User talk:Boston Casting, Inc.

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Boston Casting, Inc.[edit]

A tag has been placed on your user page, User:Boston Casting, Inc., requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be advertising which only promotes or publicises someone or something. Promotional editing of any kind is not permitted, whether it be promotion of a person, company, product, group, service, belief, or anything else. This is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages — user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources or advertising space. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations.

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April 2022[edit]

Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because of the following problems: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

You may request a change of username and unblock if you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization. To do this, first search Special:CentralAuth for available usernames that comply with the username policy. Once you have found an acceptable username, post the text {{unblock-spamun|Your proposed new username|Your reason here}} at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked. In your reasons, you must:

Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure requirement.
Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked.
Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

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This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Boston Casting, Inc. (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

Lisa Lobel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I understand why I was blocked for promoting the company. I will not repeat the actions that caused this blocking by changing my username and contributing to Wikipedia as an editor and an information-provider only. Boston Casting, Inc. (talk) 18:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I am declining your request to give you time to digest my reply below. You may make another request for someone else to review. 331dot (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What topics will you edit about? Please understand Wikipedia is not for merely providing information; it is for summarizing what independent reliable sources say about a topic. Please also read WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 19:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your quick response! I will edit topics related to the entertainment industry and film & tv. In terms of PAID & COI, as per request I am disclosing that I do work for Boston Casting—they are my employer and I am an assistant in the office helping set up a Wikipedia page for the company, as the company is growing larger and we want to provide reliable information about Boston Casting's history and purpose without promotion involved, similar to Central Casting. If there is a better way to do this, please let me know and I would be happy to pursue that option as well! Boston Casting, Inc. (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to be frank with you, and I apologize in advance, but I believe honest, direct communication is best for all. You seem to be operating under some (very common, actually) misunderstandings about Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not have "company pages" that exist for a company's use. Wikipedia has articles about companies, typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic. Those independent editors write about topics that they take note of in independent reliable sources that receive significant coverage(not press releases, announcements, interviews, or brief mentions).

Articles exist to summarize those sources and show how a company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company(please read). They will not say what (in this case) a company might prefer that it say, and the company/its representatives has no more rights to it than any other editor. They don't exist to allow the company to tell the world about what it does and what it considers to be its own history- Wikipedia wants to know what others unconnected with the company say is the company's history. The article Ford Motor Company does not tell what Ford says is its history, but what independent reliable sources say is its history. If the history of your company is not written about by independent sources on their own, it can't be on Wikipedia. It can be on your company social media accounts and its own website- the proper place for your company to speak about itself. You say you want to tell about your company history and purpose without promotion- that is not possible, because it is promotional, at least on Wikipedia. You do not have to be soliciting or selling something.

The best thing for you to do, in my personal opinion at least, is to abandon efforts to try to force the creation of a Wikipedia article. The best indicator that a company meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable company is when independent editors see that and write about it on their own. Companies that try to force the issue themselves are not usually successful.

Lastly, a Wikipedia article is not necessarily a good thing for your company. There are good reasons to not want one. Disgruntled customers/clients/competitors could vandalize your article with false information- it would eventually be removed, but not necessarily instantly(just one example of a negative aspect of a Wikipedia article). Any information about your company, good or bad, can be in an article about it as long as it appears in an independent reliable source and is not defamatory.

I apologize for the information overload, but these are all important points. It's going to be hard for you to edit about the entertainment industry and comply with WP:COI. If you wish to do so nevertheless, please tell how you will go about doing that. If there are topics unrelated to entertainment you want to edit about as a general contributor, please tell what those are. 331dot (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I so appreciate your honest and thorough response. I'll let you know that we first started to explore the Wikipedia article route because we are working to get our social media accounts verified and we have all of the qualifications except a Wikipedia article. We are a small business so we aren't sure when someone will write one about us, but our traffic and popularity calls for a verified account on socials. However, I totally understand now the purpose of how Wikipedia operates, and we'll keep our fingers crossed that someone will write something about us in the future. Based on the article that you have sent about notable companies, we do fall under the criteria of a notable company—so if there is a way to "apply" for an article to be written about the company, please let me know! Thank you. :) Boston Casting, Inc. (talk) 20:32, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a place called Requested Articles to make suggestions for articles to be created- but the backlog there is beyond severe, and any request you make may not be acted on for a long time, if ever. 331dot (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! I noticed there is also a method called Articles for Creation specifically for people with COI, could I pursue that route as well? Boston Casting, Inc. (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is a route, but not a guarantee. I and some others who review these requests usually like to see people in your position edit in areas unrelated to their COI for a time, to demonstrate understanding of Wikipedia content and other guidelines before a user puts their time and effort, and makes volunteer editors spend their time reviewing, into creating a draft. Other admins would be willing to give you a shot if you can otherwise convince us you understand guidelines and other things you have been told. That might work if you provide the three best independent reliable sources with significant coverage of your company. Such sources cannot be staff interviews, the company website, press releases, announcements of routine business activities, or other primary sources. You may do that in another unblock request that someone else will review.

And, again to be frank, Wikipedia has no interest in the verification processes social media imposes on your company. Wikipedia has no control over what social media requires to verify accounts. 331dot (talk) 23:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]