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Editing your biography

Hello Bobbeers,

I am going to assume (though I have no proof) that you really are Bob Beers. I advise you to read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY carefully. Directly editing your own biography, except in the case of reverting overt vandalism, is strongly discouraged and is almost certain to lead you into conflicts with editors who monitor political biographies. We have many editors who can be quite aggressive in opposing any such edits that have even a whiff of promotionalism. I share those concerns but tend to be less aggressive and first try to help new editors understand how Wikipedia operates behind the scenes. We are a subculture with social mores, and opposition to advertising, spamming and self promotion runs very deep here. The neutral point of view is one of our most cherished values, and defending it is an ongoing struggle. Please tread lightly until you understand our expectations better. You can ask me any question any time. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:12, 16 August 2014 (UTC) Thanks Cullen. I plan to continue to respond and refute subtle vandalism, as I do not expect (and cannot point to any) overt vandalism. That will include folks who cannot do the math and calculate the percentage of my professional life that has included elected service. I support Wikipedia's commitment to neutral point of view but am at a loss regarding Wikipedia's failure to implement. And I do understand - I've been a registered editor here for nearly a decade.Bob Beers 05:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:VANDALISM carefully, and please be aware that "subtle vandalism" is not a concept that is accepted here on Wikipedia. In our parlance, vandalism has a very specific meaning. It is not a content dispute or a dispute about politics. It is a deliberate and overt attempt to damage the encyopedia, and will be universally recognized as such by all experienced, good faith editors. If someone says that you were born in 1877, or that you have 42 children or that your middle name is "VgSr23x22", that is vandalism. Feel free to revert such changes. In borderline cases, ask for the opinion of other editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Percentage of your life

If Nevada political reporters write that you have spent one third of your professional life in political office, then we can discuss adding it. But your desire to do the math and mention that is original research and unacceptable for you to add to this article. You do not have the right to control this article. No biography subject does. This is an encyclopedia, not LinkedIn or Facebook. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC) Calculating a percentage is "original research"? I'm trying to control this article, Cullen. Any reader can do the math themselves. I'm 55 in two months, less 20 years for schooling (I became the News Director for KCBN/KRNO Reno at the age of 21). I've held elective office in Nevada for 12 years. So 12 into 34 is about a third. I considered it a statement of fact, not original research. Like halftime is in the middle of the football game, or there are 12 eggs in a dozen. Regardless, as a senior admin on the Wikipedia Government beat (which, by the way, is a wonderful thing, and something sorely absent during Wikipedia's early years), I am happy to defer to your judgement - but I am not trying to control this article, never have. I have had to police it for political opponents' edits that do not rise to vandalism but do rise to bias, since it was created a few years after Wikipedia was.Bob Beers 15:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]