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The difference between the Anglo-Norman family of d'Aubigny and the family called d'Albini

The first family came from Saint-Martin-d'Aubigny, Manche, duchy of Normandy. William d'Aubigny settled in Norfolk at old Buckenham Castle and married Maud Bigod whose dowry included the Honour of Arundel and Arundel Castle. He was called William Pincerna. He was the Chief Steward for the household of the King of England and the Duke of Normandy as had his father before him. This family became the lords and later the first Earls of Arundel.

The second family came from Saint-Aubin-d'Aubigné, near Saint-Medard-sur-Ille, Duché de Bretagne. The first of the family in England was Main d'Aubigné, who was a vassal of Robert de Tosny; his son was called William Brito, to recognize his heritage and to distinguish him from William d'Aubigny. He served as an itinerant justiciar of assizes. His family were lords of Belvoir Castle for several generations. The name was usually written as d'Albini in family trees, again distinguishing these Bretons from the Norman family of d'Aubigny <See http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/prosopon/issue10-2.pdf>. The two families and their offspring are often confused by genealogists.

This confusion is evident in the various Wikipedia entries for the successive William d'Aubigny's, which note, without documentation, that the name is often spelled d'Albini. I think this is erroneous, caused by later genealogical confusion. I think someone who has more credentials than I do, some accredited genealogist in medieval studies, could write a disambiguation page. I have learned what I believe to be true by working through confusion on my own family genealogy.

Howard S Bragg, PhD

Innermeath, in either Perth Shire or Argyll Shire in Scotland; Did it ever exist?

I have run across the birth or death place of numerous individuals in Family Trees said to have been born or to have died in "Innermeath." As far as I can determine, "Innermeath" does not exist and never existed as a named place in Scotland or anywhere else in the U.K. I have searched for "Inner Meath" and "Invermeath" as well. It does not appear to have been a parish in any county in Scotland, either. Neither does the name appear as any road in the U.K. Meath is a county in Ireland, and there is a Meath Hill in East Ayrshire. The closest reasonable place I have been able to locate in Scotland that is consistent with the geographical context of the families mentioned is a place called "Invermay" near Forteviot, Perthshire. I find "Innermeath" in a Wickipedia page about the "Black Knight of Lorn," https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/James_Stewart,_the_Black_Knight_of_Lorn, for example. "Lorn" is a place on the east side of Loch Lomond north of Balloch, so it is clear where his domain was. I would appreciate the clarification that anyone may possess, but I think correction of this term is probably in order wherever it is found, because it appears to be at best a misreading of some old document, but most likely appears to be an unverified copying of someone else's incorrect information.DocSpenser (talk) 19:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]