User talk:Brenda Godinez F

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Brenda Godinez F. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. bonadea contributions talk 10:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Anthony Gustin for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Anthony Gustin is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Gustin until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. bonadea contributions talk 10:35, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia

Hi Brenda. I work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia, along with my regular editing, which is mostly about health and medicine. The article you created about Anthony Gustin is promotional, which is why you received the notice about COI above and why the page has been nominated for deletion. I hope you did read the COI notice. You haven't responded, however.

Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. Unmanaged conflicts of interest can also lead to people behaving in ways that violate our behavioral policies and cause disruption in the normal editing process. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. Here in Wikipedia such disclosures must be made explicitly. Would you please disclose any connection you have with Anthony Gustin and wwith any business he runs? If you have created this article as part of your job, you also must disclose that. After you respond (and you can just reply below), I can walk you through how the "peer review" part happens and then, if you like, I can provide you with some more general orientation as to how this place works. Please reply here, just below, to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 12:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog. Thanks a lot, I would like your help. I apologize for not disclosing my position sooner. I'm employed by Anthony Gustin as a freelance health writer for the website of one of his companies, Perfect Keto. This task was assigned to me as part of my job. However, I did go through Wikipedia's content guidelines before submitting the page and strived to create an article that was neutral, verifiable, and with no original research. I believe the subject is notable given his entrepreneurship achievements. I would really appreciate you or anyone else pointing out what should be improved on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenda Godinez F (talk • contribs) 15:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting (see WP:THREAD) - when you reply to someone, you put a colon in front of your comment, which the Wikipedia software will render into an indent when you save your edit; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons in front of your comment, which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages when you save your edit. That is how we know who said what to whom and when.

Please be aware that threading and signing are fundamental etiquette here, as basic as "please" and "thank you", and continually failing to thread and sign communicates rudeness, and eventually people may start to ignore you (see here).

I know this is insanely archaic and unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on. Sorry about that. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 16:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, and for disclosing your relationship with Gustin. So you have a COI with respect to him and related topics, as we define COI in Wikipedia.

To finish the disclosure piece, would you please add the disclosure to your user page (which is User:Brenda Godinez F - a redlink, because you haven't written anything there yet)? Just something simple, exactly like what you wrote above: "I'm employed by Anthony Gustin as a freelance health writer for the website of one of his companies, Perfect Keto" would be fine. If you want to add anything else there that is relevant to what you want to do in WP feel free to add it, but please don't add anything promotional about the Gustin, the website, or yourself (see WP:USERPAGE for guidance if you like).

I added a tag disclosing your conflict of interest at Talk:Anthony Gustin, so the disclosure is done there. Once you disclose on your user page, the disclosure piece of this will be done.

As I noted above, there are two pieces to COI management in WP. The first is disclosure. The second is a form of peer review. This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and voilà there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world. So the bias that conflicted editors tend to have, can go right into the article. Conflicted editors are also really driven to try to make the article fit with their external interest. If they edit directly, this often leads to big battles with other editors.

What we ask editors to do who have a COI or who are paid, and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is:

a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft through the WP:AFC process, disclose your COI on the Talk page with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, and then submit the draft article for review (the AfC process sets up a nice big button for you to click when it is ready) so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and

b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to

(i) disclose at the Talk page of the article with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, putting it at the bottom of the beige box at the top of the page; and

(ii) propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. Just open a new section, put the proposed content there, and just below the header (at the top of the editing window) please the {{request edit}} tag to flag it for other editors to review. In general it should be relatively short so that it is not too much review at once. Sometimes editors propose complete rewrites, providing a link to their sandbox for example. This is OK to do but please be aware that it is lot more for volunteers to process and will probably take longer.

By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (There are good faith paid editors here, who have signed and follow the Wikipedia:Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms, and there are "black hat" paid editors here who lie about what they do and really harm Wikipedia).

But understanding the mission, and the policies and guidelines through which we realize the mission, is very important! There are a whole slew of policies and guidelines that govern content and behavior here in Wikipedia. Please see User:Jytdog/How for an overview of what Wikipedia is and is not (we are not a directory or a place to promote anything), and for an overview of the content and behavior policies and guidelines. Learning and following these is very important, and takes time. Please be aware that you have created a Wikipedia account, and this makes you a Wikipedian - you are obligated to pursue Wikipedia's mission first and foremost when you work here, and you are obligated to edit according to the policies and guidelines. Editing Wikipedia is a privilege that is freely offered to all, but the community restricts or completely takes that privilege away from people who will not edit and behave as Wikipedians.

I hope that makes sense to you.

I want to add here that per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content. If you are not sure if something is uncontroversial, please ask at the Talk page.

Will you please agree to learn and follow the content and behavioral policies and guidelines, and to follow the peer review processes going forward when you want to work on the Gustin article or any article where your COI is relevant? Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 16:23, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the comprehensive response! I just disclosed my affiliation on my user page User:Brenda Godinez F. I'm just a little unclear with how to proceed with the current page. Do I submit a new draft with the contents of this page so others can review it first? Thanks! Brenda Godinez F (talk) 18:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks for posting on your userpage. Let me see if people at the deletion discussion would consent to moving the page to draft space. I will post there and ask. If they say yes then the discussion will be closed and we can move the page and its history. I do encourage you to read User:Jytdog/How - especially the part with specific advice about writing a new article.Jytdog (talk) 18:08, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, the page is now at Draft:Anthony Gustin. Please do rewrite it, using independent sources. Good luck! Jytdog (talk) 19:01, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks a lot for the help Jytdog! I also appreciate the edits you made. Brenda Godinez F (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome! Thanks for keeping this simple. (you would be amazed at how complicated some people try to make these things.. :( ) Jytdog (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

You made it easy with your guidance :) I'm new to this and I'm simply looking to create an informative page that adheres to all the WP guidelines. Brenda Godinez F (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)