User talk:Darnathiss

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Hello Darnathiss, welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Liance, and I've been editing here for a while. I wanted to thank you for submitting Draft:Enex Technologies to WikiProject Articles for Creation and helping to grow the encyclopedia! We appreciate your contributions and hope you stick around. I can see you've already started writing draft articles, so here are a few more resources that might be helpful:

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Enex Technologies (June 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Chaotic Enby was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Enex Technologies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Darnathiss! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Enex Technologies (July 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by OnlyNano was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Enex Technologies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

OnlyNano^talk 00:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Enex Technologies (July 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by HitroMilanese was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please see WP:CORPDEPTH.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Enex Technologies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Hitro talk 14:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024

Hello Darnathiss. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Darnathiss. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Darnathiss|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DoubleGrazing,

I have no relation with Enex. I'm new to Wikipedia and I decided to start with something familiar for me, as the company has one of its offices in my hometown. It is a very well-known multinational, often covered by media, and I thought that I could write an article on it. This company has also a significant relevance abroad.

I’m new here and I am facing some difficulties. I am trying to understand what I might be doing wrong before attempting to write something else.

About the sources, in general, I would like to understand on what basis a source is judged not independent when it comes to the main general and sector-specific newspapers, all of which are supposed to be independent.

In detail, about the information sources that I inserted on Enex Technologies please see my notes:

1. True, but it indirectly supports exactly what you wrote: Girotto is an expert in CO2refrigeration systems and actually he introduced their commercial use. He was the first.

2. Okay, but Repubblica is still the second national largest Italian newspaper. Wikipedia entries often include paywalled articles, why shouldn't this be acceptable?

3. Affari Italiani is a main economy independent digital magazine in Italy, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaritaliani.it

4. Corriere della Sera, https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Corriere_della_Sera, is the leading Italian newspaper. Accusing it of bias needs to be proven…

5. Industria Italiana is the most well-known and widely read independent online magazine in Italy on Industry, Manufacturing, Automation, B2B ICT, and related economic topics.

I believe this article meets all the necessary criteria, yet it has not been approved.

May you please help me understand how it can be published?

Thank you for your help and understanding. I look forward to your answer. Darnathiss (talk) 09:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DoubleGrazing ,

Do you have news or suggestion about this topic?

I look forward to your answer. Thank you! Darnathiss (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no; I've no suggestions.

As for your question about independent sources, while it is true that a well-established mainstream media outlet may be journalistically independent as a publisher, it may still carry content which is not independent. For example, many outlets feature interviews, where they don't apply their usual editorial oversight and fact-checking measures, and instead allow the interviewee to say pretty much what they want. Similarly, many publish articles based on press releases or other publicity materials. In both these examples it is the subject, rather than the publication's journalists, talking. Trade press is particularly notorious in this respect, they routinely accept press releases for publication as-is, and even sell column space, either outright or in exchange for advertising.

With all due respect, I'm still finding it difficult to believe you have no connection with the business you're writing about. You've created two drafts here on the English-language Wikipedia, and another two on the Italian one, all of them on Enex. Here all your edits have to do with this subject. This is rather remarkable, if your only motivation is that "the company has one of its offices in [your] hometown". But okay, assuming good faith, I must believe you, of course.

This being the case, I would suggest that you drop this subject (which you presumably won't mind doing, as it has no special importance to you) and find something else to edit about. In any case, I would always advise that you spend some time making smaller edits to existing articles, taking part in some discussions, etc., and generally learning how Wikipedia works, before you even attempt article creation, which is probably the most difficult thing to do here (and businesses are among the most difficult subjects to create articles about!). After all, the first time you board an aeroplane, you wouldn't expect to turn left at the door and go into the cockpit to fly the thing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]