User talk:Clutzenb

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Hello, Clutzenb, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Discriminatory Cuban Laws moved to draftspace

This article needs significant cleanup to be appropriate for namespace. It currently is written like an essay and contains a significant amount of original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Please continue to make improvements, and only move it back to WP:MAINSPACE once these issues have been addressed. Please also be aware that this article appears to be redundant with Human rights in Cuba and Social dangerousness. Consider contributing to those articles instead of creating a content fork, in order to make information on Wikipedia more accessible to readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosguill (talk • contribs) 2:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you Rosguill! Clutzenb, I think that a good alternative here would be to look at improving the material with the goal of improving the existing article on social dangerousness. Here are some main notes:

1. Avoid writing with a bias. Although I don't think that many would disagree that the law is unjust, your draft is making an argument for the reader and leading them to see the law in a certain viewpoint, which keeps it from being neutral. Wikipedia is not meant to take a specific viewpoint or stance on an article topic.
2. The citations need to be in-line, so that the reader can see what claim is backed up by which source.
3. Only summarize what has been explicitly stated in the source material. We cannot editorialize or include our own theories. We can say what specific people or organizations have said about the topic, but we cannot build on to those statements.

Let me know if you want any help with this. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Discriminatory Cuban Laws (November 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by David.moreno72 was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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David.moreno72 10:46, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Clutzenb! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! David.moreno72 10:46, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Response

Hi! I saw your post on my talk page. To copy the content over to the existing article you need to follow the directions here. However prior to that, I do have some notes that need to be addressed:

• You cannot use Wikipedia as a source to back up claims. I've removed this from your draft.
• Avoid dated terms like new, since that is something that will quickly become outdated as time passes. It's better to specify the year or time period, such as "2018 law".
• Don't draw comparisons on your own - we can only use comparisons that are explicitly stated in the source material, otherwise this is seen as original research. I would also avoid making statements like "Artists and Cuban citizens which oppose the social dangerousness law could also use this type of judicial action to resist this law " unless this is also explicitly stated in the source material for similar reasons. There may be major differences in how the law is applied and generally practiced in Cuba, which is a major reason why it's important to only summarize what is explicitly stated in the source material.
• Make sure that the content doesn't come across as a persuasive essay or has anything that could be seen as a personal opinion, as this wouldn't be seen as neutral per Wikipedia's NPOV guidelines. For example, we can say something like "The law has been seen as unjust by organizations such as Amnesty International", but we can't outright state that the law is unjust because then it becomes an opinion statement. The law is unjust, but it's still an opinion statement.
• Be careful about putting too much emphasis on the United States in this, as the US isn't really the focus of the article. Unless there are a lot of sources that compare the US to Cuba, I'd avoid putting a big emphasis on the US since it could be seen as putting too much undue weight on it. It's entirely possible and likely that sourcing that compares the two countries does exist, but it needs to be added to the article. The thing to remember is that Cuba declared its independence from Cuba, so Cuban law is not the same thing as US law.

I hope that these notes help! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for your feedback. I am trying to revise the corrections you said to make to my original article in order for it to be approved to be moved to the main space but I cant find my article in my sandbox. All it shows is the original social dangerousness article.

Your draft article, Draft:Discriminatory Cuban Laws

Hello, Clutzenb. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Discriminatory Cuban Laws".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. CptViraj (Talk) 07:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)