User talk:Climie.ca/Archive 12
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In gratitude of your service as a coordinator for the Military history Project from September 2009 to March 2010, I hereby award you this WikiProject Barnstar. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
GAN for German submarine U-2336
Hello. I noticed that you are reviewing this article for a GNA. Yet I have'nt seen you create a review page for it yet. Can you explan this? I'm a bit confused. Thanks :)--White Shadows you're breaking up 02:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- Oh no problems here :) I'm just glad that someone is willing to review it! As for me, I don;t get off for spring break until next week (due to the 2010 snowstorm here in Virginia) That along with the fact that my PC is acting up means that it may take a while for me to get back to your review. Thanks for the clarification though :)--White Shadows you're breaking up 02:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Kongō class battlecruiser
-- Cirt (talk) 10:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Coordinator election
Thank you for your support MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- Likewise. Just a quick note to thank you for your support at the election, very much appreciated. See you around the Milhist pages! Ranger Steve (talk) 20:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Problem
Hey Cam, I understand wanting to remove extraneous refs ([1]), but for a lot of those double-cited combinedfleet/G&D sentences, I used information from both sources. :-/ —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Heh, now I check my new messages. :-) Give me about five min... —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- now you tell me. By all means. Cam (Chat) 05:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry Cam; I didn't know you were going to remove them.
- The only source I have which covers Yamato's more than just trivially is G&D (Breyer has something, I'm sure, but it would be on the order of three to five sentences; I'll check him Wednesday anyway). I can't get ahold of Skulski, as it's marked "lib use only" in Melcat [2]. However, I will get Requiem for battleship Yamato; the downside is that it can take up to two weeks to receive these books. This might hold some nuggets if you can view it (I can't). Otherwise, there isn't much I can do. Like normal, my university library and electronic holdings fail at helping me in the least (even JSTOR). :-/ —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- It sucks doesn't it? The two university libraries I have access to have lots of general stuff, but very little on specifics of ships. Now, granted, I could not have written the Normandy articles without the two academic libraries in Calgary, but they're not of much help when it comes to IJN ships. It means working off of what we can, which can be exasperating when at FAC. Cam (Chat) 05:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it does. At least you have *two* *large* libraries to choose from; I have one small one. :-) Hopefully Cla will have something on hand to help. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- It sucks doesn't it? The two university libraries I have access to have lots of general stuff, but very little on specifics of ships. Now, granted, I could not have written the Normandy articles without the two academic libraries in Calgary, but they're not of much help when it comes to IJN ships. It means working off of what we can, which can be exasperating when at FAC. Cam (Chat) 05:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- now you tell me. By all means. Cam (Chat) 05:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you very much for your support on the coordinator elections.– Joe N 14:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
WikiCup 2010 March newsletter
We're half way through round two, and everything is running smoothly. Hunter Kahn (submissions) leads overall with 650 points this round, and heads pool B. TonyTheTiger (submissions) currently leads pool C, dubbed the "Group of Death", which has a only a single contestant yet to score this round (the fewest of any group), as well five contestants over 100 points (the most). With a month still to go, as well as 16 wildcard places, everything is still to play for. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.
Although unrelated to the WikiCup, April sees a Good Article Nominations backlog elimination drive, formulated as a friendly competition with small awards, as the Cup is. Several WikiCup contestants and judges have already signed up, but regular reviewers and those who hope to do more reviewing are more than welcome to join at the drive page. If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox, iMatthew and The ed17 Delivered by JCbot (talk) 22:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Adoption
Hey, I found your name on the adopters list page and wanna know if you are still looking for adoptees? I am a new user and interested in military history and especially the Operation Majestic Titan is something I would like to help out on, but I am afraid to get lost in the amount of policies that exist on wikipedia. Somebody with a similar interest to help get started would be really helpfull. So I want to ask if you would be willing to adopt me or, if you are no longer adopting (since I can't find any references on your personal page about it) would be able to point me to somebody who does. Yoenit (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIX (March 2010)
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I am pleased to report that the March coordinator elections have concluded, and that 15 members have been selected to serve as coordinators from April to September. Special congratulations go to AustralianRupert, Dank, MisterBee1966, NativeForeigner, Patar knight, and Ranger Steve, all of whom are newly elected coordinators. As we start this new tranche we welcome all returning coordinators, and wish those who decided not to stand for reelection luck as they move on to new things. In other election news, a motion made to extend the coordinator tranche from its current six-month term to one full year gained consensus from the election participants. This will take effect in September, during the next election cycle. For the IX Coordinator Tranche, TomStar81 (Talk) 05:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC) |
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I (Ed) am a college student in the United States, and as part of attaining my desired degree, I chose to take a course in Arab-Islamic history. We began in the early 600s and spent some time on the origins of the Islamic conquering of the Sassanid Empire and partial takeover of the Byzantine Empire (c. 634–750). From there, we have moved through the various ages of history, and the class recently began discussing the Ottoman Empire and other Islamic regions of more recent times. As we began discussing the Ottoman Empire's role in the First World War, our professor mentioned that they were blockading the Bosphorus, using it as a chokepoint to cut off needed supplies traveling to Russia's only warm-water port, Sevastopol. An astute classmate, realizing this meant the use of warships, wondered what naval technology was like during this time. The professor turned and asked me to answer the question, as he knew I had been studying naval history and believed that I knew more about the subject. The point of this anecdote is not to boast, but to provoke some thought. By virtue of the research Wikipedia writers must do to write complete, referenced articles, many of us are acquiring knowledge in specialized topics that can surpass even learned scholars. Wikipedia might even provoke some of us into becoming learned scholars through the subjects we find here. To profile one such case, take a look at Parsecboy. Beginning in May 2007, he came across a few essentially empty stubs on German battleship classes. Nearly 3 years later, he's written or collaborated on more than forty articles rated as good or higher, including over a dozen featured articles and a featured list; the majority relate to German warships. The work Parsecboy has done for Wikipedia has had a tremendous impact on his academic career: to complete his undergraduate degree, Parsecboy is currently writing an Honors Thesis that will analyze the British and German battlecruiser squadrons during the First World War. Parsecboy plans to attend graduate school and continue his research in the area, culminating in a dissertation. He comments that "without a doubt, I would not have had nearly as much knowledge and interest in the topic, nor would I have known where to begin researching if I had not become so involved with the topic here on Wikipedia." The knowledge you acquire through writing Wikipedia articles will remain with you for the rest of your life. Try to find a way to use it to your advantage. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) and Parsecboy (talk) | |||
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Technical question
Hey Climie,
I wanna watchlist the B-class assesment section. There is the following notice on that section
Please note that this section is a separate transcluded sub-page, which you might like to watchlist separately. Thanks! |
And since I have an article up for B review over there I kinda wanna do just that, but the question is how? I know how to watch entire pages, but I do I watch just this "transcluded sub-page"?
Also, about the watchlist. Is there any way to have it show up all recent edits done to a page, instead of only the last one?
Thanks for leaving the A & GA criteria on my user page, now I know what to strife for. Yoenit (talk) 12:39, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- Another question: Is it necessary to provide references for stuff in the infoboxes? Yoenit (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
If it's headed to FAC after ACR, or if you want me to, I'll do a copyedit (if it needs it, I haven't looked). (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 20:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Major-General Vokes, 4th Armoured Division
Hi Cam
Do you own or have access to the following book (or variant of): Chris Vokes, Vokes, My Story. By Major General Chris Vokes with John P. Maclean. Memorial Edition. Ottawa, ON: Gallery Books, 1985.
- If you dont mind, the implication raised in the Friesoythe article (then badly worded and claimed it was random in the Allied war crimes during World War II article) is that Vokes lands himself in it; admitting that he willy nilly ordered the burning down of the town. Surely he doesnt just admit that he ordered the burning of a town? Apparently the highlanders CO was shot and killed and it was done in retripution but surely he defends this decission etc There was a military reason etc?--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 07:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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To Cam, for excellent work on Japanese battleship Yamato. The article was a true pleasure to read. Karanacs (talk) 01:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC) |
- Congratulations on this passing its FAC Cam (and the other editors involved in the article's development). It's great that this article on what is one of the best known battleships worldwide is also one of Wikipedia's best articles. Nick-D (talk) 10:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Question: possible to position pictures in a paragraph without breaking it?
Hi Cam,
I am messing around with images in Indiana class battleship and I wonder if there is some way to place a picture in the middle of a paragraph without breaking the paragraph at that point and starting a new one? (look at the position of the first picture in the article I linked if my description is a bit vague, that should clarify the problem).Yoenit (talk) 20:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
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GAN backlog elimination drive - 1 week to go
First off, on behalf of myself and my co-coordinator Wizardman, I would like to thank you for the efforts that you have made so far in this GAN backlog elimination drive. It has been nothing short of a success, and that is thanks to you. See this Signpost article about what this drive has achieved so far.
We're currently heading into the final week of the drive. At this time, if you have any GANs on review or on hold, you should be finishing off those reviews. Right now, we have more GANs on review or on hold than we do unreviewed. If you're going to start a GA review, please do so now so you can complete it by the end of the month and so that the nominator has a full 7-day window to address any concerns. See you at the finish! |
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Happy Birthday!
[3] Happy 18, man! Have a triple-chocolate cake to celebrate. :) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks man! Looks good! Unlike in the States, I can vote AND drink tomorrow :) Cam (Chat) 05:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Oh boy. Look out world, and STAY OFF THE ROADS. ;) By the way, I didn't know that I had made your "exceptional Wikipedians" list; thanks, and I'm honored. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Congratulations Cam! 18 is always a special birthday, because the world seems to think you are suddenly wise enough to decide things on your own. Have a good time and try the things you weren't allowed before, just not all at the same time. Yoenit (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC).
- Oh boy. Look out world, and STAY OFF THE ROADS. ;) By the way, I didn't know that I had made your "exceptional Wikipedians" list; thanks, and I'm honored. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks man! Looks good! Unlike in the States, I can vote AND drink tomorrow :) Cam (Chat) 05:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
WikiCup 2010 April newsletter
Round two is over, and we are down to our final 32. For anyone interested in the final standings (though not arranged by group) this page has been compiled. Congratulations to Hunter Kahn (submissions), our clear overall round winner, and to ThinkBlue (submissions) and Arsenikk (submissions), who were solidly second and third respectively. There were a good number of high scorers this round- competition was certainly tough! Round three begins tomorrow, but anything promoted after the end of round two is eligible for points. 16 contestants (eight pool leaders and eight wildcards) will progress to round four in two months- things are really starting to get competitive. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.
Judge iMatthew has retired from Wikipedia, and we wish him the best. The competition has been ticking over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. A special thank you goes to participants Stone (submissions) and White Shadows (submissions) for their help in preparing for round three. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 17:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your participation in the April 2010 GAN backlog elimination drive
On behalf of my co-coordinator Wizardman, I'd like to especially thank you for your efforts over this past month's GAN backlog elimination drive. It has been nothing short of a complete success, which hopefully results in more expedient good article reviews, increasing users' confidence in the good article nomination processes. Even if you made just a small contribution, it still helped contribute to the success of this drive. Here is what we have accomplished this last month in this drive.
For those who have accomplished certain objectives in the drive, awards will be coming shortly. Again, thank you for your help in the drive, and I hope you continue to help review GA nominations and overall improve the quality of articles here on Wikipedia. |
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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : L (April 2010)
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It's been a month since the end of the coordinator elections, and I am proud to inform the project that the IX coordinator tranche is doing well. Our new coordinators are rapidly learning the ropes, and the last of the task forces under consideration for merging have been consolidated into a new task force which should increase productivity and improve quality article output. At the moment the coordinators are discussing preliminary plans for an improved version of The Bugle, and are working with editors from the American Civil War task force who are in the process of organizing a new special project relating to that conflict. It is our hope to see these changes implemented in the upcoming month. Lastly, as many of our members are also in school, we extend our best wishes to all who will be taking final exams both this month and next. For the IX coordinator tranche, TomStar81 (Talk) 22:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC) |
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This month we're taking a look at the Military history WikiProject's special projects. At present we have three—Operation Great War Centennial, Operation Majestic Titan, and Operation Normandy—with, as Tom mentions in his introduction, a fourth coming on line as this newsletter goes out.
Special projects are a great way of organising a long-term collaboration with a specific end-point in mind, and tend to be more goal-oriented and focused than the general task forces or informal working groups. Joining a special project is also a fantastic way to work alongside like-minded editors with whom you'll undoubtedly develop close working relationships; by your third or fourth FA submission you'll hopefully be operating as part of a well-oiled team. Editor roles are many and varied: content writers, source material providers, image- and map-makers, copy editors, reviewers, MoS gurus, wikignomes, specialists and generalists... you're sure to find a job that suits you and benefits the team. If you have an idea for a special project or are already undertaking a collaboration that you think fits in with the ethos of those above, and you'd like to benefit from Milhist's support and infrastructure, consider dropping the coordinators a note. Personally I've found the synergy and teamwork of contributing to a special project (Operation Normandy in my case) to be one of the most rewarding and enjoyable aspects of my time here. I hope you will too. EyeSerenetalk 14:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Triple crown
Looking to be adopted.
My interests are: History with a focus on Military History and Aviation History and some side interests like Rock N Roll, 4x4s, and Movies. BGinOC (talk) 08:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Musashi
I've found a lot of refs on japanese ships. Feel like a FAC in late July? Buggie111 (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
WT:OMT discussion
Hello, Climie.ca! I am informing you that there is a discussion at WT:OMT#Moving forward on whether or not to implement a reward called the Titan's Cross. As you list yourself as a member of the project, I suggest you vote in it. Have fun! Buggie111 (talk) 20:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Graduation
CONGRATS!
It's a new phase of your life; good luck! College is the most fun you will probably ever have in your life, so enjoy it to the fullest. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
WikiCup 2010 May newsletter
We are half way through round 3, with a little under a month to go. The current overall leader is Sasata (submissions), who has 570 points. He leads pool C. Pools A, B and D are led by Hunter Kahn (submissions), Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) and White Shadows (submissions) respectively. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.
Two of last year's final 8, Theleftorium (submissions) and Scorpion0422 (submissions), have dropped out of the competition, saying they would rather their place went to someone who will have more time on their hands than them next round. On a related note, a special thank you goes to White Shadows (submissions) for his help behind the scenes once again. There is currently a problem with the poster, perhaps caused by the new skin- take a look at this discussion and see if you can help. The competition has continued to tick over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. Good luck to all! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 20:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Titan's Cross
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For your effort to improve our battleship articles for some time now, and for being the driving force behind the improvement of the Yamato-class battleships to their current FT stats, I hereby award you the Bronze Titan's Cross. Congratulations! For the member of Operation Majestic Titan, TomStar81 (Talk) 21:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC) |
- Your welcome. Congrats on your graduation, BTW; I understand that should be happening for you about now. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LI (May 2010)
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With Eurocopter's resignation (see editorial below), this month marks the end of his tenure as a project coordinator. Eurocopter has been with the team for almost three years now and will be sorely missed, but he has taken the tough decision that his real life commitments have unfortunately made it too hard for him to focus on his coordinator duties. We wish him good luck in the future, both in real life and on-wiki. Efforts to redesign The Bugle are moving forward and it is our intention to roll out a new format, based on the Signpost, for next month's issue. We hope that this will allow us to provide better coverage of the project's news by allowing more room to expand on the stories we bring to you. If you have any comments or suggestions on what we can do to improve coverage, please let us know. —your IX Coordinator Tranche, May 2010 |
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For those of you who might not know me, I'm Eurocopter. I served as a coordinator of the Military history WikiProject from August 2007 until few days ago, when I decided to resign due to real life issues making it impossible for me to continue to perform project duties on a regular basis. Reflecting on my experience and activities within the project, I decided to write this editorial to set out a few thoughts and offer some advice to interested members. First of all, what does project coordination mean and how does it help the Military history WikiProject? Although the coordinators do not have any real executive powers, they play an important role in project management. To make editing contributions easier for our members we establish guidelines, manage Peer and A-Class reviews, and consult and assist when needed. The primary goal of the coordination team has always been to stimulate the development of quality articles and, once they have been developed, to facilitate maintaining them at a high standard for as long as possible. This has been carried out through the organization of a considerable number of assessment drives, contests and special projects. However, there is still much to be done to make the project one of the best and most active wiki-communities. Coordinator involvement in trying to achieve this, as the central promoters of any activity undertaken within the project, is more than important; the coordination team should stand as an example of civilised and constructive cooperation. Perhaps the most annoying issue—unfortunately quite widespread through the pages of Wikipedia—is POV-dominated conflict. While such a phenomenon might seem inevitable in a community within which hundreds of members of different nationalities with different historical and political views interact, it doesn’t mean we should accept it. The ability to neutrally mediate such conflicts is an important and desirable coordinator function. Secondly, but most importantly in my opinion, is the question of how the project enables editors to contribute effectively. Perhaps you already know how difficult it is to take an article to the highest quality levels such as A-Class or featured status. It is even harder to do this working alone. I believe the best thing the Military history WikiProject has done is to bring together groups of editors with similar interests. As there are very few editors skilled in all the diverse article development areas, you might feel the need for help from editors more experienced in, for example, advanced copy editing, image editing etc. To this end the project provides task forces and special projects where members should always feel encouraged to ask questions, discuss, debate and give advice. Such cooperation is the best way to create properly balanced articles and to establish a neutral point of view. Our Style guide and Academy are also useful in guiding you along the path of writing an article. A final, but vital, part of the collaborative article writing process is editor behaviour when interacting with other editors who are contributing to the same article. Even on those occasions where an editor upsets you or allows their personal opinions to influence their editing, always remain calm, civil and try to reach an agreement. Contributing to Wikipedia is something most of us do as a hobby; time spent in useless conflicts is precious editing time wasted. All in all, the Military history WikiProject is a good meeting point for milhist-interested editors, both beginners and advanced, with someone always there to give help and advice when needed. I wish to thank all my fellow coordinators and project members who keep this beautiful community running. I will certainly miss it! Best regards and happy wiki-editing! Eurocopter (talk) 20:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Re:Exams
Not sure yet. The plan is to take this sometime in June so I can submit the exam results to the UTEP people and then move on to the letters of recommendation I need to get to complete the process. In the case of my application, I hold a C-ish average; since math is going to be a major part of the test, I need to do well enough in the subject to place in the top 10% or so to offset the low gpa I have so that the application I make for enrollment for a masters looks like a win from the University's perspective. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- Mercifully, just the one; however they make up for the singularity of the test with time, generous estimates place the length of the test at 4-5 hours, including brief breaks. Can't say I'm looking forward to that, but then glory only goes to those who have the endurance to chase after a goal :) TomStar81 (Talk) 01:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- Well, you have to maintain a positive perspective on thee things. In my case, for example, I do not think of this as a 4-5 exam - I think of it as a game, and I'm going for the high score :) TomStar81 (Talk) 01:45, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
can you help?
--SwarmTalk 06:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
WikiCup 2010 June newsletter
We're half way through 2010, and the end of the WikiCup is in sight! Round 3 is over, and we're down to our final 16. Our pool winners were Ian Rose (submissions) (A), Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (B, and the round's overall leader), ThinkBlue (submissions) (C) Casliber (submissions) and TonyTheTiger (submissions) (D, joint), but, with the scores reset, everything is to play for in our last pooled round. The pools will be up before midnight tonight, and have been selected randomly by J Milburn. This will be the toughest round yet, and so, as ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.
Though unaffiliated with the WikiCup, July sees the third Great Wikipedia Dramaout- a project with not dissimilar goals to the WikiCup. Everyone is welcome to take part and do their bit to contribute to the encyclopedia itself.
If you're interested in the scores for the last round of the Cup, please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Round 3 and Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Full/Round 3. Our thanks go to Stone (submissions) for compiling these. As was predicted, Group C ended up the "Group of Death", with 670 points required for second place, and, therefore, automatic promotion. This round will probably be even tougher- again, the top two from each of the two groups will make it through, while the twelve remaining participants will compete for four wildcard places- good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17