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Interesting category
Here you created Category:Chemical articles having Jmol set/Hardcoded. I could not find its background. Could you describe wat it is for, and how it is populated. Thanks ;-) DePiep (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- The J(S)mol 3D model entry in the infobox uses the SMILES parameter. However, SMILES doesn't always represent the molecule correctly for various reasons, or even if it does, the JSmol webservice does not render it correctly. The goal is to provide a separate field for these situations. Sometimes it's possible to write an alternate SMILES that renders correctly, so it can be passed as an override field for the regular SMILES for purposes of the 3D model. And other times there's really just no way to do it (or at least nobody has figured out how yet), so there is a special token "none" to pass in the override field that just inhibits display of the 3D model infobox item altogether.
- The goal for articles is to present an image that is correct, or no image at all, and the purpose of the cats is to track the cases where we have to play these games. There are several subclasses of overrides ("none" to inhibit vs some alternative hardcoded to render properly, and minerals as a class are hopeless), so I think I was aiming to have subcats of Category:Chemical articles having Jmol set for each. DMacks (talk) 00:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll chew on this. -DePiep (talk) 00:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Did you change any Chembox subtemplate code for this? -DePiep (talk) 00:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- DePiep I think that part of the issue is that there are several "flavours" of SMILES, some of which handle stereochemistry (especially chirality) better than others. Again, cyhalothrin is a good test case. I fiddled with the SMILES in its Chembox until the image generated in Jmol was correct in its absolute stereochemistry (i.e. gamma-cyhalothrin, the most active of the 16 isomers). So the category may be useful so that those interested (a vanishingly small group!) can do a similar fiddle. It would only be worthwhile to spend time on that for important cases such as thalidomide where the "wrong" enantiomer is the one that has all the adverse side-effects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- I am not involved with fiddling & solving, out of my league. I do know the category 'SMILES does not work in JSmol' is useful (I created it ;-). It's just I was surprised by the new subcategories and their rationale. -DePiep (talk) 12:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's not as simple as "some SMILES are more canonical than others" or including different levels of stereochemical detail. Those are important concerns for database keying and specificity. But the major class that bugs me is organometallics like ferrocene. Databases and automated SMILES generators seem to see ferrocene as a loose Fe2+ atom and two loose cyclopentadienyl rings where one carbon atom on each is anionic. The larger pathological class is things that SMILES sees as separate components but that chemists know have specific spacial positioning among those components, so it also includes catenanes and other interlocked strucures. A good example is olympiadane; SMILES sees it as simply "five rings" not interlocked and the Jmol renderer makes each ring entirely flat (carbons with four bonds have square–planar geometry and multiple cases of intersecting atomic nuclei. DMacks (talk) 13:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Ferrocene is an excellent example. The connection table, whether as SMILES, MDL molfile or InChI in one's underlying db of structures has to be capable of rendering back into something chemists would recognise as "correct". We solved this in about 2004 when we started using the Accord (Accelrys at that time) viewer, so I know that BIOVIA draw does all this well, as the direct descendent of that work. When, I hope soon, I can send you all copies of my Syngenta [Chemistry] Business rules you'll see more and it will become clear that one has to plan a) what you want b) how to store the information and c) how to retrieve and display it back to your chemistry users. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- DePiep I think that part of the issue is that there are several "flavours" of SMILES, some of which handle stereochemistry (especially chirality) better than others. Again, cyhalothrin is a good test case. I fiddled with the SMILES in its Chembox until the image generated in Jmol was correct in its absolute stereochemistry (i.e. gamma-cyhalothrin, the most active of the 16 isomers). So the category may be useful so that those interested (a vanishingly small group!) can do a similar fiddle. It would only be worthwhile to spend time on that for important cases such as thalidomide where the "wrong" enantiomer is the one that has all the adverse side-effects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi! I just "found" an old deletion request about cleaning up in this category and it seems the only 2 files left is your files. Do you still need those files? And do you think the category is still needed? --MGA73 (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Those files are for local testing. They don't need to be in a public category based on...anything really. I removed them from that cat. I think that specific cat has obviously long outlived its usefulness. You want to CFD it or should I? DMacks (talk) 22:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- What about Category talk:Unclassified Chemical Structures? Does this talk page need to be archived? --Leyo 10:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- @DMacks and Leyo: Sorry for the late reply. I see you have fixed it! Thank you very much both of you. --MGA73 (talk) 19:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- What about Category talk:Unclassified Chemical Structures? Does this talk page need to be archived? --Leyo 10:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
11 foot 8 bridge
Thanks for the work you did on the copyright issue. I took me over a day to read and understand your analysis, but it was worth it. I learned a lot. A website can say everything has copyright restrictions, even though those restrictions have been lifted somewhere else. We depend upon editors like you to keep wikipedia honest. Comfr (talk) 21:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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17:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Bring back User:Edgar181?
Do you think there any chance of getting Edgar181 unblocked? He was very useful editor. I realize that sockpuppetry is a major infraction, especially for an admin, but as a sockpuppet he did not seem to do anything that was particularly bad (that I recall). And he was an outstanding helper. There is no reason for him to return as an admin (inconceivable).--Smokefoot (talk) 02:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think there's zero chance. According to those who have more advanced permissions than I do, there was some bad stuff that wasn't specific to his being an admin. The sense I get among admins is that the deception, no matter how innocuous related to content and no matter how good his content was (and it was!), is that it would be a non-starter any time in the short-term future. DMacks (talk) 14:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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Barnstar for thee!
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| Thank you for introducing me to Wikipedia! Besides helping others for factual information, you also helped introduce me to HTML and CSS coding, which would use in the future. Cheers! Ice bear johny meowy123 16:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
- You're welcome on all counts! DMacks (talk) 03:21, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
please ban Sabbatino for a week.
please amd thank you. 1Luca2 (talk) 05:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Not done @1Luca2: you will need to provide a reason, such as specific edits they have made and the specific specific policy or guideline being violated by them. DMacks (talk) 06:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for tidying up my edit to Isoelectronicity
Thanks so much for improving my edit. I first edited that article in 2016 when I was in my first year of chemistry and just learned about it in depth, and I check up on the page every now and then.
Last night I had a second look and realised that the entire page really needed a rework and obsessively wrote it for 3 hours. Thanks for clearing the edit up and reformatting things so they better fit wikipedia. Means a lot :) Demonicnoobie (talk) 14:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking the time to follow up about it (and pursuing your interest in chemistry). DMacks (talk) 15:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Ulyvoei
Said editor is back adding unsourced information with the atypical edit summaries.[14]
Even edit warring unsourced information into an article.[15] --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:31, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- I gave them a level4 warning. Let me know if (I know, but I'm being optimistic) it happens again. DMacks (talk) 06:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- On his talk page User:Ulyvoei acknowledged an offer of help but did not acknowledge that Ulyvoei's edits needed to improve, instead claiming to be persecuted. Then at 14:11, 15 November 2020 UTC made this edit which removed "c." from a date without explanation or source, and which also created a contradiction between the info box and the lead of the article. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- I saw that edit and I agree it's a contradiction between the infobox and the first sentence of lead. Later the lead, however, is "His death was recorded by a former follower in the year 1415" (which exactly matches what the article later says). On its face, that could support actually (not approximately) that specific year. What is the Wikiproject Middle Ages or Wikiproject Biography standard for certainty and sourcing regarding this sort of information? This is not a topic-area with which I'm familiar (neither the actual topic nor wiki work). DMacks (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks User:Jr8825 for helping me to see how to read it. DMacks (talk) 17:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- No problem, I also left them a message on their talk page reaffirming what you'd just said. Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 17:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Same type edits = Same user? "New user" KitchenScience has made 4 edits concerning date of birth. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Kansas Bear: Almost certainly. Note (unsurprisingly) their age. WP:CIR? Jr8825 • Talk 22:45, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- The socking is obvious, so we'll block KitchenScience as the newer one. After the sock-warning, they have continued to make content edits as Ulyvoei but not as KitchenScience, so I'm on the fence about blocking that main one for the socking alone. Do content-edits continue to be problematic after several of us gave hand-written explanations on their talkpage? DMacks (talk) 23:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- CU confirmed the match, and also unconvered User:Anonimus305. I support their indef of the main. Enough of this time-sink. DMacks (talk) 00:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note DMacks. Well, dang. I can perhaps understand setting up one additional account in certain circumstances but two??? Not so much. Time-sink for sure. S0091 (talk) 00:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- CU confirmed the match, and also unconvered User:Anonimus305. I support their indef of the main. Enough of this time-sink. DMacks (talk) 00:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- The socking is obvious, so we'll block KitchenScience as the newer one. After the sock-warning, they have continued to make content edits as Ulyvoei but not as KitchenScience, so I'm on the fence about blocking that main one for the socking alone. Do content-edits continue to be problematic after several of us gave hand-written explanations on their talkpage? DMacks (talk) 23:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Kansas Bear: Almost certainly. Note (unsurprisingly) their age. WP:CIR? Jr8825 • Talk 22:45, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Same type edits = Same user? "New user" KitchenScience has made 4 edits concerning date of birth. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- No problem, I also left them a message on their talk page reaffirming what you'd just said. Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 17:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks User:Jr8825 for helping me to see how to read it. DMacks (talk) 17:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- I saw that edit and I agree it's a contradiction between the infobox and the first sentence of lead. Later the lead, however, is "His death was recorded by a former follower in the year 1415" (which exactly matches what the article later says). On its face, that could support actually (not approximately) that specific year. What is the Wikiproject Middle Ages or Wikiproject Biography standard for certainty and sourcing regarding this sort of information? This is not a topic-area with which I'm familiar (neither the actual topic nor wiki work). DMacks (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- On his talk page User:Ulyvoei acknowledged an offer of help but did not acknowledge that Ulyvoei's edits needed to improve, instead claiming to be persecuted. Then at 14:11, 15 November 2020 UTC made this edit which removed "c." from a date without explanation or source, and which also created a contradiction between the info box and the lead of the article. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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15:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!
Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:53, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, my mop's bar mitzvah will have to wait until the pandemic subsides. DMacks (talk) 16:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
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Short description for Resonance
Hello, i added that short description to Resonance because it is a concept in control theory, which is the study of "the control of dynamical systems in engineered processes or mechanisms". Though it sounds nothing like the concepts in the article, it is about oscillatory processes, as you can see by opening its article here. That page is clearly categorized in Category:Control theory, and that shortdesc has the added benefit of being under the recommended character limits at WP:WPSHORTDESC. I believe if the article does not mention control theory in the lead, then that is a problem we should fix in the article rather than keeping an unusable shortdesc as it currently stands. If you think that description is lousy, though, I'm open to discussing other alternatives to add to that field. Cheers, YuriNikolai (talk) 23:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- The problem I have is that it's not in keeping with how the article is written. Control theory defines itself (paraphrasing:) as maintaining an equilibrium via feedback whereas the resonance article talks about perpetual oscillation at a certain frequency. The cause might in some cases be a restoring force that pushes towards equilibrium, but that's not how the phenomenon is sometimes directly seen. For example, we know that a string vibrates because of the force of being stretched, but that doesn't provide a clean analogy to a standing wave in an organ pipe. The frequency is the key, not the perpetual restoring. And driving a system at its resonant frequency easily leads to it going out of control.
- As our article says, the scope is "physics". The control theory article is so full of technical jargon in the intro, a lay reader really might not understand it even if resonance might technically be a subtopic of it. The goal as I see it is to help readers--even non-technically-advanced ones--tell at a glance what the topic is (for example, in a SEEALSO list). The Wikidata description is too long and wordy, but it's at a reasonable readability level and seems closer to the article.
- How about how resonance (disambiguation) defines it: "Resonance is the tendency of a physical system to oscillate at great amplitude at certain frequencies."? DMacks (talk) 10:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
- I quite like that definition, though it is too long (over 40-ish characters) even if we reduce it to "Tendency of a physical system to oscillate at great amplitude at certain frequencies" (84 chars). I propose "Tendency in physical systems" as a shortdesc, it's a bit basic but taking out "at certain frequencies" or other parts of the first phrase would make the description somewhat inaccurate, and the main goal of a shortdesc is to show up in the preview menu when creating links, where an overly long text will be cut. What do you think? YuriNikolai (talk) 23:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that if we mention "oscillate" we have to mention "frequency". Is it necessary to include "physical" and/or "systems"? I think a key idea is the oscillation, as a distinguishing characteristic (vs for example any of the Conservation of ___ laws). What about "Tendency to oscillate at certain frequencies" (45 chars)? DMacks (talk) 04:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
- That seems like the best synthesis of the idea so far! I'll add it to the page. Thanks for the help in brainstorming this one! YuriNikolai (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
- Pleasure working with you, YuriNikolai. Cheers! DMacks (talk) 10:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- That seems like the best synthesis of the idea so far! I'll add it to the page. Thanks for the help in brainstorming this one! YuriNikolai (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that if we mention "oscillate" we have to mention "frequency". Is it necessary to include "physical" and/or "systems"? I think a key idea is the oscillation, as a distinguishing characteristic (vs for example any of the Conservation of ___ laws). What about "Tendency to oscillate at certain frequencies" (45 chars)? DMacks (talk) 04:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
- I quite like that definition, though it is too long (over 40-ish characters) even if we reduce it to "Tendency of a physical system to oscillate at great amplitude at certain frequencies" (84 chars). I propose "Tendency in physical systems" as a shortdesc, it's a bit basic but taking out "at certain frequencies" or other parts of the first phrase would make the description somewhat inaccurate, and the main goal of a shortdesc is to show up in the preview menu when creating links, where an overly long text will be cut. What do you think? YuriNikolai (talk) 23:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Chemistry
Under the topic named chemistry , it is written that atoms retains chemical properties of the element it corresponds to. I want to that does atom show "all" the chemical properties shows by the element? Also want to know does atom not retain physical properties of its element? Vanshita poddar (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Vanshita poddar! Many physical properties require a sample containing many of the atom because they involve forces between the atoms rather than just properties of an atom itself. For example, melting point does not make sense if you don't have enough atoms to form a crystal lattice of a solid. Censity does not make sense because there need to be lots of atoms to be spread out to various distances. Conductivity of metals requires metallic bonding and electrons delocalized among the many atoms. But chemical properties usually make sense for single atoms. If you have some particular properties in mind, we can talk about them in more detail. It would also help to know what level you are in school, so I can try to explain in an understandable level of detail. DMacks (talk) 10:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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Tigrayans
Hello sir. I'm a pending changes reviewer. I notice you edit protected the article Tigrayans. Are you knowledgeable on this topic? I find this edit suspicious (SPA, major re-defining of the ethnicity, in his edit history he reverted some sysop edits, he's not using the talk page, on the talk page Tigrinyas vs Tigrayans appears to be controversial and un-decided, his edit replaces some local script with English, talk page mentions a sockpuppet), but I do not feel comfortable enough with the topic to revert him again. Looking for a 2nd opinion. Thank you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hello again. I since did a lot more research on the subject, and I did find an entry for Tigray in CIA's world factbook. I assume the original editor/diff I mentioned is acting in good faith now, although he was a bit quick to re-write the article. I will try to get a discussion going on the article's talk page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing some good research and getting a discussion going! Sorry I didn't notice your original message until this late update to it:( I know there is a lot of good-faith dispute and potential bad-faith ethnic POV in this topic area, but I do not actually know anything about the topic itself. Let me know if I can be of further admin assisance. DMacks (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Regarding your revert at radon
I think I fixed the problem by moving the cite to Dorn to its appropriate location: Rutherford and Owens actually published in 1899 the year they discovered it. But I thought you might like to know a very annoying fact about how this element is treated in sources that is probably partly responsible for the whole mess: there is a problem because "radon" is sometimes used to mean the element Rn with atomic number 86 (thus any isotope of it counts), but sometimes it is used to mean only 222Rn that is the one produced when natural radium decays. This is one of the last holdouts of the old tradition to name isotopes in decay chains (radium F, radium G, and all that).
Therefore, if you look it up in books or articles, you are going to find some disagreement between the 1899 and 1900 dates of discovery. Because radon the element was first discovered in 1899 by Rutherford and Owens, and they published their paper in 1899. But the isotope they discovered was 220Rn (sometimes still today called "thoron" as it is the one produced when natural thorium decays.) Radon the isotope was first discovered only the next year (1900) by Dorn, and he published his paper in 1900. So nowadays, sources who don't do their research properly will credit Dorn as the discoverer and give the date 1900, because he discovered radon the isotope; just not radon the element. Which is particularly anti-historical because Dorn actually cited Rutherford and Owens when he reported his discovery, but there it is. The culprit is the old tradition that said that the most stable isotope becomes the name of the element, which is why not just element 86 but also element 91 has this discovery muddle. For both of them, the first discovered isotope was not the most stable, and the first discoverers got unfairly forgotten.
Source explaining this muddle: Nature. I did try to explain it at the section concerned by writing after describing the old isotope names "...which caused some confusion in the literature regarding the element's discovery as while Dorn had discovered radon the isotope, he had not been the first to discover radon the element." But given this, I think perhaps I should have tried to do more. I'm not sure how to deal with it without it becoming a long digression over the history of isotope naming, though. Double sharp (talk) 03:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for all the details! I've been reading Marco Fontani's The Lost Elements between semesters, looking forward to picking it up again in a few weeks. DMacks (talk) 04:06, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- I love that book! One day I must pick it up again too. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 04:08, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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user:Ulyvoei?
I noticed a very similar editing pattern with a "new user". Changing dates of birth, etc. User:Toaster9 has a very recognizable editing pattern that oddly matches user:Ulyvoei and user:KitchenScience. Your thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Edit to 6PPD
Hello, I made a minor edit to 6PPD. I am not much familiar with chemistry, so just dropping by this message so that you can check the line is still accurate. Thanks. extra999 (talk) 15:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Looks good. Thanks for your edits! DMacks (talk) 15:46, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Other names in Chem infobox
There is an ongoing discussion at the 1-Butanol talk page that may be of interest to you and other knowledgeable chemistry editors. The inclusiveness of Other names in the Chem infobox is the topic. Should obsolete names or names not in common usage be included? As this question is applicable to many other chemical compounds, another forum for this discussion may be appropriate unless this issue has already been resolved. Sandcherry (talk)
- The above user and another have reverted every single one of my recent edits. I removed, from the infobox, all the names except those in common use. For example, "n-Butyl hydroxide" is clearly not an acceptable name for an alcohol. They have not provided any citations to verify the current use of the terms, other than a "dictionary". It is impossible to obtain a proper consensus regarding these edits are there are in total only 3 editors involved. Please have a look at 1-Butanol and its talk page and remove each questionable name from the infobox unless you think that its inclusion serves a useful purpose..
- N.b. The name "methylolpropane" was not found in a web-search but the related compound Trimethylolpropane is sold under that name. Petergans (talk) 12:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Current Caliph of Islam
The Information that was provided on Wikipedia about current caliph of Islam was totally wrong it has to be removed because it was against the act of Islam and as a Muslim we didn't accept this AHamzaTanoli (talk) 20:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Absolutely.Kindly check this and remove this disgusting thing from wiki page Ahad Saleem (talk) 20:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Absolutely not. You (or anyone else) has exactly zero privlege to declare for all Islam how things are. Instead, it's up to each sect itself to have its own interpretation. None is better or more correct, and importantly, none can tell the others. We are an encyclopedia built on a policy of neutrality not religious hierarchy. DMacks (talk) 21:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Google and the Ahmadiyya caliphate
Hello DMacks,
All these people have a legitimate complaint of sorts, although their complaint ought to be directed to Google since it is their incompetent algorithms are displaying these utterly false search results. I suggest that instead of slapping them down and deleting their complaints, we reply, telling them to take up the matter with Google. Just my opinion. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Many contain serious ethnic slurs, such as normative use of "qadiani" and "kafir"--that's a non-starter in my book (demonstrates they're not coming from a position of any sort of acceptance to discuss further) that really cannot be kept IMO. And their comments even beyond that often suggest they will not be molified by the current article wordings that clarify the scope of the belief (who is whose caliph, for example). That all said, feel free to reduce the prot (citing this comment here) while taking up patrolling for the abuse in the comments themselves. DMacks (talk) 05:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
How did you feel harassments in my explanations?
I explained everything well in manners and I do not think that I harassed a Wikipedian Fellow. Can you point me to the words that are assumed as harrasment. If replying to a Fellow is harassment then I think you should think over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatiUlHassanChattha (talk • contribs) 08:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Qadiyani is an offensive term. DMacks (talk) 09:33, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
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This Month in Education: November 2020
Defining traits of Bart Simpson
OK, so I understand that “fictional cross-dressers” was deemed not to be a defining trait of Bart Simpson. Personally, I would disagree with this, given that Bart cross-dressing is a running gag that has been rather often noted by fans. But, I didn’t come here to defend the point, I don’t really care enough about the cross-dressing habits of cartoon 10 year olds for that, so I’ll just let it go. What I came here to do is to note one thing, and also ask one thing. I would like to note that although I shortly afterwards removed “fictional characters who have made pacts with the Devil” as not a defining trait, and am aware how that looks, I was not in fact trying to make a WP:POINT, but rather genuinely don’t see that as a defining trait regardless of what else may or may not be. I merely noticed it by being on the page and couldn’t recall it ever being a major part of his character except maybe three or four throwaway gags, one of which was a deleted scene from a Halloween episode. And what I want to ask is, you linked to WP:P, calling it a “policy”. But that page actually starts with a disclaimer that it is NOT a policy. So, I assume you didn’t intend to link to that. But, just so I know, what were you attempting to link to? --StrexcorpEmployee (talk) 21:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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Donner60 (talk) is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!
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Re: 300
I always have done that. 300px renders better in infoboxes on bridges, railroad stations, etc because they take up more unused space and most things are visible. Have done it for many years. Mitch32(sail away with me to another world.) 00:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Reply to user talkpage message
You really have an college degrees and u are worrying about Dixie D’amelios songs wikipedia. Get a life. I was just saying the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asiallinenvirheenkorjaaja (talk • contribs) 01:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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Discussion at https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User talk:DMacks
You are invited to join the discussion at https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User talk:DMacks. Is it possible for me to have an archive page as well, if I may add? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DarkMatterMan4500,
- What page are you trying to archive? For example, are you talking about User talk:DarkMatterMan4500, or the talkpage of a certain article? DMacks (talk) 03:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
Have a very happy first edit anniversary!
From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 12:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Camille Rowe article edits
Hi! I'm sorry, I just wanted to clarify that those disruptive edits might've shown up due to the fact that it was me on two different pages, haha! I'm still fairly new to this wiki editing business so I'm still learning through trial and error :D I was consulting multiple pages to fact check and I probably finished the edit on another page (which wasn't the one I originally worked on) so maybe that's why!
Apologies for the inconvenience and for appearing as disruptive. I know that her page is semi-protected because of vandalism from fans of one of her exez, so I get it!
Best wishes x
Coattails (talk) 22:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- No worries. As you correctly noted, certain specific articles just get higher scrutiny, beyond the usual "make sure you include a reference when you add a detail." It's often hard to know ahead-of-time when you find yourself on such a page. DMacks (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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16:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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