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Mitch Epstein bio

Hi Bridgeplayer!

You have proposed deletion for the bio of photographer Maggie Taylor‎. While I understand that this article may be an imperfect stub, and Maggie Taylor's significance in the photography field may be challenged, I can attest to the fact that this was not a self-promotional entry, and I urge you to reconsider your deletion decision.

In fact, this biographical stub (as well as new stubs on photographers Katharina Sieverding‎, Mitch epstein, Nicolas Tikhomiroff, and Micha Bar-Am‎) were written by 16-year-old high school students studying photography, with the hope that their stub may eventually become the germ of a solid biographical article with the help of other Wiki users. (I am their photography teacher, and admittedly a Wikipedia novice myself.) The students were asked to choose a photographer whose career, contributions to the field, and body of work reflect someone worthy of a Wikipedia entry. They did their best; however I am asking them to take your challenge seriously and rewrite the stub to better establish the significance of their subject. I just fear their work will be deleted before they can do so. Thanks for your consideration! Any advice welcome! Cbaer 13:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry for the delay in replying but I have been away for a few days. What is needed in all these case are substantive independent sources attesting to notability. Examples are critical reviews in notable publications, meaningful awards, major exhibitions to which the photographer has been invited to exhibit etc. HTH Bridgeplayer 23:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Red House Yacht Club

That's way out of line for you to be nominating an article for deletion and then deleting references and text based on your subjective interpretations of the WP Guidelines. I have reverted your deletion. You may be right about the quality of the references, but this should be discussed. I'm sure that you are working with the best of intent, but as the nominator I see implied bias toward the article. --Kevin Murray 18:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Not at all out of line. I cleaned up a terrible article (which you should have done if you want it kept} and deleted trivial references that failed WP:EL. Bridgeplayer 22:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • It seems that you should withdraw the nomination if you believe that this can become a valid article through your hard efforts. Until then I can't respect your efforts as other than biased in support of your AfD nomination --Kevin Murray 22:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Please consider this a warning that removing large blocks of text and references woithout consensus during this AfD will be reported as vandalism. I'm willing to work with you, but unilateral modifications by an AfD nominator are a strange practice, which make me question your intent. Please discuss with me or other interested parties to the discussion. Thanks you. --Kevin Murray 22:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Since we seem to be in very differnt corners of this discussion, I've asked an admin to look at the situation, so that we can avoid any hard feelings. Please accept my appology if I have offended you, and misperceived your motivations. Sincerely. --Kevin Murray 23:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Post AfD editing

Re: Your comments at RYC talk and my talk page.

  • A problem with headings is that they can be overly restrictive. For example, you now have information of swimming, berthing etc. under a header sailing. To add another category would make the article choppy.
  • Chronology is desirable, but in some cases the relationship among the topics might be more important. Some of the history section could be more relevant to the information about the club's sailing program (e.g., national regattas). It's a fine line with no right answer.
  • To me telling us where the club is located is less important than the reason for notability. So I would prefer reordering the sentences in the introductory paragraph, but this is subjective. Removing the word “notability” is good, but it seems to help during the AfD when editors are doing drive-by voting.
  • I think that a reader with limited knowledge of sail boats would benefit from a description of why Lasers have dominated. I agree with the prior text as being a bit over the top, but I didn't feel strongly enough to remove another editors contribution. As the Laser is a class in the Olympics, there might be some way to tie that in, but I was reluctant to get too far off point.
  • You removed the statement about the diverse nature of the past fleets. It's not a huge loss, but it sure wasn't unsupportable. That comment allowed the removal of a large list of craft, without losing the flavor of the diversity.
  • Knowing of the sensitivity to your past involvement in deleting references and text during an AfD which you proposed, coming here to make large changes without prior discussion seems ill advised. I'll assume good faith that your intentions are for a better WP, but your comments seem to belie a sense of superiority about your POV of how an article should be structured. Guidelines are suggestions; there are many forms of style in use at WP.
  • If you feel that I have been unfairly harsh in my description of you actions, please feel free to seek the intervention you suggested at my talk page-- perhaps we might both learn something. However, as it stands I perceive your actions throughout this process to be at minimum unconventional. Yes, you can support individual actions out of context with the rest, but taken as a whole there seems to be an agenda here.

--Kevin Murray 18:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

POV

Please be careful about what you label POV. See WP:NPOV, SqueakBox 03:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

"He is well known to the UK puiblic" (sic) is opinion - please stick to sourced contributions and don't be so touchy. Bridgeplayer 03:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
You just reworded the sentiment anyway. Please just take care to help make this a nice atmosphere for others, wanting that isnt touchy, SqueakBox 04:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, sorry, its been a long day! I reworded it with two sources which is, I suggest, a significant difference! Bridgeplayer 04:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh you did a good job with the refs, SqueakBox 17:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

H5N1

2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak makes me think of Template:Bird flu around the world and Bird flu in India. WAS 4.250 04:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks; now added. Bridgeplayer 16:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. I deleted your addition to the 2006 section of Global spread of H5N1 because the event is already in Global spread of H5N1 in 2006 which is the main article for that section. If the 2007 section gets too big we'll branch it off also, leaving a summary. Note that the article is about the spread of H5N1. Details not concerned with "spread" or "Asian-lineage HPAI H5N1" don't really go in this article. We have a whole series of articles on H5N1 and more are being created, so any data you see fit to go in Wikipedia will undoubtedly be able to find a home somewhere. Thank you for helping with the H5N1 series of articles. WAS 4.250 18:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
No problem - thanks for explaining it. Bridgeplayer 18:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a good idea to burden you with unwanted information or not but in case you care ... the "Template:Bird flu around the world" template is not up to date (ie it is inaccurate).

"Tens of millions of birds have died of H5N1 influenza and hundreds of millions of birds have been slaughtered and disposed of to limit the spread of H5N1. Countries that have reported one or more major highly pathogenic H5N1 outbreaks in birds (causing at least thousands but in some cases millions of dead birds) are (in order of first outbreak occurrence): Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, China, Malaysia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Turkey, Romania, Croatia, Ukraine, Cyprus, Iraq, Nigeria, Egypt, India, France, Niger, Bosnia, Azerbaijan, Albania, Cameroon, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Israel, Pakistan, Jordan, Burkina Faso, Germany, Sudan, Ivory Coast, Djibouti, Hungary, United Kingdom."
"Highly pathogenic H5N1 has been found in birds in the wild in numerous other countries: Austria, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Greece, Iran, Italy, Kuwait, Poland, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland."

(from Global spread of H5N1) is accurate and up to date (I keep it that way). Other people keep other parts up to date but "Template:Bird flu around the world" is an orphan. Care to adopt an orphan? WAS 4.250 02:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Concerning this edit: That was not a broken link. It was a replacement within a quote. The source says "The European Commission has confirmed the presence of the virus in a farm in the southeastern Hungary" and "the virus" was replaced by [H5N1]. Brackets are used within a quote to indicate something not being quoted. Since the sentence is simple and plain with no creativity, there is no copyright-ability and the quotes could be removed or the brackets restored. I can't decide which is better. What do you think? WAS 4.250 08:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it can go either way so I have restored your version - cheers! Bridgeplayer 15:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

WPCB

I'm guessing from your handle that you are a bridge player. As such, you might be interested in participating in the (somewhat limited, alas) activities of the bridge wikiproject. Matchups 02:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you - I'll take a look at it. Bridgeplayer 02:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Peer review request

I see you are trying to file a peer review request. You need to follow all four steps under "Nomination procedure" on Wikipedia:Peer review. --Ideogram 04:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration

I have initiated a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Nearly Headless Nick disregarding consensus and consensus-related policies, a matter in which I believe you to have been involved in the case history of. Your commentary may be appreciated. Balancer 13:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


Your GA nomination of 2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak

The article 2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak you nominated as a good article has passed , see Talk:2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak for eventual comments about the article. Good luck in future nominations. Themcman1 15:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for this. Bridgeplayer 20:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Michael Satter vandalism

Thanks for letting me know, good job on rooting out that sock nest. Here's hoping it's the last of them. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Joe Peacock

Heya. Saw your afd nomination for Joe Peacock. I was kinda expecting it, so don't worry, I ain't angry ;-) I think the writer in question is notable, since he is signed a contract with Penguin Books. He is also previously published (albeit with his own publishing company). Creative Loafing published an interview with him, which I think really does make him notable. In 2002, when this article was deleted originally, he wasn't quite notable enough for Wikipedia, but since then, his rise in fame definitely warrants a WP article. What dya reckon? Talk to you soon, -GilbertoSilvaFan 16:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

What I am looking for are better secondary references attesting to his notability. Having said that, I am sure that editors, more knowledgeable than I, will have a view on him so lets see how the discussion develops. Bridgeplayer 17:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

New socks

Nice catch on that last one. I'll have to add that article to my watchlist too. --Onorem 18:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Socks

Don't be sorry, glad you're catching them! Let me know if you find more, if this keeps up I'll put up an abuse report and you can just report to WP:AIV and point to that. The checkusers will hit the proxies too (and don't bug them about it too much, they're generally not allowed to comment on IP addresses, so they probably won't say they did that), but there's a lot of open proxies out there. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Global Pastors Network

Hi Bridgeplayer. You flagged an article I was starting on the Global Pastors Network for speedy deletion. When you flagged it, it was deletion-worthy, but since then I've improved the article greatly, and while it is not "complete" by any means, I hope you'll be willing to remove your tag or let me know what I should do from here. Thanks a bunch! Nswinton 17:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have shifted the 'speedy' tag. However, if it is to survive an AfD then it needs the addition of reliable, independent sources attesting to the significance of the organisation - see WP:CITE. Bridgeplayer 22:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'll get on that. Thanks a bunch! :) Nswinton 23:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I put in a bit of effort on the article and with your approval it should be stub-worthy. The Time Magazine mention helps support notability and I wikified including an infobox. Come take a look please. ClaudeReigns 01:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Well done; I agree that it now meets notability criteria. BTW there are some inline references that could do with converting to footer references for consistency. More importantly we need to decide what to do about Notable members and leaders and Notable sponsors. Apart from the CEO the other members are only considered notable in a WP context if they have their own article. On the sponsors, unless there is independent confirmation eg on their website rather than the GPN website, I think that section should come out. Thanks for all your hard work. Bridgeplayer 03:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the tips. The article really doesnt matter, I was just trying to expand it a little bit because I like the band. It's no big deal, I'll just make a talk page for it. Thanks again, Marshmellow Mind 01:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Some Help?

Hi Bridgeplayer,

Thanks again for your constructive criticism on the GPN article. I was wondering if you could help ClaudeReigns and I out on something else if you get the time. Could you come take a look at Great Commission Association and the discussion page and possibly do some third party/moderation work for us? We could use some fresh blood, and the article has been through several months of edit wars and needs someone new. Thanks again! Nswinton 18:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I applaud your rewriting of the introductory paragraph (clap, clap.)Mmoneypenny 10:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

framing merge proposal

Please see Talk:Framing (sociology). - Grumpyyoungman01 14:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Nelson Burton (bowler)

I was thinking that the article should be moved to Nelson Burton Sr. with a redirect--what do you think? Also, please note that there is also a hockey player by that name, so perhaps "see also" links and/or a disambiguation page would be in order. --Finngall talk 23:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am happy if you make that move. I also agree that a DMB page is justified. Bridgeplayer 23:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The hockey player has been moved to Nelson Burton (hockey) and the dab page is in its place. I've also fixed links on the hockey pages that referenced the original. --Finngall talk 01:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Nice job, thank you. Bridgeplayer 03:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I see you moved the hockey player's article again--I've updated its linked pages to match. Poor guy is getting more attention here than he ever got when he was playing.  :-) --Finngall talk 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
LOL. Yes, sorry about that, but I had to go out before I could finish the relinking. Bridgeplayer 02:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

This Tuesday in Texas Afd nomination

I'm not sure why you nominated this article, the W:PW project has three main things to edit. Wrestler bios, championship pages (the belts and champions) and PPV articles. Any PPV produced by WWF/WWE is notable, I'm not sure how familiar you are with the project but I would suggest looking at the project talk page in future before nominating any more articles. For fututre reference any PPV nominated for deletion will always be a keep. Darrenhusted 11:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I nominated the article because it wasn't sourced - project or not WP:V still applies. Bridgeplayer 15:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Conduct issues

I've spoken to him about the issues, and made clear that anyone is allowed to edit any article that they wish, and on civility. Hopefully, that'll be the end of the issue, I'll keep an eye as well. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Bridgeplayer 02:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Rodrigo Rodriguez bio

Hello Bridgeplayer, I don't understand why you have proposed delation for the bio of artist Rodrigo Rodriguez. You said that it lacked the necessary secondary sources to establish notability, but it has some reliable sources (like All Music Guide, Discogs, etc) which were approved by editors. Also Rodrigo's music was recognized by international radios and record companies who licensed his music. If these things are not secondary sources, could you explain what type of informations are secondary sources? Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Koku (talk • contribs)

What I am looking for are reviews by notable publications favourably reviewing his work not simply saying his work exists. Bridgeplayer 17:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Bridgeplayer, thank you for messege, I am still dont undertand about notable publications, mostly of New Age artist and World Music, apear in that type of resources, very rare they will apear in Famouse Magazine like celebrities etc right?.

His music is released WORLDWIDE, on Air in very famouse radios online of the gener NEW AGE,World.Like Echoes Radio,Anne Williams Show of Nightscapes, Within the radio. etc He has performed in the most prestigius stages ,for exemple in Japan. like "Imperial Hotel" and the NHK broadcasting.

He has licensed tracks to American Record company,Gemini Sun Records in 2006. all this information you can find in his site. Studied with Masters in Japan like biography said.

I readed the policy of notability and said about ALLMUSIC and Discogs are two data base with Notability.

What type of publications for New Age artist, and World ?

Thank you in advcance.

Kirkbynative

I suspect that he is possibly--Vintagekits 20:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

looks like I was right.--Vintagekits 22:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bhoys from Seville

Thank you for your contribution on the above AfD. Your time and effort is much appriciated. regards--Vintagekits 01:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eli El-Chantiry

Hello, I ask that you withdraw the nomination of this article for deletion. It has long been accepted practice for city councillors for major cities to have articles, especially in Canada where such offices have a fair bit of prominence. A quick look at Category:Canadian city councillors will show you that for cities across Canada most councillors have articles. Wikipedia:Notability (people) is out of sync with standard practice in this regard, and I have thus amended it. - SimonP 20:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. The standard in WP:BIO is clear. If you wish city councillors to be notable then please consult on a widening of the guidelines. Bridgeplayer 21:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

DRV

Citing Shalom in the AfD closure: "the nominator's rationale (no assertion of notability) no longer holds true..." If the concern was fixed before the 5 days, there isn't a reason that the AfD needed to be held the full length of time. Of course, you are welcome to relist the article, citing a different concern. Sr13 21:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Scarborough Athletic F.C.

Well, we need to talk some sense into this guy. But he just won't listen to reason. Is it you he's referring to when he says the "american"? Goodness me, as well as being unreasonable, he's clearly a xenophobe. Mattythewhite 19:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

As we are, in the current sisuation with this article, we're all in a mess. I would like you and SalvoCalcio to go to the talk page, and each write why this info should be on the article, and to reach a compromose on what to do. Mattythewhite 19:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Eddie Davis (boxer)

Hi, why is SmackBot converting the sources tag to the unreferenced tag? The unreferenced is used where there are no sources whereas sources is used where there are some sources but a need for more. Bridgeplayer 21:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, the reason is that {{sources}} used to redirect to {{unreferened}}, whereas it now redirectes to {{refimprove}}. These conversions should no longer happen, thanks for letting me know. Rich Farmbrough, 07:39 22 July 2007 (GMT).

Huddersfield

Hi I'm a little confused as to why you created the Category 'Geography of Huddersfield' and then moved the articles in the Category 'Huddersfield' into it. I thought the 'Geography of' category was only used for countries not individual towns? Could you enlighten me please? NB: please reply here for continuity I will wtch your page for the reply. Richard Harvey 18:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Subcategories are used to keep like pages together to make it easier to find them. The problem with leaving localities in the main Huddersfield category is that they are scattered about making it hard to gain an overview. Several towns and cities have different means of grouping, for example Category:Geography of Oxford, Category:Geography of Doncaster, Category:Areas of Birmingham, England, Category:Districts of Manchester. If you think that the category should have a different name then please go ahead and rename it. Bridgeplayer 23:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. Your answer and reasoning seem quite logical. Perhaps you should now take a look at Category:Oldham, which certainly needs sorting out, as it contains geographic localities that although in the Metropoliton Borough of Oldham are not part of the town of Oldham itself. Richard Harvey 07:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes I will; there has been a major problem where the Met Borough has taken the name of the main town. The best way is to extend the town cat to include the Met Borough - see Category:St Helens, Merseyside. Bridgeplayer 22:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

University of Huddersfield changes

Hi, I note you've been making some arbitary changes to several Huddersfield articles and categories. Please can you put these up for discussion, requesting a formal decision through WP:AFD & WP:CFD where necessary, not arbitarily rearrange things - the People associated with... category is the standard structure for UK universities and just emptying individual ones and putting them up for speedy deletion on the basis of said emptiness is not the best way to do things. Timrollpickering 19:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I have put Huddersfield Hawks up for an AfD. I was not aware that the People associated with... was a standard category and I am grateful for your guidance. Bridgeplayer 23:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Lettuce vandalism

Hi, I guess my computer showed up as 75.4.236.17 and I can't argue with the web recognizing me as somehow having made those changes because I'm just not smart enough to argue against it, but (this is my user account; I think maybe two or three times in the last 12 months I have made changes without having logged in) I did not make those changes. I do not engage in vandalism. I use Wikipeida very constructively. That said, I'm sorry for the vandalism that was done. Wikitoddia 21:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Crimson Editor

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Sorry I forgot to copy your version over when I relisted the AFD for Crimson Editor. Kudos to you for being on top of your watchlist.--Chaser - T 03:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

NP! Bridgeplayer 03:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Opus student newspaper

Hiya. I'm hoping this discussion will help settle this issue. Best, CitiCat ♫ 17:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Gombe State

Where they've been created, the lists of governors and military administrators for 36 Nigeria's states have been kept separate from the article on the state. Do you intend to merge all of them into the state articles, as you did with List of Governors of Gombe State and Gombe State? Picaroon (t) 00:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

This was unlinked from the main article and as now formulated all relevant information on the State is kept up together and can be found. Why splinter the information across two very short articles? I dealt with this merge on its merit - the structure of articles on other States is not relevant. Bridgeplayer 00:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blitz (magazine)

Here's a student media deletion we can all agree on: Blitz (magazine), a weekly what's on brochure. It should be deleted/merged, but discussion seems to be skewed by the presence of one or more people who work for the organisation that publishes it. alexis+kate=? 13:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Mark Warner (Canadian politician)

An article that you have commented on in a speedy deletion process, Mark Warner (Canadian politician), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Warner (Canadian politician). Thank you. 64.231.240.167 13:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Elstead

I'm not quite sure why you put the tag on Elstead as part of the current foot and mouth outbreak. It is outside both the Aug 2007 containment zone and the present one. There is no mention in the article about the foot & mouth situation. SuzanneKn 19:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sidney Coleman's picture

Dear Bridgeplayer, activity is not always a good thing. The image of Sidney Coleman (who died on Sunday) is my work, I've released it to public domain, and all websites in the world that have used it respect the public domain status of the image. Please don't erase other images of mine again because of this wrong reason. I think that all images I uploaded are my work - includes dozens of physicists. Thanks for your understanding, Lubos Motl --Lumidek (talk) 16:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Crimson Editor

I see that another editor has placed a prod tag on this subpage that I restored for you in user space some time ago. It looks like you have in fact revised it in the main space, in which case you no longer need it, and should place a {{db-userreq}} tag on it. If you do still need it, put a justification on it's talk page and remove the tag. DGG (talk) 20:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; I have tagged it as you suggested. Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

SocialPicks

I just wanted to update you about this article. I removed two of the sources that just mention SocialPicks on a line or so. Dimension31 (talk) 11:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD/E. M. Washington

The article on E.M. Washington has been nominated for deletion. —SlamDiego←T 20:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:SnagIt.jpg)

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Bitter Lemon edit

My bust. Eyes aren't what they used to be. Suggestion accepted. Wikiuser100 (talk) 02:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Fiat Automobiles

Thanks to your hard work, Fiat Automobiles is starting to look a bit better, and the latest version helps reduce the impact of having the backronym appear jarringly after the list of awards (the statistics were a master stroke). Let's hope that the others take it to heart and follow up constructively. Thanks again. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 23:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goizueta Business School

Hi, I've added piped links to the AfD. It's a redirect, but at least the history can be accessed now. Thanks for pointing that out. Jafeluv (talk) 16:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Bose wave systems

An article that you have been involved in editing, Bose wave systems, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bose wave systems (2nd nomination). Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Bose Products Merge

Thanks for your input into the AfD for Bose stereo speakers et. al. As you may have seen, the result was No Consensus. I have started a discussion to find consensus on merging all of these articles together. Feel free to contribute your opinions here. Thanks! SnottyWong talk 19:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak's GAR

Hello, I would like to le you know that 2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak has a GAR. Here's the link. GamerPro64 (talk) 01:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, to help you improve the article to FA status, it is now mandatory for FA articles to have ALT text. Also, since I'm more of a pro at video game articles, I suggest that it should have a Peer Review. GamerPro64 (talk) 01:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Way to go! I didn't know about that; thanks. Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

rollback

Following your request on my talk page and after looking at your contributions I have given you rollback. Please keep in mind, it's mostly meant for reverting only the most straightforward kinds of vandalism or sometimes, your own edits, along with any edits to your own userspace, when no edit summary is needed. An easy way to think about rollback is, if you ever find yourself wondering in the least whether you should rollback some given edit, don't, but rather, undo it with an edit summary instead. Cheers and merry Christmas! Gwen Gale (talk) 22:11, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

MM VII in Port-au-Prince

It is reported by USGS, and the website was here. Qrfqr (talk) 02:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Haiti earthquakes

I don't see any problems with moving the page. Feel free to do so. Thanks. David Straub (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Cheese soup

Regarding the RfD of cheese soup: what about a creation of List of cheese soups and then retargeting it to the list article. With the help of my coworker friend B.Wind (he said I can use one of his sandboxes) I think I can (at least) start a barebones list which can be expanded in time. If it seems worthwhile, I can get going on the list later today. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 18:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mu sigma chi

Hi bridge, can you take a look at the following discussion, seems you might have reviewed twice. Sorry to bother Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for the heads up. Now fixed. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Tim James (composer)

There's already a disambiguation page at Tim James. No need for two disambiguation pages. Why not retarget Tim James (composer) to the Tim James disambiguation page? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good! Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

RfD

Thanks You are correct that de-linking/changing incoming links is a wise decision and I usually don't think to fix that before nominating for RfD. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Quintard Mall

You might want to take a look. I added several more sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Good work! Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Top kill

Your input would be greatly appreciated at Talk:Top_kill#Refimprove_tag. Thanks, Woody (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for a prompt response, regards, Woody (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
NP - a lesson to me not to edit when I'm tired! Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

RFD Closures

When closing a RFD as keep, please remember to remove the {{rfd}} template from the redirect. I have taken care of two you recently closed. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for this prompt. Bridgeplayer (talk) 13:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Woohoo, barnstar time!

The Redirect Barnstar
Lately RfD's been the Bridgeplayer show! So I pass on to you this wisdom handed down to me when I received my Redirect Barnstar: "Whilst it may be some of the quietest background work, it has a great effect on the end-users of the project!" Thanks for your hard work on this and all the rest of the project —  Glenfarclas  (talk) 06:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Bridgeplayer (talk) 13:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Spamdexing Contribution

Thank you for your assistance on the Spamdexing article within the Search engine optimization category. Your structural edits greatly improved the readability of the page. I've been working hard at improving the SEO section as it is very cluttered. I appreciate your efforts! Bsanders246 (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 21:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Gaza flotilla massacre

I think that it looks, erroneously, like 2 different people are voting. See Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Discussion: "Do not remove or modify other people's comments even if you believe them to be in bad faith....It is acceptable to correct the formatting in order to retain consistency with the bulleted indentation.". You should consider strikingthrough your 2 previous comments and adding a new comment instead of inserting 2 different bullets which may confuse readers. If you don't answer to my request in an adequate response that justifies your reverts, I will revert to my reformatted version. Cheers, Maashatra11 (talk) 20:12, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I have produced a formulation that should meet all needs. Bridgeplayer (talk) 20:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Skyrocket

I'm a little confused as to your request; what exactly do you want userfied? There doesn't seem to be a purpose in userfying the redirect especially if it'd just get deleted again anyway. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Dulla

It was linked from a Bangladesh-related page; otherwise my scan wouldn't have picked it up. No sign of the link any longer, but it appears to be the name of a place of some sort in Bangladesh. I'd add a line, but there appears to be no article as yet. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

A bit. I'll write up a small article and add it to the page in a bit; I'm working on something else first, but I should be able to get to it by tomorrow. Will that work, do you think? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
OK - I'll be on it soon as I can. Thanks for alerting me - I wish I knew where it had been linked from. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Anaesthetis

Compliments on your work on Anaesthetis Gil Gamesh (talk) 19:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Bridgeplayer (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 June 16#Featured Article

I thought about this for a while, and the reason I ended up deleting it was that capital A. Featured article does redirect to feature article, which is fine. Granted, if you want to recreate it and retarget it to Feature article as the other one does, that's fine. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 01:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I've added it to Category: Redirects from other capitalisations. Bridgeplayer (talk) 11:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

RFD Disambiguation Results

In a case like Setting (education), please either leave the RFD tag on after you convert it to a disambiguation page or close the debate. If converting it to a dab is not clear cut and you feel more discussion is needed, then the RFD tag should remain so that people who may access the former redirect know that it's being debated and can chime in if they want. As long as the debate is open, the tag should remain. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

That's helpful; thank you. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

user:Article editor

Hi,

I see you've previously nominated some of this user's (many) redirects at RfD. What's your opinion of this? A great many of the user's remaining contributions seem to be equally unproductive. Do you know if this has been discussed anywhere? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I have just nominated another batch of 16! There has not been any centralised discussion. The problem is that a number of the redirects are conceivable search terms and do not clearly meet the deletion criteria. What I, and others, have been doing, is nominating those that are clearly misleading. However, tackling matters piecemeal means that it will take a very long time, and much work, to make any real inroads. In truth, I think that it would be in the overall interest of the project if we gained a community consensus to delete them all. Though some useful ones would be caught up in the cull, this would be of net benefit. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Touché re Bouchee

Nice work on Bouchee - excellent solution.

Please see User_talk:Chzz#Crint_Eastwood_and_D77t_and_D78t - I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.  Chzz  ►  15:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for poking in. It's kinda an interesting discussion, although it is leaning towards lamest territory. Still, fun. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  19:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Bridgeplayer, please do not close RfDs early, as you did at this edit on the Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 July 17 page. According to Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Closing_notes: "Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests)." Thank you. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
It was a legitimate close since it was no longer a redirect. If not happy then please take the disambiguation page to WP:MFD or the close to WP:DRV. Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Nope. It was still a redirect at the time that I nominated it for RfD--which was 02:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)--until you converted the redirect to a dab page at 03:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC) as seen here (if you did such a thing, I wonder why you even bothered to comment on the RfD here at 03:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)). Unfortunately, I see no existing policy that says that you can go from redirect-to-dab just so that you can close a nomination early, but I do see a policy on Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Deletion_discussion saying: "If you disagree, Go to the relevant process page and explain why you disagree. Do not remove the tag from the page. For more information on this process, read the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion." P.S. This is just a warning in case you decide to close another RfD the next time; I'm not contesting your close this time. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Warning? Don't be silly. If you look back through WP:RFD you will see plenty of instances where redirects have been converted to disamb pages and closed. A redirect can be converted to an article or disamb page at any time by editorial action; at that point there is no redirect to discuss. I will continue to close discussions as I see appropriate. If you are unhappy with a close then the way forward is to contest them through the appeal channels I outlined above. Please don't place further inappropriate 'warnings' on my talk page. Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
That's not the point. Do not remove the tag from the page. I bolded this sentence so that you could see what I mean when you edited the redirect. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 02:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
If an RFD is closed then the tag is removed. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
But the RfD wasn't closed and the tag was removed before that happened (see here at 14:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC) compared to 3:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC) above); this is against policy. Looking back through the RfDs, it seems that the only ones that were actually closed early were closed by you, again violating policy :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 02:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
This is incorrect but I am not responding further. If you have future concerns please deal with them as I indicated on your talk page. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Rioni of the City of Rome

There is a discussion on whether articles on the rioni of the City of Rome should follow the naming convention for Italy, or should be treated differently. I have notified you as you were previously involved in the discussion on a Naming convention for Italian cities. Please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)/Archives/2010/July#Italy: rioni of Rome. Skinsmoke (talk) 09:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I Was Frozen Today

I removed it from the Suburban Commando article because it was unsourced OR and I couldn't find a reliable source. Tell me which of the sources in your Google search is reliable. Certainly not Know Your Meme or Urban Dictionary. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

As you will note from my comment, I have not taken a position on whether it should be in Suburban Commando. I commented on the procedure that you adopted; it would have been better to leave it in for the duration of the discussion and indicated your intention to remove in your nomination, to make it easier for commentators to form a view. A term does not have to be notable, or contained in reliable sources, to be a valid redirect. Redirects are not articles, they are simply navigation aids. Since we have an alternative target, it is a used search term, and it doesn't meet WP:RFD#DELETE, there is no reason to delete. Bridgeplayer (talk) 20:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Redirects are cheap, but I still don't think they serve much purpose if the content is very unlikely to be on the target page. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Eating Pussy

There seemed to be consensus for such a move; it was not unilateral, it was bold. I should note first that there is nothing wrong with an orphaned disambiguation page; by definition, they do not need incoming links. That said, I have no objection to a hatnote, although I don't think one is necessary. Powers T 20:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'll add the hatnote as a fair compromise. Bridgeplayer (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Capello Index

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

RFD

Hi, I've just noticed your comments on the redirect for deletion. Could you possibly point me in the right direction for db-move. I've taken a look at speedy deletion templates and don't see a "move" one. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Go to Template:Db-move and you will find the template with a description of the necessary parameters. HTH. Bridgeplayer (talk)
I work in a few areas on wiki, but not much in deletion, so thanks very much for the help. Dream.17 ...... is this now correct? Paralympiakos (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Bridgeplayer (talk) 20:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Due reward

The Original Barnstar
For your lightening quick custodianship of isobutyl cyanoacrylate – too many others are eager to destroy yet not to build…but for being different, you deserve this. DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 17:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Gosh; thanks (blush). Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

G&S, etc.

Glad we could reach a compromise. Would you kindly respond to Lorem at the 'Redirects for Discussion' page? I can't respond to him, because he will just think I am attacking him. In fact, all the information that he wanted (and more) is now in the article, except for the redundant statement that "There exists many societies called Gilbert and Sullivan Society", which we already clarified. Thanks for any assistance. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough

On second thought, I agree with your CSD at User:Ganerer/List of Cambodian singers and was just about to revert my reversion, because whatever happens to the article, the redirect has to go. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for the note. Bridgeplayer (talk) 19:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Kenny Rogers discography

Precedent is that we don't include unofficial releases such as those. The albums I removed were unofficial releases by either non-notable or budget line labels. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

If there is an official guideline then quote it and that's fine. If not then its down to the talk page which is where you should take your argument. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Removal of budget release

WP:IINFO dude; most of these are released on non-notable labels just trying to make a quick buck — they're simple unofficial releases. CycloneGU agrees that most of the releases I'm removing are not notable. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 15:34, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Sinbad Sweeney

Thanks for letting us know. Mtaylor848 (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

RFD

Wow, you're a tough cookie at RFD. Why don't I make eioryewiourhaeoiurhgaweiughaiwehaseiudfgraespfgp redirect to Thomas Edison and see you come up with a keep rationale for that? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 02:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

English

Thank you for letting me know - there are two places in Texas called "English," as I pointed out in the discussion. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Sarah Lewis

On 28 Sept you deleted the redirect "sarah lewis" (including quotes). I note there are also redirects from:- Sarah e. lewis and Sarah elizabeth lewis which do not seem to accord either
Can you simply delete these? or do they need nominating?
Arjayay (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The quotation marks meant that "sarah lewis" was an implausible typo; people simply don't search with quotation marks. However, the other two have a degree of plausibility as search terms despite the mistakes in case. They have both been recently created. Consequently, if you disagree that they have some plausibility then the way forward would be to tag them with {{db-redirtypo}}. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Tom Hanks

I removed the source because it came on the heels of the marriage dates, and that's what I thought you were sourcing. I removed it, not because the periodical is not reliable, but because it contained inaccurate information that didn't support the assertion in the article. I don't think that requires discussion on the Hanks Talk page. However, as a courtesy, in the future, I will alert you to the problem on your Talk page to give you a chance to fix it yourself. Finally and honestly (all this hoopla about so little), I don't think the American actress assertion really needs a source, although as you probably know from the discussion on the redirect discussion page, I don't believe she was notable as an actress, even if technically she was paid at least twice as an actress. Why is everyone so interested in Lewes anyway?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Black Eyed Kids

Hey there! Could you please let me know why this needs a history merge? I don't know anything about them, so I was hoping you could help me out. Thanks in advance! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, it keeps a record of the development of the article. Secondly, for our GFDL obligations, we need to have attribution to other contributors to earlier versions. See WP:COPYWITHIN. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Lester Coleman

I added the alias WhisperToMe (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Good job; I have changed my !vote. Bridgeplayer (talk) 16:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Your assistance please

I completely agreed with your point that the nominator's assertion that there had never really been any al Qaeda safe houses in Lahore was not relevant. In the discussion I asked for feedback over whether the redirect could be replaced with the stub at User:Geo Swan/not ready yet/Lahore safe house. I hope you don't mind me drawing your attention to the stub here? I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 21:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

A redirect can be replaced by a stub at any time. If that is done then the RFD would be closed as moot. Certainly your userspace draft looks a valid stub though it would be open to editors to take it to AFD if they so wished. Having said that, Al-Qaeda safe house is very short so 'Lahore safe house' is probably better as a section there. If you make that section, and provided your addition is not rapidly reverted, then I would change my !vote to support the redirect. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Quirky Disambiguation Page

Can you explain your removal of just the mention of the company Quirky.com on the "Quirky" disambiguation page? Unless I am mistaken, disambiguation pages are designed to describe a number of relevant, different "definitions" per se of a common name/phrase/acronym, whether they have a separate Wikipedia page or not. Quirky.com is the #1 result for typing "Quirky" into Google, so, it certainly isn't an "unknown" company. And I am not proposing that they get an actual separate Wikipedia entry, just that it would make sense to be mentioned on the disambiguation page, just as I can pull up dozens of Acronym disambiguation pages on Wikipedia that have little known companies who are mentioned as possible "definitions" of that Acronym. Dletter (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages differentiate between topics that have Wikipedia pages or entries - see WP:Disambiguation. In the case of Quirky.com there is no Wikipedia page that refers to this company. We do not enter "a number of relevant, different "definitions" per se of a common name/phrase/acronym" nor list companies because they happen to exist - WP:NOTADIRECTORY. If Quirky.com is notable then create a page; if it is not notable and is not mentioned in other pages then it should not be in a disambiguation page Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not disagreeing with you, but, if that is the "rule", it is horribly enforced: MIE, ANG, GNO, GLA... i could go on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dletter (talk • contribs) 14:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for drawing these to my attention. I have now sorted them out. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

RFD - Tony Coburn/coburn

I apologise for taking so long to say this, but thank you for cleaning up my RFD. It's my first one and I obviously stuffed up the tags, etc. Reynardo (talk) 13:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

2026 Winter Olympics

I feel like I should point out that there is no sustainable underlying article - it has not been anything except a redirect for longer than a day since January '09, and the longest stretch it's ever been an article was 10 days. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

We need to break the article/redirect revert cycle. Addressing the question of whether there should be an article through Prod/AFD, which of course there shouldn't be, is the best way of resolving matters. Bridgeplayer (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Vin Wright RFD

Hi Bridgeplayer, I left you a question at the Vin Wright RfD discussion. Just in case you don't watchlist every comment you make in RFD (I know I don't )... Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 15:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Indian Summer

Under "USAGE" paragraph ′ You have removed references to specific regions in this article. While this may be good for some the subject matter is subject to much geographic folklore and geographic dependant climate, apparently. The following (second?) paragraph specifies another type of "Indian Summer" definition and specifies particular regions to apply it to. This makes your editted paragraph contradictory and not inline with other paragraphs using specific regions for each definition. There are some definition contradictions in this article that need, overall editting for consistency. Reference to snow is an example "before the first snow" and then later "or snow" (being a requirement). This article needs cites as this subject matter is based on folklore and very undefined for all.--174.118.149.54 (talk) 01:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for these comments. I have replied at Talk:Indian summer#Usage. Bridgeplayer (talk) 03:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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