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Tech News: 2022-27

19:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #21

13:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Bad edit

@Alexis Jazz:, could you please undo this edit? This person doesn't seem to understand what this list is for, as those women all have Wikidata items. --Donald Trung (talk) 21:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Um, why are you asking me instead of doing it yourself or asking on the talk page? I'm not really familiar with the list. All I know is that Wikidata has a considerably lower bar for notability. The bot is going to revert them anyway in a week or so. Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Alexis Jazz, alright. I can't do it myself because I had an emoji in my signature years ago.
Anyhow, I forgot to mention that for a week or so I've been seeing double, that is I see "Start a new topic" twice and now there are two text balloons next to your name. Excuse me for not reporting this bug earlier. -- Donald Trung (talk) 22:51, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Oh right, edit restrictions. Well I'd prefer the IP getting angry with a bot rather than me for reverting them and I see limited harm in a project page temporarily listing slightly people. Especially if the IP would be right about the lack of notability which I don't intend to research.
Seeing double? How very odd! Is this always, on every page? Which skin? Mobile site? Do both icons work? Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
This is what I see.

@Alexis Jazz:, this is what I see, I will take desktop screenshots later as I'm kind of busy right now. --Donald Trung (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, this is what I see. Do you also have this bug? --Donald Trung (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I fully understand why you'd want to stay out of this, didn't realise that a bot will undo the vandalism later. I actually see vandalism quite regularly that I'm not allowed remove and at the Meta-Wiki I've actually seen some "subtle vandalism" on a page for years that has gone unreverted simply because nobody does it. I imagine that you probably see vandalism at the Wikimedia Commons all the time that you're not reverting and copyright violations that you're not nominating for deletion. At this point I should probably just stop giving a fuck, especially if me undoing vandalism is considered to be "more disruptive" than the vandalism itself.

Which is also why I completely understand how you feel about the Wikimedia Commons, after a certain point the drama isn't worth the effort if you can be investing your time into more worthwhile things like tools that can improve users' editing experience. It's a shame that you don't work together with Wikimedia Deutschland to improve the tools. --Donald Trung (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

WMDE never asked me. Not sure if I should ask WMDE or what we could do for each other. I actually asked for people to volunteer for co-maintainer at User talk:Alexis Jazz/Bawl#BCL and some potentially bad news, a call that hasn't been answered yet.
Sometimes I run into copyvios through my work here, they generally end up on m:User talk:Alexis Jazz#Copyvios to decorate my talk page so I get them out of my system", a solution that isn't likely to work for your case.
I don't have the double stuff. I notice on one of the screenshots that the speech balloons are far too small, I saw this on one of my (old) phones with an outdated browser but the same phone displayed several other elements too small. IIRC the issue was limited to the Vector skin. Monobook or Timeless (or both) worked fine. I suspect that's an issue with the phone, browser, skin CSS or MediaWiki itself but it affects Bawl quite a bit. Having no developer tools on that phone, there's not much I can seemingly do about it. And since that browser was outdated I didn't bother to report it as a bug on Phabricator.
I see on the screenshots that the duplicate icons don't appear consistently. Do you also have replies on the same page that are missing icons? They may actually be misplaced instead of duplicate. An error report (kitty) could maybe help here. This doesn't explain the duplicate new section icon or duplicate "Start a new section" at the bottom.
What browser/device are you using? Could you try a different browser to see if it makes a difference? Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Alexis Jazz, I'm currently using the Ecosia browser and using a Google Pixel 4a. The Ecosia browser is essentially just a fork of Chromium and the device I'm using is a relatively new one. I will try to see if I have these issues on other devices and in other Wikimedia websites as I've only checked Wikipedia and the WC. -- Donald Trung (talk) 17:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
IIRC the section edit links in Vector classic were also too small on my old phone. There happen to be no section edit links visible in your screenshots. Are the section edit links (or any other elements) disproportionally small for you? If they are, can you take a screenshot of that, preferably in a private window without Bawl? With that I could file a Phabricator task for that issue. Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
I was rather confused initially, while some elements could be misplaced or duplicated due to some oversight the "new section" in the toolbar is really only added once. There just can't be two. And you can't run the script twice, it has a check for that. But as it turns out, you do load the script twice: once from User:Donald Trung/common.js and once from m:User:Donald Trung/global.js. And the check for double loading in Bawl was flawed: if loaded twice in quick succession the check could be passed again, which is what happened for you. This should no longer happen.
The icon size issue is unrelated, but I suspect that's not a Bawl bug. Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Alexis Jazz, Weirdly enough it's solved now, did you update the software or was it a MediaWiki issue all along? -- Donald Trung (talk) 05:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
The icon size? I didn't fix that. I doubt loading Bawl twice caused that, but maybe? Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 05:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Alexis Jazz, I have no issues with the icon size, I can re-size my screen. I just don't see double anymore. That was my main issue. -- Donald Trung (talk) 05:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
That I fixed. The check if Bawl is already loaded is more reliable now. You might want to remove the line from User:Donald Trung/common.js anyway (that would have also solved your problem) as it's redundant to the one in your global.js.
The speech balloons on File:Start a new section brawl bug on "Desktop" mode (12 July 2022) 02.png are smaller than they should be. They should be about line height. But I suspect that's also true for some other elements like possibly the section edit links. If you could confirm that with a screenshot I could file a Phabricator task. Or if every other element on the page is the normal size, maybe it would be an issue with Bawl. Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 06:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
How they appear for me now.

Well, on mobile this has always been the size, using "Desktop mode" on mobile is something that the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) always discourages, so I assume that "it's a feature and not a bug". As I'm convinced that some developers just try to sabotage Wikimedia websites for mobile devices on the presumption that all mobile users are vandals / "LTA" (whatever that means). I'd actually try to advise you to just use nothing but a mobile device for a week and see all the common issues we run into, sometimes I use my wife's laptop and the experiences are like night and day. My friends in real life also complain when I send them mobile Wikipedia links on Skype or Discord.

"Officially" the mobile site is supposed to be more "Consumer-oriented" while the desktop site is more "Prosumer-oriented", but the mobile site hides so much it's basically only designed to read and nothing more. Sure there are beta features that improve it, but overal the mobile site is specifically designed to hide talk pages, hide categories, hide the ability to edit full pages, basically hide anything that could make someone productive. I'm convinced that the WMF and the Stews just want to keep mobile editors away from these websites. Most updates also make the mobile editing experience worse, not better. And you're not allowed to complain about it. Wait no, that only applies to me. --Donald Trung (talk) 06:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz:, Forgot to ping you. --Donald Trung (talk) 06:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Well if (non-Bawl) section edit links or any other elements are also undersized for you it's a bug, probably an oversight in the CSS for Vector that only triggers on Chromium-family browsers on devices with a high pixel density. But unless I can confirm you experience the same issue I did on that outdated phone browser I can't file a Phab task. Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 06:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2022-28

This Month in GLAM: June 2022





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  • Albania report: CEE Spring 2022 in Albania and Kosovo
  • Argentina report: In the middle of new projects
  • Australia report: A celebration, a commitment, an edit-a-thon: Know My Name returns for 2022
  • Belgium report: Heritage and Wikimedian in Residence
  • Brazil report: FIRST WikiCon Brazil & Three States of GLAM
  • Croatia report: Network(ing) effect(s)
  • France report: French open content report promotion
  • Italy report: Opening and closing projects in June
  • Kosovo report: Edit-a-thon with Kino Lumbardhi; DokuTech; CEE Spring 2022 in Albania and Kosovo
  • New Zealand report: West Coast Wikipedian at Large and Auckland Museum updates
  • Poland report: Wikipedian in residence in the National Museum in Cracow; The next online meeting within the cycle of monthly editing GLAM meetings; Steps to communicate GLAM partnerships better and involve the Wikimedian community
  • Sweden report: 100 000 memories from the Nordic Museum; Report from the Swedish National Archives
  • Switzerland report: Diversity in GLAM Program
  • UK report: Featured images and cultural diversity
  • USA report: Fifty Women Sculptors; Juneteenth Edit-a-thon; Juneteenth Photobooths 2022; Wiknic June 2022; New York Botanical Garden June 2022; LGBT Pride Month
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Wikidata weekly summary #528

Tech News: 2022-28

19:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 7

Movement Strategy and Governance News
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Welcome to the 7th issue of Movement Strategy and Governance News! The newsletter distributes relevant news and events about the implementation of Wikimedia's Movement Strategy recommendations, other relevant topics regarding Movement governance, as well as different projects and activities supported by the Movement Strategy and Governance (MSG) team of the Wikimedia Foundation.

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  • Movement sustainability: Wikimedia Foundation's annual sustainability report has been published. (continue reading)
  • Improving user experience: recent improvements on the desktop interface for Wikimedia projects. (continue reading)
  • Safety and inclusion: updates on the revision process of the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines. (continue reading)
  • Equity in decisionmaking: reports from Hubs pilots conversations, recent progress from the Movement Charter Drafting Committee, and a new white paper for futures of participation in the Wikimedia movement. (continue reading)
  • Stakeholders coordination: launch of a helpdesk for Affiliates and volunteer communities working on content partnership. (continue reading)
  • Leadership development: updates on leadership projects by Wikimedia movement organizers in Brazil and Cape Verde. (continue reading)
  • Internal knowledge management: launch of a new portal for technical documentation and community resources. (continue reading)
  • Innovate in free knowledge: high-quality audiovisual resources for scientific experiments and a new toolkit to record oral transcripts. (continue reading)
  • Evaluate, iterate, and adapt: results from the Equity Landscape project pilot (continue reading)
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RamzyM (WMF) 01:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2022-29

Wikidata weekly summary #529