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Welcome to the one hundredth and forty ninth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 15,980 last month to 16,104 on 26 August 2020). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 181 is ahead of WP:GM who have 88. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 68 out of a total number of 4,531 articles.
Currently we have fifty four Yorkshire featured articles:
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22:59, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hello.
I created a page for an artist and linked all the available information so that people can see that the artist is real. But every time I keep on getting flagged for spam and one editor told me to stop putting nonsense on Wikipedia what should I do?
The page was up for months that it even got added to Google's search, all I did was add a few accomplishments he made and the same editor deleted it again saying it's spam. Now I'm just confused. Jane phiri (talk) 13:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Jane phiri. Being real isn't enough. I'm real, you're presumably real, but that doesn't mean that there should be Wikipedia articles about us (though I am mentioned in one). Wikipedia articles are based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, in reliable places: Wikipedia has no interest in what I know, or you know, about Chileshe; and little interest in what Chileshe or his associates say about him. It follows that, unless you find several (realistically, at least three) places where people who have no connection at all with Chileshe (and have not been prompted or supplied information by him or his agents) have written significant coverage about him, and been published in reliable sources, then there is literally nothing which can go into an article about him. Your second citation, to a sales site, is certainly spam. Please see MUSICBIO for more information. And remember that Wikipedia articles are for the benefit of Wikipedia and its readers, not for the benefit of the subjects of the articles. --ColinFine (talk) 18:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 16,104 last month to 16,176 on 29 September 2020). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 182 is ahead of WP:GM who have 89. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 68 out of a total number of 4,538 articles.
Currently we have fifty six Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Unreliable sources
Just a note about sources which have been decided are unreliable and should no longer be used on Wikipedia. The latest one is the Daily Mail and this is been removed at the moment. If this is used on any of the projects articles then please remove it and replace with a more reliable source. If another source cannot be found then the reference and the text it supports should be removed from the article or if you think that the information is important the text should be tagged as {{citation needed}}.
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22:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
New article
Dear Colin,
I have written a new article on Sucharit Bhakdi, which was declined twice. This has never happened to me before. The reasons for the decline were not very specific. From the web page of the "Teahouse", I understand that you are offering help with these matters. Would you give the article a look and tell me what should be done, according to your opinion?
The reasons for the decline are very clear, RzU78pzy12: there is not a single reference which is independent, reliable, and has significant coverage of Bhakdi.
Remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything written or published - or, indeed, done - by Bhakti or his associates or employers, unless these have been written about by people who have no connection with him. The book reviews might contribute to notability of the book, but not of Bhakdi. The Buchreport one says nothing about him at all, and the Goldegg has a paragraph about him which obviously comes either from the book or from a press release, so is not independent.
I observe that you say "this has never happened to me before" - but your account is less than three weeks old, and has only eleven edits, and this is the only article or draft which you have edited, so how could it have happened to you before? Furthermore, the fact that your very first edit on coming here was to create that draft, coupled with the fact that the section "Scientific work" has no sources at all leads me to ask, do you have a connection with Bhakdi? If so, you should read about editing with a conflict of interest; and if it is part of your job, or you are in any way paid, to write this, then you must make the mandatory declaration as a paid editor. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Dear Colin,
Thank you for your comments! Let me only mention that I do not have a personal connection with Bhakdi, whom I have never met, and while several people have suspected that paid editors are working on his German Wikipedia page, I am not one of them and am not paid for the writing of this article. It is also definitely not part of my job to write this article.
oh Colin, thanks a lot. I´ve been looking for the solution for a long time. In spanish wikipedia it is solved by a template... so I thought it was the same... thanks--DamAzul (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to the one hundred and fifty first WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 16,176 last month to 16,259 on 29 October 2020). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 189 is ahead of WP:GM who have 88. WP:YORKS also has the lead in FAs at 76 while WP:GM has 69 out of a total number of 4,577 articles.
Currently we have fifty nine Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project
The November 2020 articles selected below are an editor choice as there were no nominations on the project talk page.
The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis.
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Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. You will also have to check that the Commons link is set correctly.
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00:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks sir
I'm sorry to bother you, but this is not the first time.Before this they destroyed most oldest cave in the former USSR and Caucasus and the 4th oldest cave in the world (grammatical errors, the location of this cave is in Nagorno-Karabakh in Armenia and the location of Nagorno-Karabakh is in Armenia?). It was inhabited by Armenians? ... What kind of nation existed in prehistory?Please see this sir: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Azokh_Cave&oldid=984812522 What is this?Vandalism!I swear you will not encounter such a thing in another article (exclude those that are not about Azerbaijan)I think it would be better if the conflicting peoples could not change each other's articles. (Most articles about Azerbaijan are biased by Armenians, this is a fact, sir).This is just my opinion, thank you.🙂 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaxoul (talk • contribs) 20:24, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Blaxoul. You are wrong: this kind of thing happens wherever there are articles about contentious issues: Kashmir, Palestine, Eastern Ukraine, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Trump, Brexit, ISIS, Climate science, Vaccination, Homeopathy. It is a fact of life. Individual editors who persistently break Wikipedia's policies get banned or blocked. But as long as there is conflict in the world, people will bring it into anywhere they can, nespecially on the web. And those who are partisan often see any attempt to be neutral as siding against them: they are wrong.
On some of these areas, I have strong views myself, but I endeavour not to let them into my Wikipedia editing. On others I do not have enough knowledge to favour one view or another. I make no difference between Armenians pushing Armenian views and Azeris pushing Azerbaijani views: if I see them break Wikipedia policies, I will revert or alter.
If you see partisan editing, I encourage you to raise it on the talk page of the article, arguing from Wikipedia's policies, not from your own feelings or beliefs. I removed the word "propaganda" not because I agree or disagree with it, but because it was not ascribed to a reliably indepedent source, and so broke Wikipedia's policy on WP:NPOV. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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Welcome to the one hundred and fifty second WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 16,259 last month to 16,386 on 29 November 2020). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 188 is ahead of WP:GM who have 88. WP:YORKS also has the lead in FAs at 76 while WP:GM has 69 out of a total number of 4,595 articles.
Currently we have sixty Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Happy Christmas
It is time to wish all members of the project a Happy Christmas. Though it will be a very different one this year because of the restrictions placed on us by the government because of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. Though there will be some relaxation of the rules for a 5-day period over the Christmas period it will not allow much of the usual festivities to take place. Hopefully the vaccination will be available early next year for the country to get back to some sort of normality.
WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project
The December 2020 articles selected below are an editor choice as there were no nominations on the project talk page.
The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis.
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Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. You will also have to check that the Commons link is set correctly.
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16:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
My computer
ColinFine - I moved the content below from the top of your Talk page to the bottom, and instructed Sceintrep on how to correctly make new comments on editors' Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 16:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
My computer does not have the tildes. What to do?
Thanks for those descriptions on profile vs article.
I can remedy that and will provide references, which I
now understand as part of the problem. I will do as
suggested and view other articles to better understand
the Wiki structure.
If I may add, I need to get used to how these pages are
structured. Never sure where to respond to messages as
there's so much information and response pages are not
what I'm used to seeing. Thank you for your patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scientrep (talk • contribs) 15:31, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Scientrep. Replying to me here is fine (thanks to David notMD for moving your post to a section at the bottom), but generally it's best to keep all the discussion in one place.
I happen to know a Colin Fine. Not sure if you are him. He was very up with Lojban/Loglan and science fiction fandom, and could recite passages from the Finnish National epic Kalevala from memory. Are you infact him? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 09:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
At an Eastercon I think. You recited lines of the poem of Kullervo, I think. My real name is Jussi-Ville Heiskanen. Don't mind doxing myself as it is public knowledge anyway. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Hyyvää päivää. Kullervo Kalervon poika / Tempäsi terävän miekän / Kysyi mieltä miekältänsä / Tokko tuon tekisi mieli. That's all I can think of for now. That must have been a long time ago. --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I can't give you the lines from the poem, but I do recall the sword was quite willing. Lol. Perhaps too willing. I would rather wait and see if I can still mend ways with my dad who is still alive. I haven't killed my dad. So far. lol. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Cimon Avaro: Miekka mietti miehen mielen/ Arvasi uron pakinan/ Vastasi sanalla tuolla: / "Miks' en söisi miellelläni / Söisi syylistä lihoa / Viallista verta joisi? / Syön lihoa syyttömänki / Verta juon viattomanki". (from memory). I love the line "Miekka mietti miehen mielen". --ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
My Bad...
Hello Colin...it was my mistake. I did not see the ~ on the far
right on my key board. DavidNotMD pointed it out for me. He also
showed me how to communicate, as he mentioned in another thread.
I really had no clue how to reach out before that, so I thought
'talk' was the right button and used that. Now I know.
Now just have to get used to using the tildes - even that is a
new word for me. Scientrep (talk) 14:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Happy holidays
This year, many people had COVID to fear,
The holidays are getting near,
One thing that will be clear,
We will still have holiday cheer,
Happy holidays and happy new year!!
From Interstellarity (talk) 13:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
