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Your submission at Articles for creation: List of books about the RMS Titanic (February 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Quasar G. was:

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at List of books about the RMS Titanic. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

More than half of these books are mentioned at RMS Titanic in popular culture#Books anyway; there is no need for a separate article. If there are notable books missing from RMS Titanic in popular culture, add them in to that article.

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Quasar G. (talk) 11:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Your draft article, Draft:List of books about the RMS Titanic

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 18:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pull Over (James Taylor video album) (November 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by I dream of horses was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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Entirely unreferenced.

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I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @ 03:59, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pull Over (James Taylor video album) (December 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Hamtechperson was:

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Still needs sourcing. Possibly full of original research, as the work itself is cited.

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Ham tech person 18:55, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

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Draft:Pull Over (James Taylor video album) concern

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Your draft article, Draft:Pull Over (James Taylor video album)

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"Grandaunt"

Please stop changing the normal term great-aunt into the obscure term "grandaunt". DuncanHill (talk) 14:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But...Grandaunt is the correct terminology, and it is correctly used in many other places on Wikipedia. See also the comments in the "Aunt" article. I think Wikipedia should prefer accuracy over popularity, and great-aunt is just not accurate, even if it is commonly used.

What are your thoughts on this?

Also, is there a standard for these things somewhere? If so, I'd like to review it to make sure I'm following any published guidelines.

Thanks for the feedback! Clofback (talk) 15:09, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is "grandaunt" perhaps an Americanism? It certainly is not "correct" in British English. DuncanHill (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not correct, really not worth starting a crusade over what you see as accuracy, and not helped by the mess you made at Coraline. Please slow down and get some kind of consensus. I hope and I pray that there is NOT a published guideline but instead we just use common sense and avoid this sort of thing. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 15:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, what happened to Coraline? Clofback (talk) 15:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, no need for a crusade. That's not my intent. But if it is absolutely incorrect, then the "Aunt" page should be changed to reflect that. As a user, I would consider that article as authoritative. Clofback (talk) 15:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That could be. If so, maybe the "Aunt" article needs a notation to that effect. But using grandaunt is consistent with the "Aunt" article. Take a look at the chart on the page. Clofback (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article uses both. The chart is not a WP:RS. Oxford Dictionaries, as used as a citation, are. DuncanHill (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK, that helps. Sorry, I would have referred to Oxford if I'd known that was the standard for words and grammar. Clofback (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford isn't the standard - there isn't a single standard, and articles may be written in different varieties of English. However, all of the dictionaries used as sources in the Aunt article make it clear that great-aunt is the normal term - the definition of 'grand aunt' is, in all cases, something along the lines of 'another term for a great-aunt'. The Google n-gram linked to in the article ([Google Ngram Viewer here it is]) also makes it clear that the most common variation by far is great-aunt (hyphenated), followed by 'great aunt' (two words), followed by 'greataunt' (one word); only after those three variants to we get to 'grandaunt', 'grand-aunt' and 'grand aunt'. Great-aunt, being by far the most common, is what we should use. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. I'll undo the changes I made. Sorry for the confusion. As an engineer, I guess I'm overly obsessed with rules, guidelines, and standards. Clofback (talk) 15:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bless you for your nice replies and positive attitude! I am not quite sure what happened to poor Coraline but it looks like a bit of your edit summary perhaps migrated into a userbox parameter, which had the effect of blowing the poster pic out of the water because the infobox didn't know what this new parameter was ... and so on. No harm done! I was a bit stroppy about it, and I am sorry – this was before I realized your serious intent. Cheers and happy editing DBaK (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! It's great to see that there are folks monitoring the articles and stepping in to prevent issues. Gives me more confidence in Wikipedia. Thanks Clofback (talk) 16:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Berkeley, July 1, 1978 (November 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

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Fails WP:NALBUM, requires significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Berkeley, July 1, 1978 (January 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by TheChunky was:

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