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I respect wikipedia(I donated) ... Please kindly consider the following three points: 1. Yes, I linked to my personal website. I'm a newbie and didn't know it violates the rules here. Sorry ... 2. After checking my Talk page I noticed it's not allowed. I immediately changed. Please check http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Number_of_the_Beast (My edit there has no external link) 3. I read bible a lot, and know it's a VERY serious thing. I did everything in good faith to serve humanity.
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Question: If unblocked, what areas of the project do you intend to work in? What sort of contributions do you plan to make? Yunshui 雲水 11:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
REPLY: Thanks for the concern, Yunshui. I plan to work mainly on Christianity. I will contribute according to the rules here, especially content with source.
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REPLY: Thanks for the tip, Hasteur. We are all volunteers here who don't get paid. (So it's really not a "bribe" in anyway) BTW, when I donated, wikipedia said the list of donation will be available to the general public, yet some time after donation, the page of donation list was gone. I don't know why.
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Please give me a second chance to address key issues of "edit warring" and "original idea" which are the main concern here. For "edit warring": Yes, I did it. Sorry about that. I made five edits on the page "Number of the Beast", which is indeed edit warring. After five edits, and BEFORE I was blocked, I stopped. I'm a newbie here and didn't know three is the maximum number of edits here at wikipedia. I won't break this rule in the future. ... For "original idea": the issue here is 666 and human body, which I thought it's self evident, as any human can see and count. As I said I'm a newbie and didn't know it requires source here at wikipedia. I won't break this rule in the future. Please check my Contributions page - I do come here in good faith. I won't break rules here in the future.
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I'm declined this provisionally, pending completion of a second chance task (see below). Demonstrate constructive intent through this, and you will be unblocked. Yunshui 雲水 13:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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![]() In Christianity and Islam, the Second Coming of Christ, the second advent, sometimes called the parousia, is the anticipated return of Jesus Christ to Earth. This belief is based on prophecies found in the canonical gospels and in most Christian and Islamic eschatologies. Christians generally believe the anticipated event is predicted in biblical messianic prophecies. Views about the nature of Jesus' Second Coming vary among Christian denominations and sometimes among individual Christians within these denominations. Most English versions of the Nicene Creed in current use include the following beliefs about Jesus: "...he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. ... We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen." Terminology[edit]![]()
Several different terms are used to refer to the second coming of Christ. Epiphany[edit]In the New Testament the Greek word ἐπιφάνεια (epiphaneia, appearing) is used five times to refer to the return of Christ.[1][original research?] Parousia[edit]The Greek New Testament uses the Greek term parousia (παρουσία, meaning "arrival", "coming", or "presence") twenty-four times, seventeen of them concerning Christ.[2] The word is also used six times referring to individuals: Stephanas, Fortunatus and Achaicus 1Co.16:17, Titus2Co. 7:6–72 and of Paul himself 2Co. 10:10 Phil 1:26 2:12 and one time referring to the "coming of the lawless one".2Thes 2:9 The etymology of Greek word parousia is related to para "beside" ousia "presence". In English "parousia" always has a special, Christian, meaning.[3] Definitions[edit]
In Thayer's Lexicon, the Greek word parousia is defined as Strong's G3952:
And in the Bauer-Danker Lexicon:
And in the Catholic Encyclopedia article on General Judgment:[4]
Adolf Deissmann (1908)[5] showed that the Greek word "parousia" was used as early as the 3rd century BC to describe the visit of a king or dignitary to a city arranged in order the show his magnificence to the people. The Roman Advent Coins struck by the cities of Corinth and Patras for Nero's visit reveals the correspondence between the Greek "parousia" and the Latin "Adventus" and their relationship to the Greek word "epiphany" that means "appearing". Signs of Christ's return[edit]The Book of Acts states:
Other signs:
Christian views[edit]
1st century[edit]According to historian Charles Freeman, early Christians expected Jesus to return within a generation of his death. The non-occurrence of the second coming surprised the early Christian communities, but they quickly began to understand Christ's warning not to speculate "the day or the hour."[6]
Catholic and Orthodox[edit]Most English versions of the Nicene Creed in current use include the following beliefs about Jesus: "...he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. ... We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen." It is the traditional view of Catholics and Orthodox Christians, preserved from the early Church, that the second coming will be a sudden and unmistakable incident, like "a flash of lightning".Mt 24:27 They hold the general view that Jesus will not spend any time on the earth in ministry or preaching.[7][8] They also agree that the ministry of the Antichrist will take place right before the Second Coming.[7] Respected Orthodox layman Alexander Kalomiros explains the original Church's position regarding the Second Coming in River of Fire and Against False Union, stating that those who contend that Christ will reign on earth for a thousand years "do not wait for Christ, but for the Antichrist." The idea of Jesus returning to this earth as a kingly is a heretical concept to the Church, equated to "the expectations of the Jews who wanted the Messiah to be an earthly King." The Church instead teaches that which it has taught since the beginning—Christ will not return to earth, rather the Kingdom of Heaven, the New Jerusalem, will be established through the General Resurrection. Preterism[edit]The position associating the Second Coming with 1st century events such as the destruction of Jerusalem and of the Jewish Temple in AD 70 is known as Preterism.[9] Some preterists see this "coming of the Son of Man in glory" primarily fulfilled in Jesus' death on the cross. They believe the apocalyptic signs are already fulfilled including "the sun will be dark",[10] the "powers ... will be shaken,"[11] and "then they will see".[12] Yet some critics note many are missing such as "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up." (2 Peter 3:10)[13] And "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:30)[14] Some, such as Jerome, interpret the phrase "this generation" to mean lifetime of the Jewish race; however, if Jesus meant "race" he would have used genos (race) not genea (generation).[15][16] However, most scholars don't think Jesus spoke Greek, but instead that he spoke Aramaic. Mainline Protestant[edit]![]() The many denominations of Protestantism have differing views on the exact details of Christ's second coming. Only a handful of Christian organizations claim complete and authoritative interpretation of the typically symbolic and prophetic biblical sources. A common thread is the belief that Jesus will return to judge the world and to establish the kingdom of God (fulfilling the rest of Messianic prophecy). A short reference to the second coming is contained in the Nicene Creed, a prominent Christian statement of faith: "He [Jesus] shall come again in glory to judge the living and the dead; and His kingdom shall have no end." An analogous statement is also in the biblical Pauline Creed, in 1 Corinthians 15:23. Some Lutheran, Anglican and United Methodist liturgies proclaim the Mystery of Faith to be: "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." Adam Clarke writing in 1825, gave a time line ending in 2015.[17] Generally, mainline Protestant Christianity does not offer predictions on the date of the second coming, though some may form their own ideas of how and where it will happen.[citation needed] Seventh-day Adventists[edit]Fundamental Belief # 25 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church states
Jehovah's Witnesses[edit]Jehovah's Witnesses rarely use the term "second coming", preferring the term "presence" as a translation of parousia.[19] They believe that Jesus' comparison of "the presence of the Son of man" with "the days of Noah" at Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 17:26-30 suggests a duration rather than a moment of arrival.[20] Jehovah's Witnesses believe that biblical chronology points to 1914[21] as the start of Christ's "presence", which continues until Armageddon. Other biblical expressions they correlate with this period include "the time of the end" (Dan 12:4), "the conclusion of the system of things" (Matt 13:40,49; 24:3) and "the last days" (2 Tim 3:1; 2 Peter 3:3).[22][23] Witnesses believe Christ's millennial reign begins after Armageddon.[24] Latter Day Saints[edit]Notably those of the Latter Day Saint movement have particularly distinct and specific interpretations as to various signs presented in the Book of Revelation. Esoteric Christian teachings[edit]In Rosicrucian esoteric Christian teaching, there is a clear distinction between the cosmic Christ, or Christ without, and the Christ within.[25] According to this tradition, the Christ within is regarded as the true Saviour who needs to be born within each individual[26] in order to evolve toward the future Sixth Epoch in the Earth's etheric plane, that is, toward the "new heavens and a new earth":[27] the New Galilee.[28] The Second Coming or Advent of the Christ is not in a physical body,[29] but in the new soul body of each individual in the etheric region of the planet[30] where man "shall be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."[31] The "day and hour" when this event shall be, as described in the Bible, is not in the human knowledge domain.[32] The esoteric Christian tradition teaches that first there will be a preparatory period as the Sun enters Aquarius by precession: the coming age of Aquarius.[33] Dispensationalists[edit]Dispensationalists believe:
Last Day counterfeits[edit]Many Christians [who?] believe there will be a great deception before the coming of Christ. In Matthew 24 Jesus states
Specific date predictions and claims[edit]A number of specific dates have been suggested for the Second Coming of Christ. Some of these predictions have passed many decades ago and some are decades away. A number of people have also claimed to have fulfilled the Second Coming of Christ. Non-Christian viewpoints[edit]Judaism[edit]Judaism believes that Jesus is one of the false Jewish Messiah claimants because he failed to fulfill any Messianic prophecies, which include: Regarding the Christian idea that these prophecies will be fulfilled during a "second coming," Ohr Samayach states "we find this to be a contrived answer, since there is no mention of a second coming in the Jewish Bible. Second, why couldn't G-d accomplish His goals the first time round?"[37] Rabbi David Wolpe believes that the Second Coming was "grown out of genuine disappointment" and invented by Christians to theologically compensate for Jesus' death.[38] Islam[edit]Muslims believe that Isa (Jesus) will return at a time close to the end of the world. The Qur'anic verse they allude to as an indicator to Isa's future return is as follows:[39]
According to Islamic tradition, Isa's descent will be in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi (lit. "the rightly guided one"), known in Islamic eschatology as the redeemer of Islam, against the al-Masīh ad-Dajjāl ("false messiah") and his followers.[40] Isa will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes—his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal. Isa, considered in Islam as a Muslim (one who submits to God) and one of God's messengers, will abide by the Islamic teachings. Eventually, Isa will slay the Dajjal, and then everyone from the People of the Book (ahl al-kitāb, referring to Jews and Christians) will believe in him. Thus, there will be one community, that of Islam. Sahih Muslim, 41:7023 Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:43:656: Narrated Abu Hurairah:
After the death of the Mahdi, Isa will assume leadership. This is a time associated in Islamic narrative with universal peace and justice. Islamic texts also allude to the appearance of Ya'juj and Ma'juj (known also as Gog and Magog), ancient tribes which will disperse and cause disturbance on earth. God, in response to Isa's prayers, will kill them by sending a type of worm in the napes of their necks.[40] Isa's rule is said to be around forty years, after which he will die. Muslims will then perform the Salat al-Janazah (funeral prayer) for him and bury him in the city of Medina in a grave left vacant beside Muhammad.[39] Ahmadiyya[edit]![]() The Ahmadis believe that the promised Mahdi and Messiah (being one and the same person) has already arrived in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908). The hadith (sayings of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad) and the Bible indicated that Isa would return during the latter days. Islamic tradition commonly depicts that Isa, upon his second coming, would be an Ummati (Muslim) and a follower of Muhammad and that he would revive the truth of Islam rather than fostering a new religion.[41] The Ahmadiyya movement interpret the Second Coming of Isa prophesied as being that of a person "similar to Isa" (mathīl-i ʿIsā) and not his physical return, in the same way as John the Baptist resembled the character of the biblical prophet Elijah in Christianity. Ahmadis believe that Ghulam Ahmad demonstrated that the prophecy in Muslim and Christian religious texts were traditionally misunderstood to suggest that Jesus of Nazareth himself would return, and hold that Jesus had survived the crucifixion and had died a natural death. Ahmadi's consider the founder of the movement, in both his character and teachings to be representative of Jesus, and subsequently he attained the same spiritual rank of Prophethood as Jesus. Thus, Ahmadis believe this prediction was fulfilled and continued by his movement.[42][43] Baha'i Faith[edit]Bahá'u'lláh claimed to be the Return of Christ. Followers of the Bahá'í Faith believe that the fulfillment of the prophecies of the second coming of Jesus, as well as the prophecies of the Maitreya and many other religious prophecies, were begun by the Báb in 1844 and then by Bahá'u'lláh.[44] They commonly compare the fulfillment of Christian prophecies to Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, where in both cases people were expecting the literal fulfillment of apocalyptic statements.[45][46] Hinduism[edit]In modern times some traditional Indian religious leaders have since moved to embrace Jesus as an Avatar, or incarnation, of God.[47] In light of this, the Indian guru Paramahansa Yogananda, author of Autobiography of a Yogi, scribed an extensive commentary on the Gospels published in the two-volume set The Second Coming of Christ: The Resurrection of the Christ Within You.[48] In the tradition of the Gnostic Gospels, the book offers a mystical interpretation of the Second Coming in which it is understood to be an inner experience, something that takes place within the individual heart. Stating that "Paramahansa Yogananda was sent to the West by Jesus Christ himself" with the said intent to "restore the original Christian teachings among his followers", in Revelations of Christ Swami Kriyananda, Yogananda's disciple and Ex-minister of the Self-Realization Fellowship, provides a distilled commentary on the life and teachings of Christ, all of which is meant to serve as an anticipatory primer to Yogananda's more philosophically nuanced treatment in The Second Coming of Christ. Turning directly to The Bible, Kriyananda argues for a more scripturally mature Christianity in which The Second Coming is treated not in terms of a profane materialism - one which favors a literal, physical and subsequently anti-spiritual resurrection - but rather unfolds in accordance with the more spiritual aspirations of The Book of Luke; for "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21) Thus Hinduism's consideration of itself as an Eastern extension of the Christian Gospel, however, is neither unique to Yogananda or his disciple, Swami Kriyananda. Similarly, Srila Prabhupada, author Bhagavad Gita As It Is and founder of the Hare Krishna Movement, has propounded the same pluralistic, nonsecular view: that "'Christ' is another way of saying Krsta and Krsta is another way of pronouncing Krishna, the name of God." Stating that "A son may call his father 'Father', but the father also has a specific name. Similarly, God is the general name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose specific name is Krishna", "Therefore", he writes, "whether you call God 'Christ', 'Krsta', or 'Krishna', ultimately you are addressing the same Supreme Personality of Godhead. "[49] Theosophy[edit]In January 1946, Theosophist Alice A. Bailey prophesied that Christ (who is regarded by Theosophists as being identical with the being known by Theosophists as the Maitreya) would return "sometime after AD 2025".[50] See also[edit]
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Thanks for the second chance, Yunshui. The "Second Coming" article is missing some really important content - His name. So the edit is to include it, by adding this: The coming of Christ will be in the name of the Lord. "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" —Matthew 23:39 ... Personally I think it's a good edit ... I read bible a lot and think there are many things to add, but I'd like to hear your opinions first. Regards,
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This is an change that would have been reverted if you made it: in the section about signs, it adds something completely unrelated. Sorry, I'm not confident that you're able to edit Wikipedia neutrally. Max Semenik (talk) 17:41, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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- Dieyu, would you consider agreeing not to edit religious articles, at least until such a time that we can determine that you are aware of the policies and can edit neutrally? I understand that your purpose was to improve those articles; however, sometimes the articles we want to edit most are the articles that we are least able to edit neutrally. I am Christian and I avoid editing religious articles for that reason. Specifically ones dealing with theology/doctrines. Once you have proven that you understand our policies and can edit neutrally, I believe you should be able to edit religious articles that don't deal with theology. Perhaps an article on a church or a missionary. Then, after a few months, I could see you being able to edit articles that deal with theology/doctrines/belief systems. For now, could you consider improving a random stub I chose. In this case I am referring to Comment card. Note that there is no requirement for you to attempt improving that and there is no guarantee that an administrator unblock you as a result of that improvement or of agreeing to my comment. Ryan Vesey 17:51, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
REPLY: Thanks for the concern here Ryan. ... I plan to work mainly on Christianity. That's what I think I'm very familiar with.
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"you will not see me again until ..." This bible verse is sign, in my opinion, and a pretty important one ... Could you please review it again? Because I thought I made an excellent edit(Second Coming article should include His name) but obviously there are other opinions("would have been reverted"). I don't know, man, Second Coming will be "in the name of the Lord", isn't that important?
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Sorry, you're misunderstanding the purpose of Wikipedia. It's an encyclopedia that provides neutral information, your proselytism is inappropriate here. Max Semenik (talk) 07:46, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
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