User talk:Derek R Bullamore/Archive 5

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Billy Rankin (drummer)

Derek
I have undone your edits to Billy Rankin (drummer)
As explained on the discussion page Allmusic confuse Billy Rankin (drummer) who played for Brinsley Schwarz and Billy Rankin (guitarist) who played for Scottish band Nazareth. If the drummer had been born in Scotland in 1959, he'd only have been 11 when the first Brinsley Schwarz album came out.
I created both the (drummer) and (guitarist) articles to try and resolve this confusion - I obviously failed!.
In addition both What IS So Funny About Peace Love & Understanding? (with a capital IS) [1] and Cruel to Be Kind [2] are entire albums by Brinsley Schwarz, not just the individual Nick Lowe songs you linked them to.
Best wishes
--Arjayay (talk) 08:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Gosh, what a monumental cock-up. I must stay more awake - good job Wiki has people like you, to protect it from people like me ! Good work and much apologies all round,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 09:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The Bassey fan

Thanks, it's an interesting spectacle. I've had a look at that user's contributions: a one-track mind, it seems. Rothorpe (talk) 00:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm currently of a mind to block indef for persistent disruption related to WP:SOAPBOXing and ignoring policies; s/he does not seem to be getting it, has had multiple warnings; however, I'll leave one more warning. The next duff edit, she's out of here. Rodhull andemu 01:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Slade

Good luck! Not really my scene, but I'll keep an eye on it with interest. I've checked the US hit singles in Whitburn - ~~all~~ orl present and ~~correct~~ korrekt in the discography article. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Great band - saw them play in Holder's days, and agree that Slade Alive is one of the best - even if it was recorded in a studio. Don't really know much about them, but you've already expanded the article by over a third. Having read the current version I don't have much to add - except I think the Earls Court Exhibition Centre bit is fancruft - and probably wrong - Wiki's article states Pink Floyd played there in May '73, but Slade didn't play until July - but doesnt mention David Bowie, or give any references.
--Arjayay (talk) 10:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Misc

Hi Derek...thanks for being so concerned about these precious wikipedia pages. Out of curiousity are you paid by wiki or are you just doing this for fun? I would love to be paid for doing something as enjoyable as wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregr914 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

No, I am not paid by Wikipedia. I am simply one of millions of editors around the globe, trying to make Wikipedia the greatest on-line encyclopedia. I believe we are slowly (incredibly slowly) succeeding, and that is no mean feat, and something I am quite proud to be an extremely small part of. Why don't you join in?

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

The Move

Yes, "Do Ya", # 93, 5 weeks, entered 28 Oct 72, on United Artists 50928 ("California Man" was the B-side). The ref is Joel Whitburn, Top Pop Singles 1955-2002, Billboard, 2003, ISBN 0-89820-155-1. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Slade

With apologies for the delay (this has been a crazy week for me in RL), I've now responded to your note on my talkpage. Cross-posting here just in case you might have stopped watching there. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you - your cross posting was more than useful. I also have Noddy's autobiography, which, somewhat oddly, I have not used in my edits to date. I trust that the article is better presented and referenced than before, but would relish further quality (referenced) additions. Thanks again for responding positively; I realise that everyone has a life outside Wiki. Quite right too, or we would all go mad. Mad, I tell you - stark staring mad .... OOOOOhhhhh. Time for bed. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm also cross posting here, also posted a reply on my talk page, also happy to assist.SAHBfan (talk) 11:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Wally Whyton

Born 23 February 1929, or 23 September 1929 - sources conflict. Any ideas? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying, but I have been away for a few days. I have the details as 23 September 1929 - 22 January 1997 (neither date is in accord with the present Wiki article). I am not certain where my information came from, although it does agree with Thedeadrockstarsclub.com details, which I find invariably to be correct. Does this help ?

Derek R Bullamore (talk)

Thanks Derek. Another one for you down below! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jazz Mellor

An editor has nominated the Jazz Mellor article for deletion. If you have any thoughts on this matter then please add your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jazz Mellor.

Thank-you Unknown Unknowns (talk) 12:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Orig Williams

Hi, just read your message regarding Orig Williams. I honestly don't know much about him but I just read about his death and added him in, similar to my earlier contribution regarding Keith Kettleborough. I found it odd myself adding him in, especially with a name like Orig. My guess is it's a Welsh name dating centuries back. I'll be honest in saying that I was questioning his notability when added him in to the Deaths in 2009 page (probably it was Orig that had me questioning me) with the impression that perhaps "someone will know better then I do" and delete him from the list.

Maybe some day someone will created an article for him will all the facts and details.

Any other queries, don't hesitate to send me a message. All the best. Raphie (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Blimey, I've just been reading some of his on-line obituaries. What a colourful life he had, and definitely noteworthy enough for Wikipedia. I hope someone does do an article on him - it would be an interesting read. Way outside of my interest zone, but what stories Orig must have been able to tell. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

The Honeycombs

Dear Derek. Editing the entry about The Honeycombs is what the Dutch call "walking on eggs", but I did rewrite a passage that contained too many assertions that cannot be proved. I wrote an elaborate explanation on my talk page. I shall leave The Honeycombs alone now for a while. There is more to do.

By the way, what do you think of my idea of removing the part that is constantly being hijacked altogether? Sijtze Reurich (talk) 09:33, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I did read your lengthy thoughts on your talk page. The lack of citations is still a concern to me, but your input has been invaluable. I will go away, walk on a few eggs, and in due course have a go at trying to make the article less reliant on fan's opinions. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I have done my best on the article. At least it is now reasonably full of in-line citations; including the more contentious parts. You are free to tinker with it further - for that matter, so is anyone else ! I will leave it alone now, unless someone starts to add unsourced codswallop, which I intend to revert. Thanks again and best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

The article is quite impressive now! I have brought the entry about "Have I the Right?" into line with the present version of "The Honeycombs". I added a few references (e.g. one to the Dutch 1964 charts) that may be of use for the Honeycombs article too.

The only minor flaw is that Martin Murray is no longer a member of the present cast. From the scribblings of one the hijackers of the Honeycombs article I understood there has been a quarrel recently and Murray was cast out. There is no member of the former group in the present-day Honeycombs. Their website does not mention him anymore either.

Kind regards. Sijtze Reurich (talk) 10:09, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Wayne Bickerton

...of the Pete Best Four and The Rubettes fame. No date of birth - probably around 1942-1944 I would think, but I can't find anything anywhere. It's in the queue for WP:DYK, so if you can find anything it would be appreciated. Thanks, Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

No can help - I remember, a long time ago, searching for birth details for him and had no luck then. Good, no, very good Wiki article by the way, but I might have mentioned his brief dalliance (circa 1964?) with The Remo Four.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted! - I'll mention them as well. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Well done, old boy. Actually some time ago, I thought Tony Waddington deserved a Wiki article, but I think I may have got distracted by Tony Waddington back then. Perhaps something we could jointly have a look at in the future. I seem to have got deeply involved with The Honeycombs, Marmalade (plus Dean Ford and the Gaylords), Slade, The Move, Roy Wood, Wizzard, et al in recent times. What a happy, carefree life I lead - and I sometimes go to bed as well !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I had thought there wasn't as much on Waddington as on Bickerton, but now I've found... this! So, that's the next day or two sorted out then! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Charts in other countries

Another thought. Outside the UK and US, do you have any reliable sources for past charts in other countries? I know there are various online sources, I just wondered if there are any you consider particularly thorough or reliable. It's arisen because, in editing the article on "Sugar Baby Love", it's been stated that it reached #1 in Germany and Switzerland, but those statements are unsourced. I'd be interested to know if there is a centralised source where information on other countries' charts is held. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

There are several sites, none of them completely trustworthy. In my humble experience the best two are Lanet.lv and Tsort.info. The former covers just about everything, everywhere, but is a bastard to find your way through. The latter is more restrictive on subject matter, yet is easier to navigate (and I believe generally more accurate). The latter confirms #1 status in Germany and Switzerland. See how good I am to you ! Best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Just what I needed! Thanks.. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Date formats

Hello. Thanks for your edits to a number of articles that I created adding wikilinks etc., but can I draw your attention to WP:MOSDATE, specifically the section on Full date formatting. Non-US-centric articles generally use the international date format of day before month, and this should not be changed unless the article is considered strongly US-centric. The existing date format in an article should generally be retained. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 07:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I take your point. However, I was of the impression that the West Indies generally used American styled dating with the month before the date. If this is not the case, then clearly I was in the wrong. Secondly, there were some articles where both styles were used (info box and main text, for example) which clearly does not make sense.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they should definitely be consistent. Jamaica has come up in discussions a few times in the mosdate talk page and from what I saw there date first appeared to be assumed. I think it's probably only the US that has a hard and fast rule with this, even British sources vary on format these days. All of this was fairly academic of course before we started delinking dates.--Michig (talk) 17:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Andrew Johnston (singer)

Hi, just to let you know that I have reverted your edits here. I don't feel the full birth name is worthy of the lead (it's pretty trivial- fine in the infobox, but not really the first thing someone should learn about him) and the birth location was removed as per a discussion at the recent FAC. As for the categories- both England and Scotland likes to claim him as their own, and he hasn't lived in Scotland since he was a child. He was educated in England, lives in England and speaks with an English accent. The "British" category is a suitable compromise, I believe. For a similar case, see Faryl Smith- her grandmother was Welsh, so the Welsh press like to parade her as one of their own. J Milburn (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh fair enough. You obviously know far more about this individual than I ! I assumed, seeing 'Scottish' in the lede that he was Scottish. Silly me. Best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Lonesome Sundown

Looks good to me! I did a quick google and discovered this - http://www.offbeat.com/2003/09/01/cornelius-green-lonesome-sundown/ - which I suspect you may not have seen. I don't have much time in the next couple of days, so you may want to go through it and add anything you think helps. If not, I'll do it in a few days time. Re WP:DYK, all you really have to do is come up with an "interesting" hook line that is clearly referenced in the article and will tempt readers in, along the lines of "Did you know that........?" Again, I can look at it in a day or two's time if you like. Good article - I didn't know anything about him at all! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

As a hook, how about, "....that the music of Louisiana blues performer Lonesome Sundown was described by his producer as "the sound of the swamp"?" Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that's a good one. The best I had come up with was "Lonesome Sundown was given his stage name by his record producer, J. D. "Jay" Miller" - which does not seem to have much of a ring to it. Happy to go with yours.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, done - T:TDYK#Articles created/expanded on November 22. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Big Joe Duskin

Looks good - I formatted the quote a little, hope you don't mind. Your turn to come up with a DYK hook, I think - I'll be offline most of the next few days anyway. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't mind at all. I spent longer agonising over the quote (and the inherent slight duplication of the information it contained) than it took me to put the whole piece together ! Moreover, I still did not like it much - so thanks. What about "....that, in mid-career, the American blues and boogie-woogie pianist, Big Joe Duskin, never laid his hands on a keyboard for sixteen years?" Snappy enough, as in the reader may think, "why the hell not" ?

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, and referenced - go for it! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Done it - I think ! Thanks again, and here's hoping.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:20, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Just added the ' ' ' to boldify it. (Is that a word?) Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Boldify....err, no. Enbolden perhaps ?! Anyhow, thanks for your help because Duskin made full DYK status today. Lonesome Sundown still seems to be languishing in the back waters of the DYK listings, so perhaps it will not make the grade. Never mind. I recently vastly expanded Sugar Blue, if you would care to take a look some time. For some reason, which I can not really pinpoint, I am considerably less enamoured with it - but would appreciate a little critique. When you have the time. I am going away myself this coming Wednesday for two weeks in Belgium, so I will not be bothering anyone on Wiki for a little while. Whereas, when arrived, I will be seriously bothering bar owners for another lovely beer or two. LOL. Best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Dave Clark Five

Referenced material relating to songwriting arrangements with Ron Ryan continues to get anonymously deleted from this page. In addition, referenced material concerning Dave Clark's use of a session drummer on certain recordings also gets deleted. It seems to me that there ends up being a bit of an historical whitewash. How to correct this or how to monitor for these anonymous and, in my view at least, unjustified "cleanups" of the page?

Dreadarthur (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this matter seems to have been dragging on for months now. I do feel that Ryan's claims are dubious, at best, and are best left in the footnotes. Graham's contribtion is more certain and better reliably referenced. I think your edits left the best overall impression of the situation, although ultimately neither you or I have the final say. I feel your best first line of attack is to write to those who remove the referenced text, and ask for cited validility of their actions. Chances are, this will not be forthcoming. In that circumstance, I think you are well within your rights, and Wikipedia guidelines, to re-introduce the text and await developments. If this does not resolve the situation, you may need to refer to an administrator for arbitration.

I personally do not have strong enough feelings to continually edit the article, although it remains on my 'watchlist'. On your's too, I suspect. In my long experience of editing Wikipedia music based articles, I can tell you that there are more arguments, claims and counterclaims, over 1960s pop music than any other subject. I guess most involed at that time feel that they lost out on credit, royalties etc., and have let it fester over the years. Frankly, and we are talking about almost half a century here, what is not sorted after this length of time never will be. Some 'facts' may never be proven, one way or the other. Go even further back and read about Robert Johnson !

I do broadly appreciate your plight, and would support your argument. Frankly though, I have better things to do than continually counter-edit this particular article. However, generally I hope my reply helps. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time to express your sentiments here.

Dreadarthur (talk) 02:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for making the change I suggested at Sugar Blue. Could you also have a look at T:TDYK#James Harman? Ucucha 21:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have just finished doing so. I made the mistake of assuming the link in the Zoo Bar (Lincoln, Nebraska) article was 'live', and used it in Harman's article. As you pointed out it is dead - moreover, despite finding umpteen sites with references to Harman, the song, and the club, none of them actually state that he wrote the song for the club. Which rather brings me, and the DYK, down in flames. Ho hum. I guess I have no option but to withdraw it from DYK. Your swift response to this; Whistlin' Alex Moore; and Sugar Blue are appreciated. For me - "two out of three ain't bad". Many many thanks.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Not so fast, please--all's not lost yet. Will you be able to find it somewhere here? And otherwise, you can always use another fact from the article for the DYK. Ucucha 22:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Archive.org failed. However, won't you be able to insert a reference when you just say he "recorded" instead of "wrote" the song? Ucucha 22:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes - thanks for the link - but still no luck. I have now amended the original article's wording and found, I hope, a suitable reference.

To be brutally frank, I have created new articles for Paul Lamb, Larry McCray and Dave Peabody; as well as James Harman in the last couple of days. I could not, apart from Harman's dead duck, find even a half interesting hook to put forward for any of them ! Never mind - my 'To Do' blues musician list still has another twenty names, or so, to go. That will keep me occupied well into the New Year, and beyond. Perhaps one, or three, will throw up a tit-bit to create a potential hook for DYK too. You can't win them all. I have got Big Joe Duskin and Lonesome Sundown through in the past few days - maybe Sugar Blue and Whistlin' Alex will follow. Enough for anyone.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

It would be even better if we had a reference that explicitly linked the song to the nightclub, though in my opinion what we have now suffices.

I understand the sentiment. Some time ago, I wrote 14 articles in a row for a single DYK hook about Nephelomys, and while doing that I realized that it was a good thing I wasn't making individual DYKs about them--because all those fourteen species seemed to be the most singularly dull rodents of all time. More precisely, they're probably among the most singularly badly studied rodents, but that still means writing interesting DYK hooks about them would be difficult. Still, every contribution to DYK is welcome and I'd encourage you to look carefully for interesting facts in every article you write.

Have a good holiday! Ucucha 23:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Listen, I'm still here. Just. I hope I have expressed my gratitude sufficiently for your input. Your username was - almost - plucked at random from the DYK history file, and I had no reason to suppose you would be so helpful. Seriously - thank you. I am usually, after 55 years on this planet, more careful and cautious and thorough over everything, but my imminent holiday made me rush through a few things. What the hell. My speciality (ha ha) is popular music, in all its gaudy genres. However, I do understand your interest in natural history. The rodent part of it was highlighted here on UK television with the recent discovery in Papua New Guinea (I think) of the largest known rat in the word. Amazing images - what a world we live in and, despite all the politicians spouting otherwise, how little we know. Louis Armstrong (bless him) had it exactly right - "And I think to myself, what a wonderful world". Kindest regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

You are very welcome; the thing I like most about DYK is that it gives me a chance to learn about all areas of the project and to help develop some articles and I thank you for giving me the chance to help out on a few.

The discovery of the Bosavi Woolly Rat was a bit overblown, but it does indicate that it's true what you say--we know very little about many pieces of natural history. Ucucha 00:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm sailing off to Bruges, Belgium tomorrow. Beautiful architecture, chocolate, waffles, frites and beer. Well, sod the rest - save the beer for me. "What a wonderful world". Our paths may cross before the year is out. Otherwise, may your rodents run in a straight path ! Good night.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I have no further info about Bechet. Your first theory (noted on my talk page) sounds probable, but I have no means of confirming it. The photo at Sugarblue.com by the statue of Bechet suggests that he was indeed the inspiration. Happy investigations! - Fayenatic (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)