User talk:Coppertwig/NPOV

"Furthermore, one may not be able to write about a subject in a neutral manner if the subject completely lacks independent secondary sources of reasonable reliability and quality."
"If a fringe theory meets notability requirements, secondary reliable sources would have commented on it, disparaged it, or discussed it. Otherwise it is not notable enough for Wikipedia."

Coppertwig (talk) 23:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

C-NPOV

I could argue that C-NPOV isn't NPOV, but merely a temporary compromise, like the name implies. Quite often, such a compromise satisfies nobody, except perhaps a neutral mediator who just wants to get this pesky problem out of his or her hair, and it is worst if this is an adminstrator who enforces then enforces the compromise, so the situation remains unstable.

C-NPOV may be superior to edit warring, for a time. But the sign of having found true NPOV would be that maintaining an article becomes much easier, for many editors, from many points of view, will have a stake in maintaining the neutrality, for an editor may realize that if a newcomer comes along and edits the article, even to a POV that the editor favors, it will disturb the balance and, in reaction, the article may swing the other way and it was hard enough to find the consensus in the first place. In such a situation, ideally, the one who will address the problem raised by the new editor will be one who more naturally agrees with that editor.

In a related process issue, I've been claiming that, generally, inclusionists should regulate inclusionists and deletionists, deletionists, because it is less likely to be disruptive. I'm certainly not proposing that as a rigid rule, but rather that mature editors who understand that this is a community, and even if we don't agree, even on major topics, we can get more done, and better, if we cooperate to the maximum extent possible, will pay special attention to restraining those who are uncivil, edit war, etc., within each community, so that the behavioral issue doesn't get mixed up with the "sectarian" one. This is actually an old principle of tribal law, where a community would discipline its own for offenses against another community, to avoid such things becoming causes of inter-community feuds and wars.

Just some odd thoughts.... This essay is more practical than what I wrote on my Talk page about God and NPOV. Good work. --Abd (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]