User talk:Cowman109/Archive 2

Barnstar Awarded!!!

Barnstar of Diligence is awarded to Cowman109 for persistent effort to build the quality of Wikipedia - from Kukini 00:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

FA protection

I wasn't aware of the problem. Is it being discussed somewhere by the community so I can read up? Also, I've re-semi-protected the article, so that's taken care of. Thanks. Harro5 01:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I was looking for just the same thing; I can't seem to find any place where a discussion is taking place, though a mysterious user claims to have discovered the provider of the vandal (see his contributions, which apparently were reverted.) Cowman109^Talk 01:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Alkivar_phone_number_vandal is where it's being discussed. Cowman109^Talk 01:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation of Tori Amos edits

Thank you for your assistance. As you can probably see, I have explained to that user WHY I feel the edits are inappropriate. I have also asked the user to register for a free account as anonymous edits are discouraged. It's hard for me to define the user's actions as vandalism since I don't the user intends to cause harm. I think the user is very likely tied into the low budget film in question and just wants the film mentioned on wikipedia somehow. I can relate to this, but the film just simply doesn't qualify for the merits of inclusion in any fashion. I guess the best idea is for you to refer to me to an administrator who can intervene. Thank you again. Pacian 23:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I responded in Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-04 Tori Amos. Feel free to continue the discussion there if needed. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 00:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the smile. That was nice and thoughtful. I appreciate it. jbolden1517^Talk 21:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: My monobook.js

Thank you for your response to my question. Yes, I tried shift-clicking, but that doesn't seem to work. It works every other time, though. The reason I can tell there is something screwy going on is that those two initial slashes are not in the <pre> box, and the following message is not included like it is on the rest of the monobooks:

Note: After saving, you have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. Mozilla/Safari/Konqueror: hold down Shift while clicking Reload (or press Ctrl-Shift-R), IE: press Ctrl-F5, Opera: press F5.

Thanks for your thoughts, though! → J@red  10:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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Languages issues

Hello. I see you also posted to Akidd dublin about language issues. How do you think my message was? too harsh, or tactful enough? I had defended him in a vandalism accusation previously, so I thought he might take a comment from me better. I did try to explain as well as I could, but it's really gut wrenching to try and explain to a good faith editor that they might be better to stop editing because their language isn't up to scratch. Hope you're well, MartinRe 00:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think your message sounded harsh at all. The necessary thing is to get the point across that there are language difficulties and that we hope to find a way to solve them. We could always show him the Wikipedia of his native tongue as well if he hasn't discovered it to still promote positive edits in Wikipedia. Cowman109^Talk 00:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That was my hope too. He seems well meaning, intelligent, but the language issues are overshadowing that. I guess the ideal recommondation for a good, non-english editor would be Main_Page#Wikipedia_languages? Regards, MartinRe 00:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-10 Low quality edits by user with poor English skills

Hi. I see that you have taken the mediation case. However the conflict between the two users may escalate due to the creation User_talk:Fnarf999/Akidd in response to User:Akidd_dublin/cleanup/they_toldme. To help defuse the situation I think both pages should be speedy deleted. BigE1977 03:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I find it interesting: he makes a blog about me. Akidd dublin (abandoned 5/2006) 16:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That's not what you said the first time you edited this user's Talk page, just minutes before this contribution. You said

"Not Hi. The difference is that i am not getting personal. I expressed to him that he shows great rudeness by editing matsuri. He can tell my otherwise how he likes my sites. By wiki terms he is already doing harassment." Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 13:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)"

Bige1977 is absolutely correct; my user page User_talk:Fnarf999/Akidd is inappropriate. I've blanked it, and will delete it completely as soon as someone can tell me how to do so without going through an AfD. But I will defend my edit to matsuri: I removed an html table that you included with NINE additional external links, on top of the five links that were already there. Notice that after you reverted my edit there, an administrator immediately removed even more links than I did. Wikipedia is not a link farm. Fnarf999 17:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Scrolling the history before my edit: it was a much longer list. I was too much convinced breaking something. Technically you are right, fnarf999. However, it looks making a point, because the links were that way for long. Remember "never touch a running system". They can be removed later, when the article extends. To me it it does not look "taking required actiob", but probably it was a good step. One of my edits was to research for related data, and just leave things as they are. Akidd dublin (abandoned 5/2006) 18:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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thank you so much for the nice compliment! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whopper (talk • contribs)

Opentask

I notice you always updating the open task list. Given the recent deletion what do you think about getting rid of that one and going just having people use the main page? Its seems odd to have two pages.... jbolden1517^Talk 22:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The Mediation Cabal opentasks list is included on Wikipedia:Community Portal/Opentask. That in itself is very helpful and it also brings more activity to the Mediation Cabal by people simply seeing us mentioned on the opentasks list. Cowman109^Talk 22:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

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Re:Poor English Skills mediation case

Hi, Cowman. It would be helpful to know how the last mediation was resolved, as there is no indication on the mediation page, other than to say it was resolved by email. I am asking because the situation is now going, and another mediation case is taking place. David L Rattigan 23:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

In the comments by others section of Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-10 Low quality edits by user with poor English skills I elaborated on how the matter was resolved. In a nutshell, my inability to communicate to Akidd-Dublin/Yy-bo forced me to merely suggest to Fnarf999 that he attempt to avoid any further confrontration with the user to prevent more conflicts from rising up. Fnarf was clearly getting a tad stressed by his failed communications so I figured it would be in everyone's best interest if others could try convincing Akidd dublin that his edits have proven troublesome at times, assuming he'd be more receptive to comments by others. My personal opinion, at this point, is that the situation concerning Akidd dublin/Yy-bo should be moved up to formal mediation or arbitration, as this is a complex matter that could serve as a precedent for events in the future. Due to the language barrier, official mediation may be dificult, so I have a feeling arbitration may be inevitable. Cowman109^Talk 23:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Fnarf also replied in your mediation case with the following that pretty much summarizes it Cowman109^Talk 23:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC):

6. As a result of our ongoing dispute, I made a request for mediation myself. I agreed to stop responding to Akidd dublin anywhere except on my own talk page if he posts there. This was resolved AFTER my last edit to matsuri, which is the only example he gives. I don't know what agreements if any he made in the mediation. I suspect that filing his own mediation request was not a part it.

WP:RFP

Copied from AFD: May I ask why you are giving opinions here? This page is for administrators to evaluate requests, it doesn't at all function by community consensus a la WP:AFD. If you aren't an administrator..... it's not that I personally object per se (though it is rather unusual), except that when glancing through the list in a hurry I have a couple of times mistaken one of your responses for one given by an administrator and as a result passed over evaluating the page myself. I hope you don't take offense, but maybe you should leave this page to admins unless you're contesting a decision. · Katefan0 ^(scribble)/poll 20:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, alright. Sorry. I was commenting as I intended to run for adminship in the future and it is generally suggested that people get involved in Wiki processes, so I figured I would comment there to further my understanding of the processes. I'll stick to deletion processes, then. Sorry for the trouble! Cowman109^Talk 20:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

<laugh> No it's okay. I felt like a bit of a bitch for even saying anything because I admire your willingness to jump in. But it was getting a little confusing. No hard feelings I hope and I encourage you to get involved in the village pump, discussions on AN/I, helping out with disputes on RFC, vandalfighting to your heart's content, etc. Let me know if I can ever be of any help. · Katefan0 ^(scribble)/poll 21:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

immediate attention

There is a page requiring your immediate attention. Please respond ASAP! jbolden1517^Talk 02:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the way that worked out. I figured you'd get it. Well I guess the good news was until the pileon at the very end that the yes were enthusiastic and the nos reluctant. Everyone was basically unanimous that you were "admin material" and for the nos all you needed to do was get 500-1000 main-space edits and you'll get admin. Nothing negative came up at all. That's nice to know 9 months and you haven't made any enemies. Don't lose hope 20 edits / day x 50 days = 1000 edits.

Your friend,

Jeff (jbolden1517^Talk 00:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC))

Newton North and South grads

It seems you arbitrarily deleted names when you combined them.

On what basis did you decide who should be listed and who should be deleted?

Very anti-wiki if you ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.210.208 (talk • contribs)

Sorry if I deleted any names - if I did it was completely unintentional. Thanks for informing me of this though; I'll look into the logs to see which ones were missed and place them back in. Cowman109^Talk 18:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

TfD's of Userboxes

To be clear, I wasn't really looking for a Cabalist to jump into this issue as much as I'm trying to get some advice how to reach resolution with the participants. If I need to take this to WP:AN, I guess I can, but I'm still kind of green here, and not 1000% comfortable walking in the hall of the giants just yet.  :-) Advice? Suggestions? Ideas?--Ssbohio 02:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

If you'd like, I could make a comment on the administrator's noticeboard on your behalf with a link to the mediation case, if you'd rather not jump into the situation yourself. Such an issue is very complex and would require the consensus of other administrators from my understanding. Cowman109^Talk 02:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

If you see that as a good way to proceed, I'm happy with it. I'm not looking to solve the "userbox wars." I'm just hoping for a cease-fire, since fighting over each userbox individually seems a tremendous waste of time bordering on WP:POINT.--Ssbohio 02:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Had you made any comments in WP:AN? I doidn't see anything, but, then again I'm not sure I know where to look.  :-) --Ssbohio 00:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry. Your last comment was made as I was going to bed yesterday and I completely forgot to post it. I will do that now, thanks for reminding me! I'll link you to it shortly, heheh. Cowman109^Talk 01:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I have posted a summary of the situation here. You may reply if you'd like, but don't feel pressured into jumping into things. Wikipedia decisions are based on consensus, so hopefully administrators will discuss the matter at hand and come to some sort of conclusion concerning the amount of TfDs of userboxes. Do you need anything else? Cowman109^Talk 01:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

You've been great, man. Can I buy you a beverage of some kind? :-) --Ssbohio 02:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I do enjoy soy milk. Cowman109^Talk 02:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

And here I didn't even know cows ate soy... Does WP:BEANS apply to soy beans?  :-) --Ssbohio 02:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

It does now! Cowman109^Talk 03:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Boldly breaking the indent chain... Cyde has recently closed two userbox TfDs as deletes where the clear consensus seemed to be not to delete. Could you look at these two and tell me what you think I should do?--Ssbohio 18:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe Cyde was the one who deleted the pages - my guess is, from the edit history, that it was Tony Sidaway. The best idea would be to politely ask him why the articles were deleted, referring him to the template for deletion consensus of keep. Cowman109^Talk 22:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Exc itingly enough, the situation with Cyde spun completely out of control. Based on his stated reason for deleting (and not checking the deletion log -- my bad), I brought the two to WP:DRV/U. It was only there that Cyde mentioned anything about Tony, or about these being T1 speedy'd. While that was going on, Tony went to WP:AN/I and removed the request for admin intervention & subsequent discussion, moving it to TfD's talk page. In the midst of all this, someone filed an RFAr against Cyde, regarding sockpuppetry & also bringing up the userbox deletions. Wherever you look, Cyde's talk page, users' talk pages (like Aaron Brenneman), etc., there are Cyde issues (pardon the pun). The whole thing is ridiculous...--Ssbohio 15:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank-you

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails. Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales. If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate. For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate! ♫Bucketsofg✐♪

Short essays on Wikipedia

isn't it funny how nobody understands, did I say oh I'll just ruin this sight by putting up a short story, no it's more than that, but you guys don't listen. Don't get me wrong I do love this sight and i really think it's awesume, but this was a town experiment. So everyone can read it in the town. This was the only good sight that everyone could get on so I wouldn't have to print out 1500 copies of the 15 page story. I'm sorry but honestly out of all fairness... why'd you do that... unless of course you like ruining a towns dream... more importantly my dream! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Broccolirock17 (talk • contribs) .

Sorry, but unfortunately Wikipedia does not work that way. There are still ways to get people of your town to see your story, though. You may want to look up a free website provider, such as Angelfire, and then you can get people from your town to go to the website there. Cowman109^Talk 20:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

About that...

Okay, I'm really really sorry. I guess I did over react and you're just doing what you're supposed to do. I'll try and see if any other articles have any mistakes and I'll fix them. I'm really sorry I hope you don't think I'm a rude person. wow... I feel so bad! Deepest apologies!

                                 -Brock-

No worries. Oh, and it's easier to leave your signature if you type ~~~~ . That will leave your username and the timestamp automatically. Happy editing, and good luck with your writing! Cowman109^Talk 20:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for message

Thank you for the message, I will try to remember to use edit summaries. I have been busy because I am an admin candidate.

Geo.plrd 20:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Talk

Thanks.

Thanks for everything, and I'm sorry again. Also, on the Cry wolf page, there's three characters, Owen, Dodger, and Tom. Would you by chance know how to add other characters, because I know a lot about Cry wolf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Broccolirock17 (talk • contribs)

If you click on the small edit to the top right of the bold text that reads Characters on the page, you can add headings to add more characters by following the format used for other characters. You simply type in === around the heading titles. and it should format nicely. Cowman109^Talk 21:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and of course you can do the same by clicking 'edit htis page' up at the top of every Wiki page! But that's a bit more cluttered and you'd have to search through the entire article to find the spot you want to edit. Cowman109^Talk 21:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal info on Talk: page

Thanks for letting me know; I think the other admins did exactly the right thing. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiLove

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Mediation Cabal

Doh! I missed that, thanks for pointing it out. As you say it isnt obvious -- Tmorton166 (Errant Emote)  ^talk 19:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

New cow image

Like it? — ßottesiηi ^(talk) 22:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahahah, it's wonderful! Thank you very much! :D Now to stick it on my user page (Oh and sorry for making it half as big to not clutter up the talk page too much, heh). Cowman109^Talk 22:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

June 2006

Picard

I am sorry for confusing Xavier with Picard. It's just whenever i see Patrick Stewart onscreen i can't help thinking at Picard. (Ex Pluribus Unum 19:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

Hah, no worries. I admit it was a tad funny though, but please try to refrain from adding things like that in the future. Happy editing! Cowman109^Talk 19:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

RE: medcab

Thanks for letting me know; I'm going to take a look now. --Xyrael ^T 21:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

R. L. Stine revert

Thanks for reverting. I don't know how to and was working on a revision to the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dleav (talk • contribs) .

Sure thing. If you go into the history and open up the version you want to revert to, if you hit save (might want to check the preview first to make sure you're not reverting to the wrong version), it will revert it nicely. Cowman109^Talk 02:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I did the best that I could to paraphrase and write the copyrighted material in my own words. In the External Links section, the site where I got my information is listed as "Official Site"--Dleav 02:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. The earlier edits appeared to be direct copy-and-paste edits of the official website, but I see now that it does differ from the website. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 02:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Jimbos Picture

haha , lol wondering when someone would spot that, heh well done, if its not already been done i'll restore the orginial pic. All the changes were done in paint shop pro, jsut testing how good i was at image manipulation, heh i can't draw a thig, but i'm actually ok at edting other people's pictures, well i think so anyway, the rest of the world probably would disagree. Anway, hope i didn't cause any problems Have a nice day.

Matthew 02:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The only reason I saw the picture was because it was reverted - out of curiosity I checked to see why, and lo and behold the extra button. Cowman109^Talk 02:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

69.169.91.81

Thank you for changing it. At the time, I reverted the page probably at the same time he changed it, didn't realize he did, and went to his talk page to give him the message. --AssistantX 23:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, but I'm not an administrator. I reported it on WP:AIV after you told me this, but it seems he or she was already blocked as you said! Happy editing. Cowman109^Talk 21:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Now, could you help please?

Thank you so much for helping me wth the mediation request. I have indeed filled in the form. As evidence, I included numerous statements/comments/accusations etc of Midgley's. I could add much more, but this should be ample. I really want this personal attack stopped! He has made the Rfd of G. Patrick Maxwell a brawl, and then called for premature closure because it has turned into a brawl! I have never seen anyone so vitriolic or anyone who has gone to such lengths to intimidate and bully. HIs buddy DrOliver has been insulting, but he pales in comparison to the continued onslaught of attack that Midgley has engaged in.MollyBloom 01:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. I haven't had a chance to look over the situation, but the first thing I would recommend you do is take a deep breath and remember that a bunch of 0's and 1's on someone's computer shouldn't be causing so much stress to people :). I am going to bed now but I will see if I can help you out tomorrow if someone else hasn't agreed to take the case before me. Cowman109^Talk 02:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Your comments on the mediaton page are PERFECT (well, almost, since mIdgely made as many arguments about a delete vote as I did a keep vote). In fact, I moved most of the 'arguments' to the discussion page. But that is trivial. The point is that the fighting needs to stop. I have never seen anyone make such a determined and relentless attack. It is astonishing, and that should say a lot coming from a lawyer.  ;-)

Oh, and of course 1's and 0's are generally more discreet than analog. Oh god, I couldn't resist. Sorry. That is the nerd in me.  ;-) MollyBloom

Any time. Just remember that on the internet words can be interpreted in the wrong way quite often, so try to avoid such a conflict in the future. If you feel that you are being attacked in some way, instead of directly replying to person, it is often a good idea to personally ask someone else, such as an administrator, about their take on the matter so the conflict can be prevented from escalating any further through the use of a third party (arguments with only 2 people don't usually get very far!) :) . Cowman109^Talk 22:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that advice. I will do so. However, I do not think the insults are fizzling out. Now Midgely is not only insulting me, he is insulting other users about other disputes and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with this, and he is insulting lawyers as a profession. Could you bring this to the attention of an admin who will do something about it? This should not be allowed to stay.

I will not say anything more on this discussion page. But I t hink Midgely has gone over the edge.MollyBloom 22:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your cooperation. Happy editing! Cowman109^Talk 22:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. But will you show another admin the lastest diatribe, so somebody can delete it, and restore some semblance of sanity? I have to say I am stunned that nobody has done anything about it sooner.MollyBloom 22:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, but glancing over his comments I don't see anything that attempts to be a personal attack. As I've said before, ignoring it would be the best bet. Oh, and it appears he's apologising to you by offering you a cookie on your talk page. :) Cowman109^Talk 22:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

There are numerous personal attacks. Personal attacks do not have to be direct, as in "you are stupid". Unfortuantely, the worst kind are the kind that have been propagated on the Rfd page

I see that M has offered me half a cooke. Amazing. If you were able to get him to stop badgering, then my hat is off to you. You should go into legal mediation as a profession.MollyBloom 22:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

This is M's latest, which I deleted.

What do I do now, Cowman? [1] Midgley 22:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I have left a note on her talk page asking her to not remove any more comments. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and thanks for coming to me about this (err, that was redundant. Sorry about that). Cowman109^Talk 22:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. The whole diatribe was out of line. I hope that the other M stops such badgering. I appreciate half a cookie that the other M offered. Now let's hope it extends to the Wiki pages. I also might suggest the other M also restrain himself from attacking any editors, not just me. MollyBloom 22:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

We need Cowman here

Since Cowman seems so very good at mediating disputes between doctors and lawyers, I urge him please come to my state where there is an all out war and ongoing efforts by both factions to change the state constitution.

As soon as I figure out how to make those little thingees on user pages for accolades, I will send one his way.MollyBloom 23:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Heh, thanks, but in all seriousness all I really did was ask both of you guys to walk your separate ways. Anyone could have done that (the cookie giving was all him). Just remember to Assume Good Faith and all will be well. Cowman109^Talk 23:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you for your help! What is the procedure to retrieve a deleted graphic? I no longer have access to a scanner, is there a way to retrieve a deleted graphic anyway? Thanks, Chris 02:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Please help again

Please tell DrOliver to stop blanking a section he doesn't like on the G. Patrick maxwell article. Other editors have weighed in on t his. Midgely helped compromise. Another said it was "excellent" (see votes on Rfd), and only DrOliver continues blanking, after requests were made for him to stop. MollyBloom 04:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

By all means examine this. An inflamatory paragraph written out of spite (about someone she doesn't know anything about personally or professionally) about an obscure 20 year old med-mal case that she doesn't even know the outcome to does not belong in a biography. I've asked her before even considering this to produce anything which substantiated the claims in that case & she cannot do it. If you can't even reach that bar, any discussion of relevency is premature. This is not asking much. Droliver 06:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I see Oliver is still accusing editors of bad motives. He really needs to look at the rules on civility. I might also ask if the claim to fame on this man is free trans flap, why the separate statement about how he is a 'strong advocate of silicone impants'? Is that relevant to his accomplishments, such that they are? I don';t think so.MollyBloom 20:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I think someone needs to tell Oliver that his insults are not welcome on wikopedia. There is no 'spite' here. This is ludicrous and insulting.MollyBloom 20:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Once we get everyone into the mediation page I will address the matter of civility further (and it's Wikipedia, not Wikopedia. :) ) Cowman109^Talk 20:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. And now I will spell Wikipedia correctly. It was an unconscious habit. oi. MollyBloom 17:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Oliver is still deleting

Even while we are in mediation, Oliver is deleting the section. I didn't place it back - someone else did. WOuld you please ask Oliver to stop doing this? It is not the consensus, and it adds more weight to my original premise which is that Oliver intended the article as a vanity piece, and is way too emotionally vested in it.MollyBloom 17:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

My signature

Sure, not a problem; thanks for notifying me. —Whomp [T] [C] 21:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :D. Cowman109^Talk 21:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

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IGN edits

Sorry, I was using VandalProof, and apparently sometime between the time where I reverted the edit and your entry, much more vandalism occurred, and thus it registered my edit as vandalism. Hopefully this clears up any confusion. Anthony Hit me up... 01:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Eh, I had the exact same problem. Apparently by the time my revert was saved two other people had edited before me.. I think some of my edits popped up at vandalism too. Having 5 people trying to revert the article at once does seem to confuse vandalproof a bit. :) Cowman109^Talk 01:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: IGN

Fascinating... that should not have happened. I'll keep an eye on that in the future, thanks. :) RadioKirk talk to me 02:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

RE: Protection of a vandal's usepage

Hi. Thanks for letting me know. I'd prefer to leave it unprotected if at all possible, so that they have the option to request an unblock. If they keep removing the warnings I'd suggest leaving it for a while and letting them get bored (and then reverting it back). I'll keep an eye on it. If they start to make personal attacks or do anything else that might warrant protection, please let me or another admin know. Cheers TigerShark 18:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Usually the way! :) Cheers TigerShark 18:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Trying to add info to 2006 Indian Anti-reservation Protests

Hi, I am user with IP 198.110.106.226. I am sorry, I haven't really edited wikipedia a lot of times before. I was trying to add this text to the page as the last thing in events section:

Voice4Democracy.org : A site aimed to promote democracy Priyanshu Mutreja, a celebrity student from New Delhi, India, and Parvin Mutreja, his father, have launched a site Voice4Democracy.org : A site aimed to promote democracy] which has a petition online, for people to sign, opposing reservation issue.

I don't know why it's deleting text from the page. Please let me know the best way to add this without deleting and why it's doing that. Also, if you want to add it yourself, please feel free to do it. Also, let me know how I can use Sandbox, and if it is to be downloaded, let me know the link.

Ah, I'm not quite sure why all those parts of the page are being deleted. You might want to make sure that you're not accidentally overwriting any text in the edit window. As for the sandbox, you can just click this link: WP:Sandbox and edit it just as you would edit any other page to test with things. Cowman109^Talk 19:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it appears some of your message didn't appear on my talk page either- it appears you missed the </ref> tag after you made the reference, which may have something to do with it. Cowman109^Talk 19:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, I'd recommend that you create an account here so people are less likely to mistake your edits as vandalism. It also offers you more privacy as your IP address is no longer displayed to users when you have an account. Cowman109^Talk 19:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Let me try again, and let me see the preview and use the view changes feature. If it looks the same in preview, I will save it. Otherwise, will leave it. Just in case it looks good in preview, but not with actual view, please don't restrict me. Just revert the page, and I will make sure not to do it again. Thanks for your suggestion, I have created and account :) Priyanshu 19:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, I forgot to mention that the show preview button helps, too. :) That does tend to solve things too. Happy editing! Cowman109^Talk 19:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I got your tutorials etc. Looks like I got it to edit properly now, without deleting any information :) Priyanshu 19:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Re-factoring.

My mistake; I didn't realize you were the mediator. I got Dogcow confused with Cowman109 :) Ral315 (talk) 04:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Interiot's Tool2 Edit Counter

Hiya! I noticed on your userpage that you've got a link to the "blank" Tool2 page. I have a couple bits of code you might like:

Cowman109's Edit Counts (requires Interiot Tool2) <- So you can link directly to your editcounts if you'd like. :)

and, something I use that you might want to consider: User:Kylu/editcount.js adds a "Edit counts" to your toolbox. When you are on a user's user or talkpage, clicking that brings up the editcounts for that user.

One last thing I use: User:Kylu/userlog.js to make a shortcut to the action logs for that user. I'm sure I don't have to tell you how to add those to your monobook if you'd like them. :)

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Heh, thanks for that. I usually use the edit count display when looking at RFAs. Wikipedia:Editcountitis should be avoided, so I try not to use it for myself. Your script to add the edit count to the toolbox is quite an interesting idea, so I think I will use that. Thanks. :) Cowman109^Talk 23:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Patrick Maxwell mediation

I'm still awaiting resolution on the mediation on this [[2]]

There continues to be no case presented that establishes relevency of a fragment of an obscure med-mal claim from 20 years ago. NONE. What is being argued for is the inclusion of an innuendo who's principles were in fact was never established in court. That aside, where is any relevency to this in the first place? Neither I nor Midgely can understand why this continues to be a cause celeb for the principle antagonist with this entryDroliver 16:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your time

I am actually quite grateful for your attention; I would have hesitated to ask you for it but now I see someone else has asked for me. This is the best aspect of the whole affair. Ideogram 23:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you recommend I immediately pass off most of my cases or let them dwindle through attrition? I actually feel all the other cases are going quite well. Ideogram 23:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I won't force you to give up any cases, but I am trying to work on getting the Mediation Cabal to get used to more of a community consensus form of mediation. Perhaps just leaving a note on the case list of any cases of yours that don't appear to be going smoothly that the opinion or advice of another mediator would be helpful. If you feel they are going well, then don't stop, as that would be counter-productive of course :). Cowman109^Talk 23:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I am currently working with jbolden to try to revive the mediation I have labelled as "failed". Ideogram 23:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

Dear Cowman109/Archive 2,
Thank you very much for your support on my recent RfA. I am pleased to announce that it passed with a tally of 72/11/1, and I am now an administrator. I'll be taking things slowly at first and getting used to the tools, but please let me know if there are any admin jobs I can do to help you, now or in the future. —Cuiviénen 02:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sprint Nextel

I really need some help with Locust43/Cola2706. He used to use the name Locust43, and then started deleting everything he could out of spite. So he was kicked off of Wikipedia. Then he made his new account Cola2706, and has started to do the samething again. Is there anyway you can warn him? Take a look at the Sprint Nextel profiles History page & discussion page history to see what he has been doing. I have tried my best to make peace, but I think he is a kid. He will not discuss this matter with me, he would just rather delete my topic posts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CDMACORE (talk • contribs) .

I have left a message on the page of the administrator who blocked Locust indefinitely to see what he thinks should be done. There does appear to be a bit of evidence that shows they are likely the same user. Cowman109^Talk 21:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Cowman109! Trust me, he is the same person. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CDMACORE (talk • contribs) .

I would recommend that you try not to provoke him though if he is the same person. Going around announcing it simply seems to make him angrier. :) Also, if you type ~~~~ after your comments, it will leave your signature. That way it's easier for people to know who they're speaking to, hehe. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 21:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I will leave it up to the mods. He just really bothers me, because he kept getting me into trouble for things he would do to me. CDMACORE 21:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: A user you unblocked

At Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Ip_Problem you explained that you unblocked the IP 68.113.77.49. The user claimed that they did not know who Locust was, but there appears to be a bit of evidence that they are indeed the same person (a possible attempt to circumvent the block?). I left a message on the administrator who originally indefinitely blocked Locust43 at User_talk:Tijuana_Brass#A_sockpuppet_of_a_user_you_blocked, but it appears Tijuana is on a Wikibreak. Cola2706 appears to be jumping back into the problems that got him blocked in the first place, as showed by the message I left Tijuana. So, I came here to ask if you could look over this and see what should be done. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 15:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I just looked through the IP's contributions, and this link confirms that they are indeed the same user. The user does seem to be trying to fix the problem, but they are being a tad disruptive in my opinion by lying about the unblock request and continuing the behavior that got them blocked in the first place. Cowman109^Talk 15:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

IP addresses usually shouldn't be blocked indefinitely, and the DNS for it looks like a dynamic IP. Looking at the IP's contributions doesn't mean anything, since it is already known Locust43 used that IP. However, comparing not only the contributions of both Locust43 and Cola2706, but also their dates, it not only shows a quite similar editing pattern, but also that Cola2706 started editing just after Locust43 got indefinitely blocked. I will check their contributions in more detail, and if I'm convinced, I'll indefinitely block the second account as a sockpuppet used to work around a block, and block the IP address for some time (probably one year; as I said, these kinds of IP addresses shouldn't be blocked indefinitely). Thanks for informing me of the situation. --cesarb 15:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

ReadyMade/Anthony

Please note the latest discussion at Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers in which ReadyMade/Anthony insists he is not affiliated with the fansite link he keeps adding, contradicting his earlier statements, and keeps asking anyone who questions him to prove they are not affiliated with fansites.

I find it impossible to assume good faith about this user and probably will not participate any further. Ideogram 22:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I have NOT contradicted any of my statements! I was asked if I was affiliated with stadium-arcadium. My answer was no and still remains the same. I have responded to the question truthfully and have not contradicted myself ANYWHERE. ReadyMade 19:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Busted. [3]. IrishGuy ^talk 19:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Learn the definition of the word 'affiliate' and then come back to me when you have sufficiently educated yourself. Thanks, ReadyMade 18:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Let's stop this right here, please. 1) My talk page isn't the place for arguing and 2) accusing eachother of these things are not productive. Thank you. Cowman109^Talk 18:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

RHCP concensus

Heya, I think you're possibly opening this debate up to response from new users from fansites. I don't think a fair concensus can be achieved if the fansite supporters organize themselves to respond (i.e. emailing users via fansite mailing lists) to the debate.maxcap 23:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, if they open accounts and join Wikipedia, that is better for Wikipedia. Ideogram 23:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It's better for wikipedia, but not for the debate. maxcap 23:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

We have to keep the big picture in mind. Ideogram 23:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The thing is if any new users sign up specifically for this debate, they are unfamiliar with policies and the reasoning behind them.maxcap 23:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

As long as they are willing to listen, we will explain our policies and reasoning to them. If they are not willing to listen, their opinions will not apply. This is why Wikipedia is not a democracy. Ideogram 23:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Maxcap does have a point, but nonetheless I was at least hoping for a way to turn the attention away from accusations of being affiliated back to a search for a compromise. :) Any direction away from accusations and personal attacks is generally a plus. Cowman109^Talk 23:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

At the same time we have to keep in mind that we are aiming to come to a final compromise at some stage. ReadyMade 19:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we keep in mind that personal attacks are not allowed, as well. Ideogram 19:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

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Med Cab

Hi, I wanted to join med cab and help out there, and I've added the page to my watchlist, and was just wondering if there's anything else that I should do. Or can I just add my name to Some Current cabalists (mediators) and just get to it? Thanks for the help, The Halo (talk) 19:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The Mediation Cabal is an informal process, so feel free to add your name to the list (there isn't procedure concerning that). Before you jump into mediating cases you should take a look at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Suggestions for mediators (which has recently undergone quite a few changes). It may be a good idea to work on cases that appear to be simple and not too heated at first to get used to how things work. The thing I cannot stress enough is to ask for help and suggestions if you ever need them. Cowman109^Talk 19:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I can't wait to get started and help out. The Halo (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

More personal insults by user 999

You have just removed personal insults by user 999.

This comment he has made in the latest post on my talk page is damatory and egregrious. And also deeply insulting.

Please could I see about blocking user 999 he has stepped way over the line on this one, and you made a note on his talk page to warn him about doing this.

This was his posting made after your posting to his talk page.

I tried to help you. You discounted every one of my suggestions and started paranoid claims I was a member of HOGD, Inc., sockpuppet of JMax or Zos, refused to enter into any kind of discussion, and continue to lie your ass off about your actual motives. Your whole intent is to slander a living person in order to falsely exalt your laughing-stock of an order, and that is such low behaviour I bet even your mother hates you. Please note that Wikipedia is not therapy. Thanks. (P.S. I see you still haven't figured out how to indent. Bright) -999 (Talk) 22:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Frater_FiatLux"

He is stepping way over the line here mentioning even my mother. I would request that you block him for 24 or 48 hours to let him cool down. An admin has just edited the messages to take out the offending parts. But could you please see about blocking this user for a short while to let him cool down.

Frater FiatLux 22:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I tried to refactor his second attack but someone else got to it before me. If he persists, I will see to it that he recieves the final warning personal attack template and then I will report him to the proper channels if it is necessary at WP:PAIN. I recommend that you just don't respond to any further insulting comments he makes to you and ignore him in the interest of turning the attention towards the mediation request. Cowman109^Talk 22:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I've just made more suggestions to the mediation file but 999 has edited them already. Every effort I make on the mediation file gets edited by 999. He provided commentary and I had to reply, he has now struck lines through my suggestions. Frater FiatLux 22:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Frater_FiatLux"

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-13 Conservatism

Heyas! I appreciate you stepping in to assist with my case. I think I managed to pick a sensitive topic to mediate, hey? Anyway, if you have any suggestions for me, I'd appreciate them! (In the case of information of a sensitive nature, please feel free to use my email. I check it daily.) ~Kylu (u|t) 03:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Request for mediation re Dion Fortune page.

I apologise in advance if I am asking a silly question. I have just filled in an application for mediation for the Dion Fortune page. I followed the instructions and saved the page however the page is not showing up on the "Cases in need of mediation" list. Have I done something incorrectly or will it show up in time? Thnaks for your time.

Morgan Leigh 04:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I have worked out what I did wrong and I have corrected my mistake. Sorry.

Morgan Leigh 11:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Violation of Mediation

Please take a look at the following articles, where user Kephera975 and Frater FiatLux have both violated their agreement to have these articles subject to mediation by reverting to articles with derogatory claims, including claims of Satanism.

• The Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Sodalitas Rosae Crucis et Solis Alati (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Ordo Stella Matutina (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• The Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Thanks, -66.219.59.51 16:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

999

I saw your message on 999's talk page. That's fine with me, however, I deleted some old messages off my talk page to make more room, and he reverts them back. 999, also removed my comments to his talk page with the comment: "stay off my talk page farter Lux", which is inapropreiate and uncivil. Can you please arrange it so that 999 stay's away from my talk page as he's left messages there ahain today. Nothing uncivil but I think that we should aviod each other for the time being. He went way too far last night and I do not appreciate him at the moment leaving messages of kind. I realise I have to archive though if I need more room, but it doesn't excuse the fact that 999 can delete my comments and I carn't delete his because he reverts them back. Please tell him to refrain from doing this.

Frater FiatLux 16:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I have done so. He has also been blocked for 3 hours apparently for editing your user page, so hopefully that may cool tell him to back off as well. You may want to archive your talk page anyway, though, as it does appear to be getting a bit long. :) Cowman109^Talk 16:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Inventional Vandalism?

Hi. The tags are immaterial and were not what I was refering to, but they belong on the talk page, not on the article. Please look carefully at the changes to the article. You'll have to read both first paragraphs because the addition of the tag deliberately confuses the diff generator so the changes to the first paragraph don't get called out. I wasn't refering to the tags, but to the deliberate libel added to the articles. ---Baba Louis 16:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes. I now see the small changes to the paragraph. True, Frater probably should have not altered the paragraph in that matter. Cowman109^Talk 16:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Please note this change which was reverted by someone else. It specifically labels a group which his order views as competition as "Satanic" - this is the essence of what he has been doing all along - modifying the descriptions of other orders to cast them in a bad light with uncited personal opinions. Can't somebody stop him from doing this? ---Baba Louis

I'll bring this to his attention and ask him to stop. Thanks for telling me. Cowman109^Talk 17:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cowman. I would like to mention that the above user BabaLouis making this complaint has decided to edit my user page and and label myself as a "Satanist" on my own page. Just check the history on my user page. Thank you. Kephera975 05:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

mediation case

I would like to mediate 2006-06-20 Crimean war but this case also involves Ghirlandajo and I seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot with him. I would prefer it if you mediate this case with me assisting. (you can reply here I'll watchlist you) Ideogram 17:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually about to be a bit busy in real life so I won't be able to get too heavily involved in another case (I'm already juggling with 3 at the moment and am busy keeping things civil between several editors in an unrelated incident). You could ask Jbolden or simply invite others to come help with the mediation (or could even speak with user:Kim Bruning about an experimental guerilla mediation of it. :) ) Cowman109^Talk 17:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That's too bad, I enjoy mediating with you. I think our styles complement each other. Ideogram 17:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Taiwan

User:Chiang Kai-shek is being obstreperous about User:The Halo's proposal to have two separate portals, one for Taiwan and one for the ROC. This seems like a great solution to me, but Chiang Kai-shek is insisting that there should be only one portal and it should be called Portal:ROC. I really don't know how to deal with this; could use your help. Ideogram 07:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. This is just a short message supporting Ideogram's statement. It seems that Chiang Kai-shek is opposed to any suggestion other than is own. I would greatly apriciate it if you could have a look at this issue. Thanks. The Halo (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for coming in to sort out the closing there. I think that you'll agree we wern't getting anywhere with the case, and it was right to close it. Is there any tips you can give me based on what you've seen at Portal talk:Taiwan (I just hope it's not 'Just leave Med Cab, your not cut out for it!!) Thank you. The Halo (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

PS, if the Portal:Taiwan case is still in mediation, with you in charge now, may I please assit with it, as I would like to see it through. Thanks. The Halo (talk) 16:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The only thing that really went wrong is that the case was closed. The 'if you don't cooperate we will send you to arbcom' argument is threatening and doesn't get much done. Simply put, I don't believe cases can fail. I believe that as we are an informal process, there's nothing from stopping us from directing them and or starting routes of alternate dispute resolution. Arbitration should be the absolute last step. Cowman109^Talk 16:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I've changed my comments on the portal talk so that it doesn't seem like I'm just pushing them to arbcom, which wasn't what I meant. I just didn't know where to send the case next. Thank you for your help, and for your comments. The Halo (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cowman, I already filed the ArbCom request. Sorry I was focused on the request file that I didn't see your comment at the Portal talk. What should I do? Can I just delete the request entry? — Nrtm81 17:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I replied on the portal talk page as well, but there's no harm in leaving it there. There is always a chance that it will be accepted. Cowman109^Talk 17:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

If I went via the RfC medium, would their concensus be Wikipedia-binding? What I'm aiming for is to settle on an accepted portal name so that it is publically known to all Wikipedians that the portal name stays. Otherwise other people will keep suggesting different things about what the portal name should be. At least with a fixed portal name, Wikipedians can move on to more productive work. — Nrtm81 17:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

No, an RFC is just a way to guage community consensus. By having neutral parties look into the matter, other opinions could be brought in that may reveal something that was not clear before. I'm getting ahead of myself, though. Let's just see how the Arbitration request goes, so we can do this one step at a time :). Cowman109^Talk 17:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Is it too late to retract the ArbCom request? I think there's a solution to this mess. Please check the talk page. I think Chiang Kai-shek will agree with the solution. I'm off to bed now, will check on the results six hours from now. If the ArbCom request can be retracted, could you do so if possible? Thanks. — Nrtm81 20:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll leave a message on the talk page of WP:RFAR and ask for it to be retracted. I'm not sure what procedure is for that exactly, so I guess it's best to ask those who are. Cowman109^Talk 20:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Would it be bad idea to file an RFAR against User:Chiang Kai-shek while the RFAR regarding the portal name is still pending? Ideogram 17:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Probably. Plus for user conduct you might want to see a RFC first before jumping to that level. Cowman109^Talk 17:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

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Maxwell

The mediation is dead, clearly. Other editors have weighed in and agree that the lawsuit meets Wiki standards, as long as it is reported NPOV. Oliver can not pick and choose what he wants to push his POV. MollyBloom 20:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes he did. There are TWO lawsuits, one that we discussed and the other another edited, that discussed the release of parties in the federal class action.MollyBloom 20:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

He changed the fed release discussion to only point out that Maxwell had several patents (which is unsubstantiated) and deleted the other lawsuit entirely.MollyBloom 20:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Keeping conversation on your talkpage, instead. Cowman109^Talk 20:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good.MollyBloom 20:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Please ask Oliver again not to talk to me directly, and not to post on my talk page.MollyBloom 22:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Wahl

In the Wahl case I was waiting for a user to respond, I will put that on the case page. Sorry for the inconvenience.Geo. 21:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I just came here to say the same thing. Anyway, looks like it is being taken care of.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 22:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

medcabal

I've decided not to "officially" take on any more medcabal cases, but rather try to help in the background by looking into cases and making comments and participating as a private citizen in mediations that interest me. I think I work better in a team than as the lead mediator. (watchlisted) Ideogram 05:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Halo and arbcom

I think we should either endorse or not endorse Halo's statement. It looks like the case is not going to get accepted. Anyway you are familiar with it I just think we need to make an actual endorsement of his position or not. jbolden1517^Talk 13:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ironicly enough, this is pretty much what I came to talk with you about ;) I put in my comment at ArbCom at the time because I thought that we were close to a break through on the issue. However, I think that we're about as far away from fixing this thing now as ever. Chiang hasn't added to the discussion since he told people to "Live with it", dispite being active yesterday. He might just have been busy though, so I'm not so worried about that. However, Nrtm81 has now said "I better not keep considering things. My stance is Portal:Taiwan, no compromise on the name of the portal". He also said "Maybe it was my mistake to ask for mediation since I didn't want a change in the portal name" because of this I feel that this line of mediation has hit a dead end. I wanted to know (I realise that I took a long time to get to this question, but, you know...) wheather I should refer this case to Med Com, remove my comments for ArbCom, and let them deal with it (though they can't decide it's name, which is what Ntrm81 wants) or just leave the case open in case anything changes? Thank you. The Halo (talk) 09:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The above question has been delt with on jbolden1517's talk page. However, if you feel that you want to comment on any part of it, feel free! The Halo (talk) 13:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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Why is a Wikipedian permitted to use a terrorist username (User:UpTheRa)?? In case you did not know it, "Up the 'Ra" is a pro-Irish Republican Army slogan.

This is in violation of Wikipedia rules barring "provocatine" usernames.

Why is this tolerated?? As an American, I am offended, particularly given the consensus that has emerged post-9/11. If I used an offensive term for a username. I have no doubt I would be blocked immediately.

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The user appears to have only created their account a few days ago, so if the username is inappropriate it probably went under the radar. I'll speak with an administrator and see what should be done. Cowman109^Talk 20:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Banu Nadir

I meant I was going to ask that protection would be removed,Sorry for the inconvenience. Geo. 19:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Battle of the Dneiper

Sure, I'll mediate it. Looks like it's a matter of finding the right word.Arthur Ellis 01:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Elections

I am sorry that you consider elections to be a threat against you as the coordinator. I consider elections a vehicle for legitimacy. Regardless of political differences regarding Kim's status I do not think you are justified in removing my name from the list of mediators. I find it very troubling that people who claim to head dispute resolution services refuse to make use of wikipedia's dispute resolution. I hope at some point you become willing to have an election and win rather than be appointed to the coordinator position. jbolden1517^Talk 23:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The only place that really needs an election is Arbcom. The cabal does not need an election as it is an informal process - and the coordinator position has always been appointed. Besides, the coordinator position is entirely superficial - everything a coordinator can do, every other mediator can do. I'm sorry that things had to end this way. Cowman109^Talk 02:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Well if you don't consider elections a threat against you, you should let Kim know. He's running around "defending" you against my horrible threat of holding elections. Even a report to AN/I to watch out for the mad election vandal. Anyway I guess until someone decides to run against you it really doesn't matter. Its looking more and more like the only people on the discussion board are me, you, Kim, robchurch and TWPPC. jbolden1517^Talk 02:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The thing is there are no elections. It was stated in the past that there would be none. And I suggest you re-read through the e-mail that you sent me. It's not productive to have this conversation on my talk page anyway :) Cowman109^Talk 02:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments to medcom! This could turn into a happy ending. 02:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

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