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genetic studies on jews - khazar

I wasn't sure if I should reply on your page. If this is bad Wiki etiquette, just delete the next couple of lines.

Dear Lastexpofan, I have seen that you changed some sentence in "genetic studies on jews". I would like to have your opinion about an argument I have with Jayjg about the possibility of some Khazar origin of Ashkenazim Talk:Genetic studies on Jews. We go round in circle and I think we need an external point of view. Could you tell if this kind of sentence could be added in the lead: "chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars"?--Boutboul (talk) 07:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

By the way why did you remove the extract from D. Goldstein ?--Boutboul (talk) 07:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean "And there is that troubling Y chromosome that is so common in the ashkenazi Levites but seemingly nowhere else to be found. I can not claim the evidence proves a Khazari connection.

But it does raise the possibility, I confess that, although I can not prove it yet, the idea does now seem to me plausible, if not likely?" I removed that because it was in a note and seemed unsourced, but if it's from a source I'm fine with it.

I don't know if I could get involved in that discussion between you and JayJG because I'm really busy right now, but maybe I could get involved later.--Lastexpofan (talk) 03:21, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

the italian/ tuscan/ southern european component

Michael, thanks for the message. I am a little uncomfortable with the deletion, but I think I can accept it. On the other hand if you also feel uncomfortable with it, I think in principle we should look for a compromise sentence? Can you tell me your position? Is it the same? I am not 100% clear on what you think.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Conversion table for Y chromosome haplogroups for deletion

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	Bonjour cher monsieur, je suis un ex directeur de recherche à l'INRAE qui écrit un ouvrage et aimerait discuter avec vous de la génétique des populations juives, sachant que vous êtes le principal contributeur de l'artice Wikipédia concernant ce sujet. Merci de votre attention ! jacques.barnouin(at)free.fr Jacques barnouin (talk) 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Bonjour,

Désolé pour ma réponse tardive, je viens de voir votre message. Je serai ravis de discuter avec vous mais je tiens à signaler que je n'ai aucune compétence dans le domaine mis à part le fait d'avoir pris le temps de lire les très nombreux articles sur le sujet.

Cordialement,

Michael Boutboul Michael Boutboul (talk) 13:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed right removed

I have removed your extended-confirmed right for gaming EC through adding a machine translation of Fondation Maeght and Rueil-Malmaison in many small edits without attribution. As you are no longer extended-confirmed WP:ECR once again applies to your edits. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, leaving out the footnotes? Why wouldn't you copy over the sources too? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Leaving out the footnotes was a mistake—sorry about that. I'll fix it. But again, why is using a translator forbidden? It helps. Michael Boutboul (talk) 22:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not forbidden, but using a machine translation to make dozens of edits to inflate your edit count is clear gaming. You also violated the license by not providing attribution. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

How to regain it? Michael Boutboul (talk) 23:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Make at least a few hundred edits entirely outside of the ARBPIA topic that aren't clearly gaming your edit count and make a request at WP:PERM. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

A good place to start would be adding sources to what you machine translated, and giving proper attribution. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I tried to check where translating paragraph by paragraph is considered 'gaming the rule,' but I could not find it on Wikipedia. Could you provide the link? By the way, I added attribution and footnotes. Michael Boutboul (talk) 09:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

By the way, you haven't answered: where is it written that translating a Wikipedia article paragraph by paragraph is "gaming the rules"? Michael Boutboul (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Our WP:PAGs don't list every way they can be violated. You were clearly making dozens of small edits to gain the permission. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Holy moly ScottishFinnishRadish, that's a lot of edits. Boutboul, that's a hell of a lot of edits. Drmies (talk) 22:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, and some of them were probably their actual words too, not machine translations or LLM generated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for my candid question, but what is the issue here? The page has been improved with reliable and well-sourced information.

Once again, I find myself puzzled about what constitutes a valuable edit versus an unvaluable one.

May I suggest clarifying the 500-edits rule, at least its underlying purpose? Perhaps some general guidelines could be established to provide more clarity Michael Boutboul (talk) 08:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I am not sure to understand your comment. The edits on Water meteringWater metering and Gas meter are my field of expertise that’s why I could have written so fast. You can check my LinkedIn account, my username is my real name. Michael Boutboul (talk) 11:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I understand everything can't be written but at least could you provide general rules regarding those 500 edits? Michael Boutboul (talk) 17:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

If you continue to violate WP:ECR as you did here you will be blocked from editing ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I thought talk page was not concerned. So how could I inform others that other sources exist and shall be taken into account for the RfC? Michael Boutboul (talk) 15:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

ECR applies to all edits, anywhere on the English Wikipedia, including article and user talk pages. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

So how can I inform other editors of existing sources that are not mentioned in the RfC? Michael Boutboul (talk) 16:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

You can't, until you are extended-confirmed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

So can you do it for me? Michael Boutboul (talk) 16:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

We're not going to make edits for you, no. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish, I checked carefully and userspace are excluded from the restriction "edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace ("related content")" in Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict#Definition of the "area of conflict". Michael Boutboul (talk) 15:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:ECR does not use the "area of conflict" language. It says The restriction applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed, and then lists the very specific exemptions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikilawyering here while requesting reinstatement of permissions is not a good look @Boutboul Star Mississippi 17:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Tunisia for Good Article Nomination

Bonjour! I have reviewed many of your edits to the History of the Jews in Tunisia article and I think it's been phenomenally improved. It is currently classified as Start-class, but I think it is at least a B, if not an A. I would be happy to help you revise it further (more on editing what is already there than adding new material) and nominating it for Good article status. What do you think of this? I would definitely like to add more references that are direct rather than an sfn because I find those easier to review as a reader. All the best and happy holidays, Kazamzam (talk) 17:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind message. There is still a lot of work to do, and I will continue improving the article in the coming days. I truly appreciate your comments and revisions. I would be very happy if my contribution helped in nominating it for Good Article status. Michael Boutboul (talk) 21:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Boutboul - of course! I will do my best as well, and if you have any thoughts, comments, or concerns, I am happy to discuss. Please be sure to ping me (using the @ symbol) so that I will be alerted to your reply when it's on your talkpage (good Wikietiquette!). Kazamzam (talk) 23:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Boutboul - something important to note: the Jewish Virtual Library is not considered a reliable source per the list used as a general guideline. It's okay to mention some of their claims as long as they are backed up by other references but please keep this in mind going forward. We're making progress nevertheless! Kazamzam (talk) 00:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Kazamzam, I didn't know it, I checked and it is more related to ARBPIA but anyway, there is noJewish Virtual Library Michael Boutboul (talk) 15:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Translating from other Wikipedias without attribution

You must provide attribution whenever you translate content from another language Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Repairing insufficient attribution. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Please also review WP:MACHINE. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)