enlisted some other editors to actually build a consensus.

Note that I didn't delete obsolete devices in response to Mautby. It was part of an organic set of changes -- when I saw the info had been moved further down, I examined the section, and much of the material seemed out of place. I looked for other articles with similar material, found the more general AC plugs one with its obsolete section, and decided to move the non-NEMA material there. Then I realized it would work better if all of the obsolete types were together, so I moved the remaining two entries at the same time, and added a {{main}} type reference to it. Reasonable, I think, but in the ocntext of the othe rthings that went on, easy to misinterpret, which I regret. Dovid (talk) 17:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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GoCardless

Hi @Dovid, thanks for your comments on the GoCardless article for creation. I've added a history section and some additional press - can you take another look, or should I wait until it comes around for review again? (It's my first new article on Wikipedia - forgive the noob questions!) Greysteilb (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

@Greysteilb: You have definitely improved the notability. The tone still needs work. Think like a non-investor, someone outside the industry, who gets interested in the topic. What information are they looking to see about players in the "newfangled financials" sector? Yes, they may want to know about corporate goings-on like renamings, investors in the company, funding, and all that. But that's probably the less interesting part for them. They want to know what you guys do, why you do it, what makes it different, how similar/dissimilar it is to competing payments systems, who uses you, who you think might want to use you. Build a narrative, a story. Then make it a little dry, put a summary of these dry facts up front, break up that interesting narrative into useful chunks, but weave the chunks together in that interesting story, i.e., have there be a flow from chunk to chunk. I'm not saying that's the only way or even best way to write an article for Wikipedia, but it's how I've tried to do it -- it keeps it fact-oriented, but with a comprehensible story from beginning to end, and I think that's what an encyclopedia article should be. Make sure not to get too bogged down in minutiae, keep it readable. I hope that helps.Dovid (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

@Dovid: Thanks - I've re-written the "Service" section to try to give a better impression of what GoCardless does, and I'll keep the advice on building a narrative in mind for my next article. I'd also like to change the headline for the article, but I'm wary of making it read like an advert so have left the info on funding there for now (with a bit less detail). Really appreciate your time helping me get up to speed.

@Dovid: Took my eye off this for a couple of months (broke my hand so typing fell off my list of extra-curricular activities). It looks like the GoCardless page I created has been completely deleted - did you or someone else decide to decline it? Don't think I got any notification - would love to finish it if the old content is findable and just needs suggested changes implementing. Greysteilb (talk) 22:34, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

@Greysteilb: 'twasn't me. Pages in "test space" that are abandoned for a while are subject to deletion. You might be able to go to one of the amdin boards and ask to have it restored. Usually, I think deleted pages still exist in a dank, ugly part of Wikipedia that admins can access. Dovid (talk) 06:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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@Ashley Pomeroy: I haven't been on Twistlock in quite some time, I don't know why you're suddenly trying to catch my attention for a talk page post from long ago. Also, I hope it was unintentional, but your message comes across as very arrogant. "Staggeringly unhlepful," "formulate it in English" - those are fairly insulting phrases.

Allow me to reword your entry:

"Hi there. Your talk page response in twistlock was terse, and I had difficulty understanding it. Perhaps, with your expertise, you could answer with some more detail and make the operation of the device clearer. I know it was a year ago, but the question is still open."

No assumptions, no vitriol, much better. Dovid (talk) 04:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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The "includeonly" trick

I've just edited Glass–Steagall legislation to allow the section "Post-financial crisis reform debate" to be able to be edited in the usual way. It's the first time I've see this {{: trick, and I'm not impressed, although I can see from your comment back in 28 October 2013‎ why you thought it might help. No other articles seem to need this. Snori (talk) 18:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Snori: I would like to keep things peaceful. ALl efforts to improve content are good efforts. fighting But your note was demeaning and combative, and not in the spirit of WikiPedia. A debate over the merits of the partial transclusion technique would be fine. So would a discussion over whether the content should be trimmed or not, rather than making a unilateral decision to remove the content. Are you taking stewardship for keeping content of the two articles in sync? Dovid (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I've no intention of picking a fight, it was simply that both I and the other editor who commented in "Talk" couldn't see what 'magic' was happening. In 10 years here, and with thousands of edits I've never seen this before - to me that makes it a "trick". (I have now read your three year old "Transcluded discussion" section in the Talk page, but I would not have known what that meant had I seen it earlier).

I like to see articles that are clear and readable, and in my opinion this cluster or article in this area is not a good example. Having said that, It sounds like it's been much worse in the past, and you're on the side of good ; while I'm not interested, or knowledgable enough, to take this much further - so feel free to edit and/or revert my contribs as you see fit. Snori (talk) 07:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hey, I have yet to get a response to my request for you to be added, so they probably haven't got to it. Hope this helps, and sorry for being so bad about responding, been quite inactive. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:38, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

November 2017

Please do not add or change content, as you did at United States Seventh Fleet, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:14, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Chris troutman: I understand your concern. I thought I did get a reliable source, but must have slipped the edit. I would like to remind you however that WP:NOCITE does not recommend removing the material. There are better ways of handling content sourcing issues. Dovid (talk) 18:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I understand your point. NOCITE is a guideline. WP:V which says "Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." is a policy. I'm in the habit of reverting anything without an inline cite. I'm honestly not trying to be BITEy, so I apologize if it came off that way. I have to consider marginal utility costs in my editing. I seldom look for sources myself although I will on occasion. The citation you just added is fine and I have no problem with it. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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