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Welcome to Wikipedia, Bobby Raps! Thank you for your contributions. I am Oshwah and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another Welcome!

Hi Bobby Raps, and welcome to Wikipedia! I've written some advice on editing here for students in Prof. Jackson's similar classes at Longy School of Music which you might find helpful. You'll find it here. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page (User talk:Voceditenore), or place {{helpme}} here on your talk page, ask your question, and another editor will come along to help. When you leave a message here or on any other talk page, be sure to sign it by typing ~~~~ (4 tildes with no spaces between them) at the end. When you click save, the Wikipedia software will automatically convert that show your user name and your talk page (with links to them) as well as the date and time when you signed. WP:SIGN has more about all the ins and outs of that.

You might also be interested in WikiProject Classical music and WikiProject Composers. They have various guidelines for articles in this area and talk pages where you can ask advice from editors experienced in writing articles on classical music and related subjects. You'll find these guides particularly useful: WikiProject Composers: Guide to online research and WikiProject Composers: Copyright guidelines. Happy editing and best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 11:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Voceditenore! I hope you're doing ok in this troublesome era we're in. Isaiah has let us all know that you are something of a Wikipedia savior, so here I make my plea. My article has been rejected twice now for the same offense, which is not having enough secondary sources. The first time was understandable, but I think I had brought enough to the table the second time to make a case in my favor. My article is about a musician named Sevish, and I have now added three reviews and an academic journal which references him several times. They may not be the strongest sources since Sevish is relatively small, but I think my article at least sits in a grey area where your intervention might tip the scales. If you could look over my article and see if it really deserves to be rejected, I would be very grateful. Bobby Raps (talk) 05:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Me again. I also wanted to let you know about Wikipedia's Teahouse. It's a place providing great support for new editors. You can ask questions (no question is too basic) and get helpful answers and advice from experienced editors. Voceditenore (talk) 11:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (April 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Dan arndt were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Fails WP:NMUSICIAN, requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Interviews with the individual and the individual's website are primary sources and therefore not independent or reliable references.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to User:Bobby Raps/sandbox and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to User:Bobby Raps/sandbox, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Dan arndt (talk) 05:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bobby Raps! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Dan arndt (talk) 05:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sevish (April 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Dan arndt were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Fails WP:NMUSICIAN, requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Interviews with the individual and the individual's website are all primary sources and therefore not independent reliable references.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Sevish and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Sevish, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Dan arndt (talk) 06:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sevish (April 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Sevish and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Sevish, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Sulfurboy (talk) 17:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Advice re Draft:Sevish

Hi Bobby Raps. This is a tough one. He sounds like a really interesting musician, but there really isn't enough of the right kind of coverage yet to qualify for an article. I had a look myself to see if I could find anything better, but had no luck. The coverage is all on blogs or interviews with him. I couldn't access the complete article "Microtonal Tunings in Electronic Dance Music". How much of that article is devoted to Sevish? Voceditenore (talk) 17:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Voceditenore: The article is not all about Sevish, but it does discuss him and his work six times throughout. I could email the pdf to you if you'd like. Bobby Raps (talk) 21:24, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bobby Raps. I've added a quote from Aaron Krister Johnson about Sevish, which goes some way to establishing notability, and another by Andrew Hugill. Send me an email, and when I reply, you'll have an address to send the PDF to and I'll have a look at it. It may be that there's enough there to allow it to scrape a pass at an AfD since this is a rather niche topic. I, and some other experienced Articles for Creation reviewers, generally use the criteria that if a draft has a better than 50% chance of being kept at an AfD, it should be moved to article space. In the meantime, remove all citations to Sevish's website except for the one which verifies his year of birth. Any other assertions about him should be referenced at a minimum to an interview or better, a review or article by a third party. You also need an inline citation for the source of this assertion: "Archibald’s own music is composed in such a way that it is appealing to Western listeners who are not familiar with microtonal tunings". I'll keep an eye of the draft to see how it's progressing but in the meantime. do not resubmit it formally. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:04, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bobby Raps. Me again. As you can see, I've now moved your draft to article space at Sevish. Having read the full article by Adam Hart, I think the scales are now tipped to notability, but be prepared for another editor who might stumble on it to disagree. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Voceditenore. Your help has been invaluable. Bobby Raps (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]