User talk:DocWaterbear

February 2023

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Yuchitown (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Hello Yuchitown,

Thank you for your comments! I have re-visited my edits, citaing relaible sources and replacing some of the original author's comments with more reliable sources. I have also reviewed the COI guidelines, as you suggested. I took note that the only requirement is to "disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." I have nothing of this nature to disclose.

Here is a list of my edits, with their justifications:

1. Changed:

“The Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania (LNPA) is one of more than a dozen cultural heritage organizations of individuals who identify as descendants of the Lenape people, also known as Lenni-Lenape or Delaware people, based in Pennsylvania.”

To:

The Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania (LNPA) is a tribal community of Lenape people, also known as Lenni-Lenape or Delaware people[1], based in Pennsylvania.[2]

Justification: the original entry cited a .com. My revision cites an .edu, which is more reliable.

2. Changed:

unrecognized organization

To

unrecognized tribe

Justification: the original author says “unrecognized organization” but links to the wiki page “unrecognized tribe.” The author specifically changed the word used, which does not match the page to which she/he linked. This change rectifies that.

3. Changed:

The Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania is an unrecognized organization. Despite having the word nation in its name, the organization is neither a federally recognized tribe nor a state-recognized tribe.

To

The Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania is currently an unrecognized tribe,[1] meaning it is not a federally recognized tribe[2] or a state-recognized tribe.[3][4] Pennsylvania has no federally recognized or state-recognized tribes.[4]

Justification: Besides being more concise and readable, the original wording suggested a contradiction between the word “nation” and the status of recognition. No such contradiction exists. This wording more appropriately defines “unrecognized.”

4. Deleted:

Bill "Whippoorwill" Thompson founded the group in 1998 as the Eastern Lenape Nation.[1]

Justification: This contradicts information stated below, which states that the LNPA formed a non-profit in 1996. An organization can not form a non-profit two years before it exists. Blatant inconsistency.

5. Changed

Council member, chief of education, and storykeeper

To

Chief of Education and Tribal Storykeeper

Justification: original author was not accurate to the source she/he cited. The source he/she cited reports exactly my revision, not the original author’s wording.

6. Replaced:

Journalist Samantha Spengler wrote: "Whether or not Lenape people continued to live covertly in Pennsylvania, it’s undisputed that there was no continuous tribal entity in the region." There are three federally recognized Lenape tribes in the United States and two in Canada.

With:

Reverend Dr. John Norwood of the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape Tribe in New Jersey describes the manner in which some Lenape people remained in their indigenous homeland, despite their lack of government recognition, noting that ““tribal communities of the colonial period that remained in the east often had no contact with the military or federal authorities and were not enumerated in the manner their western cousins were.” K. David Harrison writes: “some Lenape stayed behind, hid, blended in, intermarried, or assimilated. Remaining in the traditional homeland of the Delaware Valley, their descendants also claim Lenape bloodlines.”

Justification: Original author cited a secondary source which, in turn, cited an unrecognized tribe. I cited a primary source which has been published by an author from a state recognized tribe and a book by a Ph.D published by National Geographic. The original author’s source is a journalist; my sources are PhDs. I have offered the more reliable sources and cited those sources, which contradict the original author’s less reputable source.

Thank you for maintaining this page and taking time to assure the authenticity of the information! I trust you will agree that I have made the cite more trustworthy by adding more reputable published sources and citing those sources. If you have any further concerns, I look forward to hearing from you. DocWaterbear (talk) 01:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page of the article is a place created for discussion about the article. Yuchitown (talk) 15:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Per Yuchitown, article talk is the place for this. But as long as I'm here, I will reiterate: Conflict of Interest guidelines on Wikipedia apply to all connected contributors, not just those who are paid. Looking over the article, and your additions to it, it is clear that you have a Conflict of Interest here and should not be editing this article. Additionally, Wikipedia relies on reliable, secondary sources. Primary sources are not relied upon, especially if they are self-published by the group in question. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 23:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

COI

Hello, DocWaterbear. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
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do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Yuchitown (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

This is something you do address on your talk page (here). Conflict of interest does not only apply to paid editing. If you have an affiliation with the subject of an article you are editing, you need to disclose it, and are often requested not to edit that article but instead request edits on the talk page. Yuchitown (talk) 15:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]