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Thanks for the link. I thought that Wikipedia invariably favored plural verbs in these cases because of what I've seen in many featured articles (see Nirvana and the Greencards—both American bands—for example). Are some of these worth editing? Since you are an experienced editor, I value your opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A7592 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'm glad this is helpful. Technically, yes, an article on an American band should refer to the group in the singular (e.g., "Nirvana was an alternative rock band...). If you want to fix some inconsistencies that you've seen and cite the WP:ENGVAR paradigm, I would encourage you to go for it, although some editors seem to find this system counter-intuitive and will resist despite the clear, written precedent. Cheers, CCS81 (talk) 22:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. How would you rule on "the Greencards"? I can't imagine anyone using a singular verb; the name strongly implies plurality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A7592 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Believe it or not, despite our grammatical urge to put the verb in the plural after the plural noun, the ENGVAR rules (and proper US English) would use the singular. See, off the top of my head, The Dead Milkmen, Bad Brains, New York Dolls, The Dead Boys, etc. I don't think it's really that big of an issue: other American groups like the Ramones have articles in which their plural noun names are treated grammatically in the plural, so peoples' instincts trump what is technically 'correct' all the time. Feel free to judge as you see fit. Cheers, CCS81 (talk) 04:22, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Nerf Herder

Hi,

This is Steve...drummer of Nerf Herder. I've just been trying to update to our current bio, but it keeps reverting back. Can you please help make this happen? I'd really like to replace the top portion on the wiki page with this:

"Pioneers of the late 90's Pop-Punk and Geek Rock movements, Nerf Herder are perhaps best known for their powerful theme to the iconic Joss Whedon TV show, Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Formed in Santa Barbara, California, in 1994, Nerf Herder was signed to major label Arista Records soon after their ironic tribute "Van Halen" stormed the Modern Rock charts in 1996. The video for their follow-up single, "Sorry", featured Mark Hamill and Miguel Ferrer, and played regularly on MTV. Following years saw the band touring the world multiple times, and releasing a number of albums on various labels, including esteemed indie punk label Fat Wreck Chords and novelty powerhouse Oglio Records.

The current band features founding members Parry Gripp and Steve Sherlock, with newer members Linus Dotson (of Size 14) and Ben Pringle (ex-The Rentals).

As of 2013, Nerf Herder has begun work on a new album."

Thanks, Steve — Preceding unsigned comment added by NerfHerder band (talk • contribs) 18:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Steve, nice to hear from you, even in this funny context. I've long admired your work. On to your question: I reverted your additions to the Nerf Herder article because it reads too much like promotional material, which is exactly what the added content is. While anyone can add content to Wikipedia, the additions must meet certain standards, including the maintenance of a neutral tone and a generally encyclopedic style, as differentiated from an official bio used for (self-)promotion. Also, autobiographical editing is generally considered a conflict of interest and thus more or less discouraged. Despite all of this, I recognize that the Nerf Herder article could use a LOT of work, so hopefully editors will be able to find the time to improve it soon. Until then, please consider some of these links I've included and let me know if you have any further questions or suggestions. All the best, CCS81 (talk) 21:40, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, totally understood...thank you for the insight! Needless to say, I'm a wiki-user noob. I was reprimanded for using an illegal username...which I successfully changed. I also added a current promo photo and successfully declared it public domain. (see, I'm getting the hang of this, more or less). My main reason for the initial change was to delete some incorrect info, which credited us to having a song in the documentary, "Great Global Warming Swindle in 2007". Venues and promoters tend to copy our wiki info to the listings, and it drives me nuts to see bunk info ;-) Thanks again for the help! NerfHerder band (talk) 16:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

No problem on the help, I'm happy to do it. Please let me know if you have any questions going forward. Meanwhile, it is also amazing how often information from Wiki articles gets repeated in print, even in respectable publications. It can be a real problem, and false information spreads quickly. Anyhow, all the best to you, CCS81 (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Nick Cave

Hi there – it looks like you might have resolved that particular situation yourself pretty well. If you do get any further problems, I'd be happy to help. It might be worth knowing that the first section of Comparison of American and British English#Grammar covers the band name aspect, and you can direct editors to that section to help you with any future difficulties. Cheers! Bretonbanquet (talk) 11:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Good to know, thank you. CCS81 (talk) 20:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)