User talk:Ched/Archive 26

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And the Checkered flag waves!

	There it goes!
	I thought you deserve a checkered flag for the assistance with List of female NASCAR drivers after the yellow flag. =3 Zappa (talk) 23:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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An Anne Frank quote for you!

File:Anne Frank stamp.jpg	An Anne Frank quote for you!
	It's a wonder I haven't abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart. — Anne Frank Dianna (talk) 13:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	For your outstanding support and dedication in getting Yogo sapphire from a new article to DYK to GA to FA and FOUR. The team effort of the uncountable people involved in getting this unique article to FA is a textbook case of teamwork in article improvement, ie, what Wikipedia should be, not what it all too often is. I can never thank everyone enough. PumpkinSky talk 23:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar of good cheer

	Barnstar of good cheer
	Keep up the good work, Ched, and don't forget to take some time out to enjoy yourself! 28bytes (talk) 17:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Puppies need friends

WOOF WOOF — Puppy of Dog The Teddy Bear • ^WOOF • 01:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

To a friend

Ched, I dedicated articles to missing friends, now the opposite: one year after you brightened my dark days I dedicate to you the baby of collaboration, the shelter Laufen Hut, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

ps: you were also the one to teach me the abbreviations above, thank you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

You are a wonderfully kind person Gerda - looking forward to a long and happy wiki-friendship. — Ched : ? 01:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution IRC office hours.

Hello there. As you expressed interest in hearing updates to my research in the dispute resolution survey that was done a few months ago, I just wanted to let you know that I am hosting an IRC office hours session this coming Saturday, 28th July at 19:00 UTC (approximately 12 hours from now). This will be located in the #wikimedia-office ^connect IRC channel - if you have not participated in an IRC discussion before you can connect to IRC here.

Regards, User:Szhang (WMF) (talk) 07:01, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

HanzoHattori/Niemti

I am willing to leave it to you. I have no objection to unblocking. JamesBWatson (talk) 07:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Support [1]. My very best wishes (talk) 12:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you My very best wishes. I'd like to think that if more folks did a bit more research before acting and posting on wiki that we'd have a bit more congenial place to work with. — Ched : ? 17:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Niemti has just been blocked again. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed; but thank you for the update. Given the various board discussions, Dennis' and Berean's talk threads etc., I suppose it's simply a matter of time and dedication before removal; but "Cast thy bread upon water" and all that. — Ched : ? 13:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

AN/I

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burpelson AFB (talk • contribs) 21:37 UTC

Just to note that I've seen this. Sorry you didn't feel you could come discuss the matter with me. — Ched : ? 02:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi, Ched. Just to let you know that I have started a discussion regarding HanzoHattori/Niemti's behavior at User talk:Dennis Brown#Question. You are welcome to participate and voice your opinions about it there. Thank you, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Astoria CH dab deletion request

Thanks for making that Astoria City Hall page move, to allow the DYK to proceed faster. All that remains, as far as I can see, is that the page Astoria City Hall (disambiguation) – which a bot created per WP:INTDABLINK, as a redirect – needs to be deleted, as no longer needed. SJ Morg (talk) 10:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

and

Done sir. Nice article by the way. ;-) — Ched : ? 10:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much! SJ Morg (talk) 10:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

No problems .. always glad to help out where I can. — Ched : ? 10:59, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

RfC

I didn't see him reword it at the time, but it now reads, "Should site bans continue to be proposed for users even though they are already blocked indefinitely?". I don't know if you saw this before your last comment, but it definitely changes the interpretable meaning of the RfC. Cheers :> Doc talk 06:11, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

WOW ... I'll say. That certainly does change the meaning. I'll stop back tomorrow as it's rather late here. Thank you Doc for pointing that out to me. — Ched : ? 06:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem! I can see now how easily it could have been misread, but I saw the attempted policy change when it happened and then the RfC opening, so I knew the background that sparked it. I predict it may get a little snowy in that neck of the woods, but I'm no weatherman! 'Nite :> Doc talk 06:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for the note and links Linda Rider (talk) 19:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I hope everything can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction. Best of luck. — Ched : ? 20:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA, I really appreciate it. =)

And on a slightly pertinent note, I just noticed your signature is strikingly similar to that of Pedro's. Just thought I'd point that out. Master&Expert (Talk) 00:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi M&E. I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, but I'll also keep an eye open for other users in the future to support as well. Re: "Pedro" - yes, I fully admit that I have copied his sig. code and adopted it for my sig. IIRC it all started back in 2009 during an April 1 day of humor when many editors copied his sig; however, I found that the clean simple look of it appealing, and it made it easy to spot when scrolling quickly through long pages. There is much to admire about Pedro, and hopefully he realizes my copying his signature is more an homage than a mimic or mock. There is also at least one other editor who uses that sig. as well. On a side note: He (Pedro) is also the person who nom'ed me for RfA, so I'm content to keep the sig unless or until he would object. So... Best of luck in your continued fine work on WP. Cheers and best. — Ched : ? 08:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Pedro's quite the character, never compromises on his principles, nor shy's away from giving his honest opinion. The quintessential straightshooter. I've always quite liked him. =)

Yep, you can definitely count on seeing a guy named Kurtis around Wikipedia from next week onward. I guess you noticed that I, too, am getting my name usurped. It's something I've thought about for quite some time, but with my RfA, I got more incentive to do so. And good thing, too — I'd grown rather dispirited with this username.

Take care, and I hope to see you around again sometime. =) Master&Expert (Talk) 12:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Credo sign-up

Hi Ched! We're going to go through a new round of sign-ups in August. You'll be high on the list if you just add your name here: Wikipedia:Credo_accounts#Sign-up sheet. Cheers, Ocaasi^{t | c} 11:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Already there .. thank you. — Ched : ? 13:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Today's lulz

***Slapping the creator of horrible puns! *** Montanabw^(talk) 18:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

<hangs head>... I sorwy. Facebook is a terrible disease, and there's no known cure. :/ — Ched : ? 19:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ched

So nice to see that you found your right name, awesome Wikipedian of 5 October 2009 and 18 February 2012, changed here, but not the historic one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Name

Oh gods, I don't know what to call you anymore! I don't think I can deal with this change in username...it's just too much! — Huntster (t @ c) 08:32, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

(watching) see above, I like that he took the name I called him anyway, matching his signature --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Not exactly real high on the originality scale I guess - but still lets me distance myself from "real life" a bit. I guess it's an "epic fail" on "teh dramaz" scale too. In the end, I'm not embarrassed by my efforts over the years, so it's not like I wanted to disappear either. Wonder if I should change my "sig" ...

Naaaa — Ched : ? 13:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Good change, but I just can't believe the name "Ched" was free and available. Every single account name I, or err... another one of me, ever try to, ahem, register, is always taken. (Yeah, including User:Jaws, even though there wasn't a userpage for it until db created it as a redirect.) I suppose you probably had to get "Ched" usurped? Even so, it's amazing. Bishonen | talk 15:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

Yep .. Master look and find User:Ched - but only have half-dozen minor edits from 2005-2007. Master ask on user talk if ok to use - no reply after a week.. request WP:USURP. Great kind powers look down kindly from above on little master. All happy in "Cheddom" now. :) — ChedZILLA 15:34, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know...

...he's not actually a rabbit! Nuff said. -- Cassianto ^Talk 18:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Really?. And yes, I did get the humor - that still doesn't make it right. Just be careful with those kinds of things in the future - not everyone "gets it" is all I'm saying. Nuff said? — Ched : ? 19:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

oh come on lighten up! I have been offended with some of the things he has said like the constant swearing (not everyone "gets" that either). Caustic humour is what he displays to others and often throws it about freely, not giving a hoot about the repercussions. A taste of his own medicine, I think, is justified here. -- Cassianto ^Talk 19:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

OK - maybe. Yes, I know that Br'er can give as good as he gets. Not something I was trying to make a big deal out of. Just be careful with that kind of humor - sometimes it can come back at you in ways you weren't expecting. I've noticed that not everyone here has a particularly great sense of humor; and I know I'm an old fart about the joint - and "NO" .. I do not want to be a grumpy old "get off my lawn" curmudgeon about things. Just offering a tip. — Ched : ? 19:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. Thanks for the look out. Tip taken. :-) -- Cassianto ^Talk 19:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Coolio :-) — Ched : ? 19:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

A kind and generous view - in your opinion

Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Youreallycan#Outside_view_by_Fasttimes68

- diff - The user whose comment you supported and described as "a kind and generous view" (previous diff) was an extreme WP:BLP violator that I defended living people against over a lengthy period - he attacked me repeatedly, personally and at any noticeboard report, as they all do - since your support of his comments against me. he is now blocked indef by the committee - diff Youreallycan 23:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the update. — Ched : ? 12:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Another update

He he. darwinbish ^BITE 19:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC).

LOL .. FANTASTIC!!! Immabe lovin' dat. — Ched : ? 19:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

CCI

For CCI's where the problem is from a user copying too much from the source yet referencing it, a good way for those unfamiliar to double check is the [toolserver.org/~dcoetzee/duplicationdetector/ Duplication Detector Tool]. I went and used it on the York article and found a 59-word copypaste on Ref #1, starting at "flesh is coarse textured crisp...". The trick sometimes is to just go through the article and check the sources rather than trying to figure out what parts the user may or may not have added. No need to stop, just make sure you're looking at all possible sources. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Wiz, thanks for the toolserver tip, that speeds things up immensely! Montanabw^(talk) 18:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference

I'm sorry to report that there were not enough accounts available for you to have one. I have you on our list though and if more become available we will notify you promptly.

We're continually working to bring resources like Credo to Wikipedia editors, and this will very hopefully not be your last opportunity to sign up for one. If you haven't already, please check out WP:HighBeam and WP:Questia, where accounts are still available. Cheers, Ocaasi 19:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Your question

"@SilkTork - can you clarify "how many" people it takes before a small group of people become a part of the community?" I am not sure what you are asking me. Everyone who takes part in Wikipedia is part of the community, so there isn't an amount of people. Perhaps you were thinking of asking me to clarify how much impact a dispute needs to have before I feel that it is worth the Committee's time? If there's a disagreement between two people on their talk pages, and it doesn't spill out beyond their talk pages, and nobody else gets involved, then there is zero impact. If a disagreement has spilled out, so that articles are unstable, titles are being moved and removed, information is being frequently altered so that readers are uncertain what is reliable, and there are several discussions a month on the admin forums which drag in 20+ admins who argue bitterly rather than dealing with other issues, then that is significant impact. This case request appears to fall somewhere between those two extremes. I am inclined to feel, based on the evidence presented, that the impact of this dispute falls closer to zero than significant. If I am presented with evidence that it is closer to significant than I am currently seeing, then I will certainly have a rethink.

I'm not watchlisting this page, so if you have any follow up comments on this, please let me know on my talkpage. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 19:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to respond SilkTork - it's appreciated. — Ched : ? 18:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

.. and your comment

"Jimbo had the decency to respond to the established process, which is Arbcom, when questioned after he blocked an admin."[2] Really? Are you sure you didn't mean he had the decency to try to bully me into withdrawing the case, and (somewhat successfully) to bully Arbcom into dismissing it with a fatuously one-sided motion? If Jimbo's godkingly "statement" here isn't enough for you, perhaps it would help to consult the Wikipedia Review leaks of what went on re the case on the secret Arbcom mailing list, much of it in defiance of even remotely "established process". Setting up Jimbo as the moral superior of Raul as regards RFAR? Please. Bishonen | talk 21:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC).

That told you :D -- on the other hand, Jimbo didn't flip the bird at the committee. --Famously Sharp (talk) 00:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

On the which hand? That's an issue of style, not morality. Raul's declining to make a statement was an expression of self-respect (appropriate or not, according to your taste; me, I don't have a problem with it). Not an expression of moral turpitude like the threats and manipulations at [Wikipedia Review link redacted]. Bishonen | talk 10:50, 23 August 2012 (UTC).

Hi Ms. Bishonen. First - my apologies for the delay in responding to this (real life often inconveniently, but frequently, tends to encroach on my wiki-time). Second, I hope you know how much respect and admiration I have for you. Now...

I didn't mean to imply that I thought that Jimbo's behavior in that particular "case" was proper - in fact, I thought the whole concept of chastising you, while tossing out the "toxic" word was outright hypocritical. I didn't expand on my thoughts of that case however, because I didn't think it would be particularly relevant or productive. I don't know Raul, and haven't interacted with him simply because I've never put much stock or value in collecting little gold stars and green circles.^[1] If someone improves upon anything that I've written, then that's great. But I digress. My view was that when asked, the whole I have better things to do with my time than trying to paint pictures for the blind. came across (to me anyway) as a direct slap in the face to the Arbs, the process, and by extension the community. They, (the Arbs), have in the past spoken out about a lack of response (in the Civility case), yet they seem to be oddly content that one single individual can consider himself to be above community policy. I could go on a bit more, but it likely wouldn't change anything. I think I'll head off to read that WR thread. Oh, and hi there Famously Sharp.

^[1] I don't intend that to mean I'm dismissive of those who /do/ work on GA or FAP stuff - I very much admire the work they/you all do. It's just that for /me/ .. Wikipedia is only a part-time hobby, and that I don't frequently indulge myself in those areas. Typically only to assist or respect/honor another user.

Cheers and best to all. — Ched : ? 18:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Practice makes perfect AKA keep your bit sharp

Ched, since you misunderstood last time, here's your chance at "practice makes perfect". I transferred seven photos to Commons. This means you need to delete the EN copy. Any questions, let me know. They are:

Thanks. PumpkinSky talk 00:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Okie dokie ..

Done. Hope I got everything right. — Ched : ? 00:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your early support in my successful RfA despite my aversion for America's second most popular sport. I hope to continue to maintain your trust in me.—Bagumba (talk) 23:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations Bagumba. Just research before you act. Don't let your emotions get the best of you, and you'll do fine. And yes, sadly there are precious few in the NASCAR editing areas. Sadder yet is that I keep getting pulled away from it .. lol. Cheers. — Ched : ? 04:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Poke, poke

I have mentioned you name here. I apologize for taking it on me to interpret your motives for certain actions, and invite your correction. Bishonen | talk 00:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC).

Thank you very much Bish - greatly appreciated. It took me a couple tries, but I did manage to get my post in there. To be honest, I have indeed been avoiding AN, ANI, any Arb stuff .. and even much of the FAP related material. It all does very often lead to me feeling frustrated in the extreme. The bickering tends to weigh heavily on me at times - so I'm trying to refocus on finding areas, people, projects, and articles where I (and we) can simply try to improve the project. Wish me luck. :-) — Ched : ? 00:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

(watching) I wish you luck! If you are looking for an area: the "Literary influence" section of Kafka needs expanding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:02, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Noting your reference

Just in case anyone asks, the diff for the comment you were referring to is here. Risker (talk) 02:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh .. Thank you Ma'ma. See, I listen/read when you guys talk/write. And I like when I see kindness and compassion at that level (which I know is hard considering that's were all the worst behavior ends up anyway). — Ched : ? 02:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

IPs can't make Wiki love (whether that fear of anonymous amorous contact is medically justified is another matter) so I stole this pussycat from someone else's talk page. Thanks for your help. 207.157.121.92 (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

TY very much 207, both for the kitten, and for the articles - very nice work. My sock, that big oafish giant lizard informs me that he has no fear of "anonymous amorous contact" due to technical limitations ... baahaahaa .. been waiting AGES to use that one .. still gonna have to sneak it in on Bish one of these days .. lol. — Ched : ? 19:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Nice. Eh, I didn't know you were two people, or one people and a hybrid. That sounds exciting. Oh, and if you don't mind nominating it, I'll do some reviewing. 207.157.121.92 (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I started this page, and see: this conversation. Since (especially) it involves a BLP we/you/they may need to tweak the hook a bit, or specifically cite where the term "inflammatory" is used. — Ched : ? 20:10, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I saw that, Mr. Lizardman, thanks. Truth, not verifiability. I made a remark at the nomination as well; I don't know how to make that hook more exciting without using the word "goat fucker". Suggestions are welcome. Thank you, 66.168.247.159 (talk) 03:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Final push

The Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Vanished 6551232 CCI is down to its final 25 articles. If we can tackle one a day each we can get it done in a week, and two a day will get it closed by the end of the weekend. Let's see if we can get this done and cut down a bit on the CCI backlog, we've been doing great so far. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a gander later tonight .. ty for the reminder Wiz. — Ched : ? 19:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Vanished 6551232 is now complete. Thank you for your assistance in the evaluation of this CCI.

Nice to finally see another one closed. :) --Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Diligence and Teamwork

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		You helped in so many ways on these two CCIs, I can't begin to reiterate them; and CCI work is super boring, to most users, and thankless. Well, on this occasion here's a huge THANK YOU for you. Many helped out and this was a great example of wiki teamwork, especially this last several weeks where many got together to wrap this up. PumpkinSky talk 11:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. In all honesty, I didn't really do all that much; and what little I did was educational for me. I always enjoy working with you folks. Although - If I don't see web.archive.org for a few weeks - that will be fine too. :) — Ched : ? 13:43, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

In this issue:

Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
Research: The most recent DR data
Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 18:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Why am I getting this? I don't recall signing up for it. — Ched : ? 21:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Anecdotal evidence suggests that it went out to everyone who took part in the dispute resolution survey conducted some time back. But I could be wrong. Intothat darkness 21:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm starting to get the impression that this is the topic of the day. :-D — Ched : ? 21:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ched! The opt-out list is dead, since all future mailings will be opt-in only. I removed your name from that page just so as not to confuse others into thinking any action was required. Sorry for the disruption. Cheers, Ocaasi^{t | c} 21:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Please tell me you are not now spamming people telling them you will no longer be spamming them. I mean, really. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks Ocaasi .. appreciate that. I also posted to a discussion somewhere too where people were talking about it. No big deal, just that I don't even get the Signpost or NASCAR news "automatically". I thought maybe Steve Z put me on the list cause I've always been supportive of him in that type of work. No harm done. Best of luck to all you folks - it's a tough job.

I posted to a page to opt-out KC, Ocassi was just following up on it. (kinda funny though - smiles) — Ched : ? 21:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Well aware of what it's about, Ched, I was one of the 985 who were forcibly opted in to begin with. I was just hoping that he's not planning to spam everyone who opted out or discussed the matter, or worse yet, everyone he originally opted in against their knowledge. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Okies. I've only been on a few minutes; and haven't looked around much yet. I guess this got a lot of discussion then. — Ched : ? 21:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Well actually you missed all the ~~excitement~~ ~~fun~~ ~~attacks~~ ~~accusations of spamming~~ discussion about it, but it is all sorted now. KillerChihuahua^?!? 23:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Dang. I miss /all/ the fun stuff. :) — Ched : ? 23:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Credo

Hey, would you ping me when you receive your account code? I want to check in on that so I know if they went out to everyone. Thanks, Ocaasi^{t | c} 23:47, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Sure - no problem. I haven't gotten anything yet - either on my talk or email, but will let you know when I do. Cheers, and thanks for the note. — Ched : ? 00:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Hm

Hmm, not sure about that. How do you figure? Might it be a little coatrack-y? Bishonen | talk 08:50, 5 September 2012 (UTC).

we both know I screw up on a daily basis lol. I'll look back at it .. I've watchlisted, and will gladly defer to your preferences on it. — Ched : ? 23:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Re LessHeard vanU

I was addressing a civility issue, don't fuss at me for that.

Here's the order of things, as far as I've found:

July 25: GabeMc left a standard message on LessHeard vanU's page notifying him that he was mentioned in a discussion, as is common courtesy around here
July 26: LeftHeard vanU responds in a condescending manner
GabeMc does not contact him again.
September 4: LessHeard vanU leaves a message on GabeMc's page titled "You are grey," and says "Proud of yourself, little man?". GabeMc removes this message and asks LessHeard vanU to not post on his page again.
Today: LessHeard vanU, a "retired" user continues to goad GabeMc. GabeMc removes this message and asks a "retired" user for a second time to leave him alone. It was only then that I leave one message telling LessHeard vanU to not harass other users. You then come in and threaten to block me for this. I see you have left no message for LessHeard vanU regarding his goading another user and hiding behind "retirement" as an excuse.

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Ian.thomson (talk) 23:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see this. I've responded on your talk. I suggest anyone truly wanting to understand this issue actually READ Mark's comment. Rather insightful I think. Now as to where you can ~~stick~~ place your fish .... — Ched : ? 00:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Deletions needed

This are now on Commons. Pls delete the EN copies: File:MaligneLakeBaldHills.JPG and File:Malignelakereflection.JPG PumpkinSky talk 23:25, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Deletions needed

This are now on Commons. Pls delete the EN copies: File:MaligneLakeBaldHills.JPG and File:Malignelakereflection.JPG PumpkinSky talk 23:25, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks like Magog the Ogre got it. — ChedZILLA 01:17, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Lead sentence.

2012 U.S. diplomatic missions attacks: On September 11, 2012, a series of protests started in response to a YouTube trailer of a film presented with the title Innocence of Muslims and considered blasphemous by many Muslims.

Do some people actually believe that? Personally I'm sure glad I don't depend on Wikipedia for fact checking. — ChedZILLA 09:57, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chedzilla (talk • contribs) 10:00, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

1 deletion needed

I processed the OTRS for this on en then moved it to commons. Pls delete the en wiki copy of File:Jackie Evancho at Ironstone.jpg. Tks. PumpkinSky talk 15:39, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Done — Ched : ? 15:57, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Katie Gallagher infobax image 2012.jpeg this one too. This one has a typo in the name that I fixed on Commons, so the Commons one won't "show through" after deletion. Name fixed in the article. Thanks. PumpkinSky talk 02:32, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh good grief dude. Will you just please just go get your bits back please? Here .. let me help you - you go over to this link here - tell 'em you're back .. most of 'em know anyway .. and ya get on with it. Geesh .. don't be such a drama whore. Pick up your bits and do this shit yourself. BTW ...

Done this time - but I ain't gonna hold your hand no more. "git 'er done". — Ched : ? 05:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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Don't call names, you artless ill-nurtured mammet!

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OMFG! That is TOO funny! It's going to my user page! Montanabw^(talk) 18:27, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Tears

I just ran across Template:Friendship Barnstar and read what you said about me. A tear formed in my Left eye. (My Right eye never cries in public). The fact that I was chopping onions for this evenings fish fry had nothing to do with it. TY. ```Buster Seven Talk 13:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

very sad that so much of Wikipedia brings tears to people's eyes. — Ched : ? 08:31, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Some random thoughts:

As social animals we strive to have positive contacts.
The contacts here are so impersonal. No flesh and blood is perceived.
This wiki is the most amazing social experiment in the history of US/WE.
Collaborators don't swear at each other, ever; unless one collaborator wants to have power over the other collaborator.

Always a pleasure. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Note

User:Ched/AC-questions

Just a note in case you intend to ask those questions.

As far as I am concerned, I already explained in 1b, and so if you paste section I, that will be my response. You are, of course, welcome to support or oppose based upon that as my response.

Second, if you post any question unfoundedly accusing me of lying, I will subsequently decline to further respond to any questions from you (or anyone who does so).

While searching for a response to your query here, I am now reminded (from reading past pages) that you were a prime motivator in support of Rlevse in the past. And that of course is fine. Discussions are open to all editors in good standing as far as I know. And so, you are welcome to your perspective (as am I). But if your goal is merely to grind an axe, I'll pass on that opportunity.

This is merely a request for additional tools/responsibilities (not unlike RfA). So you have the same ability as all other Wikipedians eligible to "vote": To support or not at your discretion. - jc37 21:48, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I will look at 1b. It's not a matter of grinding an ax Jc - you are requesting the highest position of trust in our project, and as an editor of LONG standing, I feel you do indeed deserve consideration ... However, I do have some very serious concerns with regard to your actions in the very recent past. I'm far too old to bother harboring grudges on the internet - but I honestly feel that your judgement as it would pertain to standing in judgement of other users is seriously lacking. Were it simply a one time thing with the PS RfA I might have passed on asking questions - but coupled with your behavior both at the page protection and in requesting Arb intervention goes to the very heart of a position you're seeking. How you choose to respond to my questions is of course entirely up to you. — Ched : ? 21:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

"It's not a matter of grinding an ax" - Glad to hear it.

And yes, I fully expect that people will look mostly at the last year, and some will not look at my other contributions around Arbcom (or any of my other contributions) at all. That's up to each editor's discretion. There's only so many hours in the day, after all : )

And from your comments above, it sounds like you considered it, and have already made a determination.

As for "highest position of trust" - Hmm. dunno, depends on one's perspective. I'd heartily agree that when it comes to confidential and "real life" issues. (Though others have some tools/responsibilities along those lines as well.) But one might say that the highest position of trust in our project is entrusted to every editor. We're trusting them to freely edit the encyclopedia. Anyone can edit. That's a powerful ability. - jc37 22:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually I've seen some impressive things from you over the years. It's one reason I have been a bit curious over the last few months. I also agree that serving on Arbcom is an arduous and thankless task that few would be willing to take on. I suppose the fact that I ran my own domain for over 15 years leaves me less than impressed with the ability to edit a webpage, but your point is taken there.

The concept of "lies" has been mentioned here - and it's one that does indeed trouble me. It's so very easy to develop a belief from something one has read on the internet, and I do note the difference between "misunderstanding" and "lying" in a deliberate attempt to deceive. In fact your statement "... there are the myriad levels of deception and rampant socking, and the repeated refusal to even accept he did anything problematic,..." left me quite perplexed. You're claim that he admitted it (Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2012/Candidates/Jc37) was even more of a "what's going on?" for me. I do indeed await the proof, links, and diffs for such a serious accusations. So in that respect the "much deception and disruption" aspect (in that same post) is most certainly a concern for me. I will eagerly await your proof/diffs/links before posting my questions though. Perhaps I'll find no reason to post them at all. My health doesn't permit me to spend extended periods of time up and about, but I will check back on this subject by tomorrow. Thank you for your interest, and stating your intents should I post the questions. — Ched : ? 23:26, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, spent quit a bit of today doing searches and what not, and pretty much compiled a list of diffs and links. (And I'd thank you for the opportunity to be saddened again at seeing the events around someone who I was friendly with in the past (As you may recall, I rather actively supported him for arbcom, among other things), but I did offer, so I really have no one but myself to blame for my sadness.)

But you know, it seems to me that I really don't see a purpose of bringing up his past on-wiki again. I gave my reasons at his RfA, and I think that's probably enough.

As for your initial question, when he was supposedly RTV, he created Pumpkinsky. And he admitted that deception here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive231#PumpkinSky_return_request

His words: " I apologize to the community for presenting myself as a new user."

Is that alone mild? Possibly. Was there a lot more "stuff"? Yes, I think that's more than fair to say. But I think it's the only link I'll post at this time.

If this helps you, great. if not, well, feel free to "vote" oppose or whatever..

Regardless, I wish you well.

Incidentally, I'm sorry to hear you have health issues. I hope every day for you is better than your last. - jc37 05:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

(watching) "I apologize to the community for presenting myself as a new user." - that makes one layer of deception, in my math. Define "myriad", I may have language issues. Socking is when someone secretly uses multiple accounts at the same time. I fail to see where that would have happened. - But to my statement for the election: I am not concerned about true or false, I intentionally didn't even say who. I am concerned about 1) opposing several trustworthy users, 2) only looking backward, 3) a wording that I am not able to describe politely, that makes three concerns I don't want to see in an arb. - I will not calculate my sadnesses, you know which point I reached, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not going to get into a debate about what it means to be socking or using sockpupptery (and/or possibly meatpuppetry). But I believe the term is a bit broader than how you appear to be describing it, including (and not limited to) editing as an IP (or a different account) while your account is blocked. - jc37 19:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time Jc, to be honest, I had hoped you would have "compiled a list"(?) prior to your accusations in the recent RfA; but past is past. I'll take you at your word that you supported Rlevse in the past, as your link to support that at the RfA was a red-link. As to your "opportunity to be saddened again", I'll suggest a thought or two on that shortly.

Actually it's not "his past" that I'm bringing up here, rather it's your recent actions I'm interested in. As for a justification for those actions, I still have not seen a (list of?) quote(s), diff(s), or link(s) that I believe fills that bucket. With all due respect, if:

" I apologize to the community for presenting myself as a new user."

is going to be your measuring stick for an editor to "admit" to:

"myriad levels of deception"
"rampant socking", and
"repeated refusal to even accept he did anything problematic"

Then I surely hope I'm never in position to witness sanctions being handed out in such a court. But I do suppose that it does indeed help me determine your mindset in such a case.

Now, in general here: First, my apologies if this comes across as lecturing, but I'm hoping you can take away something of value here. I don't recall ever seeing a situation where an editor (me) started working on a presentation for something (RfC, RfC/U, RfA, RFAR, etc.) wherein the subject approached the editor (in less than 3 hours from first post) preemptively stating their (your) intents as to what they would and would not respond to. Be that as it may, the die has been cast here, and in a sense, at least it gives me an opportunity to adjust my questions so that perhaps you will be willing to respond to them.

Secondly, I do thank you for your kind words, but I doubt my personal issues are of much concern to wiki - and even if they were, I'm doing the best I can to get them remedied. Still, I do very much appreciate your kindness. That is a quality I hope you'll be able to find within yourself for many years to come.

Now, going back to your "sadness" item. In doing my best to understand what you are trying to convey, I've come up with this response. In a situation where someone that we've supported in the past falls into disrepute, then I suppose it is natural to some people to think "I feel sad that I supported that person". Perhaps 40 (or 50+) years ago I, myself would have even thought of my own reputation in that regard. As the years have passed though, I now put myself in the person's shoes who has gotten themselves into a predicament, and try to consider a way to help and support them in their times of strife. In fact there have indeed been times that a person whom I supported at RfA has made an error in judgement, and while there may be a natural inclination to feel embarrassed that I supported a person who erred - I think the better approach is to tell them why I might think they were wrong, and to suggest thoughts that may help them in the future.

In the end, I appreciate your time here, and I'll work on wording my questions in a fashion that you'll feel comfortable in answering. My very best to you in all you do Jc. — Ched : ? 16:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

o/ <Ched waves> .. Hi Gerda. How are things for you these days? Hope all is well. I didn't want to interrupt your discussion up there - but I didn't want to ignore that you visited my talk. All my best to you and yours. — Ched : ? 16:59, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

precious

(nicest of edit conflicts) Ched, did you know that you are precious? (realized only now that this wasn't saved before) I'm with dear people, so well, but short, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. To try to answer the above:

Afaik, there were several different deceptions, including the usage of Pumpkinsky over not a short period of time to intentionally deceive the community after his RTV. But you are right that I'm just unwilling to dredge up all that past back up at this time. I just don't see it as necessary in the current situation. Let's leave PS alone. I suggested to another editor to disengage [3], and I'm attempting to follow my own advice here : )

My "sadness" is toward the situation. It's not "regret" (what it sounds like you're describing) for my own actions (I had no way to know, and acted in good faith).

That redlink (and several others for other arbcom candidates) were displayed on my userpages during that past election. They were userboxes. And I even went to rlevse to ask him what image he would prefer in it. [4] (The wording was customisable, but the default was "An excellent choice!") Afaik, that's all still visible. I just deleted the boxes since that election is long over. As you are an admin, you should be able to view it here. - jc37 19:04, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Clarification please: "Let's leave PS alone." .. I wasn't aware that I was bothering him. I'm really lost on that one Jc. Either way .. thanks for clarifying what you have. I'll try to get my questions posted by the end of the day. (I'm east coast USA). Cheers. — Ched : ? 19:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Every time you ask about his past, I feel like you're dredging up his past, and to my mind, not to his benefit, though I'm guessing you (and others) disagree. Regardless, we are merely responsible for our own choices. So while you are welcome to choose or not to do X, so too am I. Hence why I am making this choice, as I just don't think dredging up his past is a productive exercise at this time.

As my final thought on this (and I think at this point, it's pretty much final as far as AE2012 questions are concerned), I'll quote from myself at his RfA. I am thinking that maybe, perhaps there may be some who might not have understood me:

"And I opposed br'er rabbit being banned. But this page isn't a "request to boot off the project". This is request for adminship. Just because someone may not be supporting someone being blocked or banned, doesn't mean they necessarily may agree with trusting them with the tools and responsibilities of adminship."

Adminship isn't required to be an editor here.

This wasn't some blocking or banning discussion.

He made his choice to leave.

You can choose to blame me if you like, I suppose, but I am merely one Wikipedian. And I will flatly denounce the idea that my opposing someone gaining some additional tools, "drove" them to go on extended wiki break. (You may find MeatBall:GoodBye interesting reading.)

As I said above, a person is responsible for their own choices.

Anyway, so much for that. On to new topics. - jc37 21:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

peace

Sorry, I have language difficulties. "Let's leave PS alone." - you said, and I thought about it on my trip home. I will leave the thoughts here even if you decided you are done. I will not leave PS alone. I was with him in good days, dismal days, great days, and now good days again, just not on Wiki. But perhaps that is not what you meant? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

My questions are now posted. At this point, arb or not, I would caution you (consider it a Warning if you like) on any further rhetoric such as "... there are the myriad levels of deception and rampant socking, and the repeated refusal to even accept he did anything problematic". I would remind you that extraordinary accusations require extraordinary evidence, and any further implications or insinuations in this venue without solid evidence could result in sanctions per WP:HARASSMENT and WP:NOTHERE. While the later is an essay, it has been used in the past by a sitting arb. Just letting you know. You're now welcome to have the last word if you wish. — Ched : ? 23:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Evidence on that was already given in that RfA discussion. You are welcome to not like it or not agree. RfA is a discussion about whether and why each editor as an individual may or may not entrust someone with the tools and responsibilities of adminship. I added to that discussion. You were welcome to add to the discussion as well (and I believe you did). That RfA is done. So there is no need to re-argue it.

And atm, I'm not the one attempting to dredge up the past about other editors. You are. I have tried repeatedly to suggest you stop. And how I do not wish to continue such discussion.

As I said above I realise that you are someone who staunchly has supported Rlevse/PS in the past. And yet knowing that, I have in good faith attempted to civilly communicate with you. However, your accusations of lying (however the sentence was framed) and now warnings, don't feel like open discussion to say the least. (Honestly, your tone is causing WP:Battle to come to mind atm.) It's really is starting to feel like you're looking to fight some battle. And if so, then I'll indeed disengage, as I have zero interest in that. (You might want to read WP:NOTHERE yourself.) If you have some grievance you want addressed, at this point, I'll point you to the WP:DR process. WP:AN/I is thataway.

And I am not concerned about "last words". A part of life on Wikipedia is discussion, and I sincerely try to respond to good faithed requests.

Anyway I have tried to answer your questions (I recall a discussion concerning RTV which I was in, so if I can find a link to that I'll add it.)

Good day. - jc37 02:46, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Hi

Ched, I appreciate that. Haven't been terribly active over the past few months...interest is mainly over at Commons these days, pretty pictures and all that. I must say you've been a smarter and more active admin and editor that I ever was, so good on you, and the project is better for it. — Huntster (t @ c) 10:15, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Can't say I agree on the "smarter and more active admin and editor" part - but thank you. I'll drop in there to see what kind of work you're doing. I used to love photography - but it's been a while. What kind of camera do you use? — Ched : ? 02:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a photographer myself, I find free images around the net (NASA, military, etc) and upload them. I also like organising them in new and interesting categories. — Huntster (t @ c) 14:43, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Ahhhh ... one who enjoys finding, sorting, organizing, and cataloging things eh? I should put you in charge of my DVD collection. :P ... — Ched : ? 15:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

wtf?

Perhaps I don't have the best of reputations on wiki? What makes you think that? NE Ent 15:39, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey ... I'll take my compliments where I can get 'em. :-) ... Thanks NE!! — Ched : ? 02:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I think your reputation is that of an honest wikipedian! That is, of course, the problem. Montanabw^(talk) 20:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

TY Montanabw. Funny thing: I actually remember when "honest" was a good thing. Then again; I seem to be drifting into FAR too many "I remember when" conversations the last few years. :P (now if I could only remember what I had for breakfast) — Ched : ? 01:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

You have an ongoing offer of ad-lib GrannyHugz from me, too. And I remember when the only two TV channels here were BBC and ITV (in black and white) ... and I remember the winter of 62/63 ... and I remember typing around 100,000 words of my first attempt at a book on a tripe-writer (which we still have!) with the old red-and-black ribbon ... ;P Jeeze, we're gettin' old! Pesky (talk) 09:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Age is scary! We need a userbox for those in their 5th decade (and 6th and so on...) I remember living in a world of only 2 channels also, with a guarantee of a "technical difficulties- please stand by" test pattern at least a couple times every evening! Our family was the first in our neighborhood to have a color TV - all the neighbors kept "dropping by" for days! LOL! Oh, and I can even remember when the station would sign off at midnight! However, I also can't remember what I had for breakfast... Montanabw^(talk) 22:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I didn't have breakfast – that's easy to remember! Pesky (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Rp to Ched re "I actually remember when "honest" was a good thing": being honest is in fact a good thing. But that reminds me that having "honestly" as one's favourite word is a bad, bad sign. I can think of a couple of Wikipedians right off the bat who use it in every other sentence, it's like a tic. No, I'm not going to say who they are, you'll just have to activate the braincells. Bishonen, spryly in her ~~12th decade~~ 20th decade, I meant! Memory going just a little! But I can distinctly remember writing Jane Eyre ! (talk), 16:15, 6 December 2012 (UTC).

Hello there good people - hope all are well. I'll respond in a day or two. :-) — Ched : ? 07:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Hope all is as OK as can be with you, too. With regard to qualities, I think the combination of intelligence, integrity and courage takes some beating. Ched, you have all three in abundance. Pesky (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I ... I ... ok .. I'm at a total loss for words now. — Ched : ? 14:07, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't know why, its been my opinion of you for as long as I can remember. wtf, indeed. Killer Chihuahua 14:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

PUPPY!!! So great to see you! Actually I did notice you about, but after the fact, in a conversation regarding what should and should not be on TFA - and I quite agreed with you. I also thought Giano made some quite astute observations as well. I do hope you get over the flu/cold issues quickly btw. On topic though .. thank you ... (and to you all). FWIW - it wasn't so much a comment of self-pity, as one in reflection of my often defending others who seem to have run afoul of certain elements in the project who seem to enjoy brandishing pitch-forks and torches. I suppose it left me feeling out of touch and beyond my prime in some ways. As to "remembering" .. yes, we had 3 TV stations here when I was young, B&W, and the screen was actually rounded .. but good times indeed. :-D. — Ched : ? 15:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh wow, is that the only place you've seen me recently? Then you missed that I am omg an abusive admin ...again. Killer Chihuahua 16:07, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh my goodness - I saw that one and once I got done laughing at the absurdity of it all I clicked the edit button, but hit an (edit conflict) .. apparently with the person closing it. — Ched : ? 16:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Voyager TV.com links

Hi...

I've undone your removal of the TV.com external links from numerous Voyager articles. As the current form of the template states, it is under consideration for deletion. If the consensus is to delete, a bot will be tasked to remove it from all articles. If the consensus results in keeping the template, I will modify each Star Trek episode article (not just those of Voyager) to contain a fixed link. The current "dead link" condistion is occurring because the TV.com website re-organized, making the previously working URL's invalid. Again, if the template is kept, I'll repair the links. Also, in the future, if you encounter a dead link, please tag it so (using {{dead link}}) to allow others an opportunity to notice the problem and repair it rather than simply deleting it out of hand. Thanks, Cbbkr (talk) 21:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

My dear fellow wikipedian, you seem to be gravely mistaken on few things here. But first and foremost, please go back and read the edit summary I left with each and every removal. The removal was not for some "TfD" discussion (which if you take the time to look you will notice that I actually did comment in), but rather because the link was BROKEN. Let's just take a recent example your edits here - now let's look at the link you've reinserted after I actually did check before removing: LIKE THIS ONE. Hmmmm - what's that you say? I do believe the page says: 404 Sorry, this page does not exist. . Now, If the template is not deleted, and If you manage to get the multiple template issues resolved, and If there are no problems say at WP:EL/N, and IF you get a bot to fix these issues, and If you had requested nicely for the {{dead link}}, and If wishes were horses ...

A bit snarky? Perhaps, but I don't much care for arrogance, WP:OWNership, inserting broken links, (even If they might be fixed at some future date ^[when?]), or being lectured to when what I've done is quite proper by all policies and guidelines. (and I won't even go into how uglied up this whole TfD thing has made the pages). NOW - I will ask YOU that if you are going to reinsert a link I've removed; in the future, at least have the decency to actually "FIX" it.

Now, if we're done being so snotty with each other, I believe we have a common interest in Star Trek. Perhaps we could consider being a bit more pleasant with one another - I'm willing. — Ched : ? 22:26, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh, come on

[5] And I expect you can think of a few more games played on this site, little Ched! bishzilla _ROARR!! 00:02, 9 December 2012 (UTC).

<quivering> hon-hon-honorable 'Zilla. I had no idea that your master was willing to work on this issue. By all means I'm willing to strike my "delete" - and have done so. I very much remember your family taking me in under their wing(s) and helping me - I hope that YOGO will appreciate your efforts. I am sorry for having pulled you so far away from your home. Please convey my respects to Ms. 'shonen for me. <reaches up and pats 'Zilla's massive shoulder .. then runs in and gives master huggles and huggzzz ... runs away> — Ched : ? 14:07, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

There is a list of genuine BLP violations now on Bish's talkpage. I'm not sure why she's so keen to keep this around, but those would have to be fixed immediately to avoid deletion. And I would point out that I'm not the one going round accusing everyone of various everythings. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Elen, sorry for the delay in responding over the weekend. I did a quick look at the BLP stuff, and agree that there were/are concerns. The last time I looked at the AfD it appeared to be a pretty solid delete consensus, and the sub-page history showed that Bish was working on addressing a lot of it. I can't say that I actually "get it" as far as that type of humor either, but if Ms. 'sonen was willing to take in a wayward soul, I was willing to give her a chance. I'll also note that I likely owe you an apology for my "tone", and I admit that I DO know better. "I'm sorry". I can only offer this: (as an explanation, not an excuse). I was honestly surprised that you were so actively involved in such a protracted discussion, but I suspect that the primary cause was a bit of a foul mood (mine). I recently read through a lengthy AN discussion of a long time editor who had run afoul of our "socking" policies. Sadly, once it was clear that the community wanted a block/ban, some of the discussion drifted into some mud-raking, so I saw the need to close that thread. I then had to go inform the editor of the consensus that the community wanted him to take a break from editing for a while. That's not something I enjoy. I guess I took it out on you with some snark. I honestly do apologize. — Ched : ? 12:28, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey, no worries. I've not been around much to reply to you either. (Looked on my talkpage for the first time in days, to discover an entire fight has broken out). Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Impostor alert

Hey, Ched! You know that guy who hacked your account (or something), per WP:BN? Now he's gone and removed your admin template! [6] Pretty vicious! So... does that mean you haven't got the g-mail thing (completely incomprehensible to a Mac user, all of it) cleared up yet, huh? Bishonen | talk 23:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC).

Hey there Ms. 'Shonen .. think I have all the Google gmail stuff back under control. Just getting ready to send arbs an email about it all. Prolly nothing really - but I tend to be a bit over cautious on that kind of stuff. I don't have the luxury of a Mac, but just got a Windows 8 (yuck) set up, and a cute little droid tablet - (not something I'd ever played with before). I'll try to get the adminy stuff fixed back up ASAP too. :-) ... hope the holiday season is treating you well. — Ched : ? 00:06, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

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— Ched : ? 18:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

thanks, also for you! - my music is on my user, to all. - you found "peace" above? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:50, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Hope you had a good one, Ched! Intothat darkness 23:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Though we haven't talked since March...
	We haven't really talked since List of female NASCAR drivers, but I'm still wishing you a Merry Christmas! Zappa O Mati 17:44, 25 December 2012 (UTC)