User talk:Craig Neuk
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Alan Fisher (broadcast journalist)
[edit]Hi Craig, Thank you for your edits at Alan Fisher! The article first came to my attention when it was up for AfD, which means "Articles for Deletion." The article was poorly cited, which is the case for many AfDs. In fact, there is a lot of information in history in the Fisher article that is not in the article, but I tried to save the article by locating sources that backed up info that was there.
Articles in Wikipedia have to be backed up with cites from neutral sources. Your contribution for instance about Fisher interviewing Gates will need references. Can you add it? I found the interview at Bill and Melinda Gates: Changing the world
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- On style WP:Cite_sources/example_style
- Cite templates that automates the formatting of information
Please feel free to add more information to his or other articles. I work primarily on journalists if you are interested. I have saved other journalists from deletion, but I primarily work on journalists who have been killed while reporting.
Welcome to Wikipedia! Crtew (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Citation
[edit]Craig, try to fill out the following for Bill and Melinda Gates: Changing the world. I'll double check and make any corrections, and then follow up here with feedback! That way you will learn how to create a cite and be able to make more and more of them. Don't worry, you can't break anything that can't be fixed ;-) Here's the template:
cite news
| last = | first = | title = | newspaper = | location = | pages = | language = | publisher = | date = | url = | accessdate =
Place an open ref (ref between < brackets) and then two of these { at the beginning and two more of these } with a close ref tag goes at the end (the same as the open but with a slash / before the ref). You can always look at an existing reference inside the edited article. Crtew (talk) 22:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Citations
[edit]TIP: Try using the citation templates, see above, instead of just adding a url and a title. One of the problems with that latter approach is that if it ever becomes a dead link, then there is no way to trace back to its source. The other major problem is that it is a problem for readability. Readers want to be able to look at the source list to quickly evaluate the source for themselves and a bare URL robs them of the information they need to do that.
Notability
[edit]TIP: You're adding facts to the article and that is good, but some of the facts in your paragraph under popular culture seem trivial and don't really increase interest in the journalist. They are also unsourced, which means they can be deleted at any time. Now the sourced fact about his football experience. I didn't learn enough from your addition to get an idea about what happened and the source was not properly referenced. Can you add some detail in a brief way? What page number? etc. Here's the citation template for books:
cite book
| last = | first = | authorlink = | title = | publisher = | series = | volume = | edition = | date = | location = | pages = | language = | url = | doi = | id = | isbn =
I corrected the Al Jazeera cite for your. Now, see if you can add a citation for yourself. Crtew (talk) 11:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
New material
[edit]The material that was added was not sourced. This is a biography of a living person and so the rules are very strict about what can be added without references. I couldn't verify any of that material. I did leave the reference to the sporting event, but even that is unclear as the page number is not included. You have to learn to cite your sources! Please try again, Crtew (talk) 23:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Believe it or not, the subject himself/herself is not a verifiable source. In only a few instances has such a transaction been good enough. A Nobel Peace Prize winner complained that her name was transliterated differently than in the mainstream press. That was reasonable, verifiable independently, and was changed immediately. You need to be able to point to a source that documents a fact. More surprising yet, even in a case where the original source has a fact wrong, if the true fact is not sourced, the wrong one cannot be corrected. Wikipedia is not about TRUTH, it's about verifiability. Something important to know! Crtew (talk) 07:47, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Career section
[edit]Craig, No problem! You just forgot the end ref tag. I'm glad to see you using the cite template. You're making great strides now! It's better, however, to find citations that are not written by Alan. That's the only reason I added the cite needed template behind your reference. That's ok, just ignore it. Someone else can see it and try to find a reference for it. So when you close a reference, type out the initial ref with brackets and put a "/" before the "r". Good luck, Crtew (talk) 21:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)