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Sockpuppets seemingly randomly associated with sockmasters

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Odd that Kentucky Rain24, Izzy Borden, Red Slapper, and any other known socks are not listed under their sockmaster -- NoCal100. Of course the pseudos of each sockmaster should be listed underneath that sockmaster with the data associated with each one for tranparency... As it is the data is pretty random: e.g. which 16 in the list are socks of Dolyn? Which 85 are the socks of AndrsHerutJaiù? Why isn't O.maximov counted in the Icewhiz socks?

As usual, one wonders why the data on sockpuppets is so randomly presented according to different rules... One also wonders why there isn't a calculated row named "all known sockpuppets" for comparison... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 10:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have now disappeared Kentucky Rain24, Izzy Borden and Red Slapper entirely from your list. Please add a first line to your chart "all known sockmasters", which by manual calculation have made 15,802 edits to PIA (i.e. more than any other editor).
nb: this does not include the 442 changes to PIA made by either O.maximov, nor UnspokenPassion, blocked socks which are not listed in red in your chart or identified in any way as socks. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was an issue with sockpuppets with spaces in their name. That issue has been addressed.
I've also added a list of sockpuppets under each master; unfortunately, I can't provide details beyond this unless we want to split the sockpuppets out. BilledMammal (talk) 11:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, so the data that did appear for Kentucky Rain24, Izzy Borden and Red Slapper prior to your edit was permanently destroyed by your edit? -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have the information, I just don’t have a way to display it - I might be able to put something together, but it would take considerable work, far beyond the value of the data. BilledMammal (talk) 11:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm puzzled. You're saying that it would take considerable work to display the data that you were displaying until a few minutes ago? -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They’re now collapsed under their masters. To display the details while being consistent with that requires considerably more work than displaying them separately. BilledMammal (talk) 12:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
O.maximov and UnspokenPassion were identified after September 2. When I next update the data that will be addressed; I'll do that in a few days. BilledMammal (talk) 11:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You've also missed Onlineone22 (blocked in July) and MurrayGreshler (blocked in Dec 2022). There are also a couple of ArbCom blocks, copyvio blocks, personal attacks blocks and vanished users that you might consider grouping... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They’re not in sockpuppet categories; there is no way for me to identify that they are sockpuppets, or who the masters are.BilledMammal (talk) 12:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose this is obvious, but all you need to do is list those blocked for sockpuppetry with red backgrounds. Not sure why you don't want to do that...
-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because I have no way to automatically determine that they are sockpuppets, and I don’t want to start manually adjusting the table.
However, if you add the correct categories to the user pages, they will be incorporated when I next pull the data. BilledMammal (talk) 12:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the other blocks, I don’t think we should group them. They were blocked for disruption, but they are different people and should be presented as that. BilledMammal (talk) 12:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the idea was to determine what was causing disruption in the topic area? -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This table isn’t intended to cover all aspects of disruption; indeed, this table is generally intended to only be seen in context of other data, as being highly active/heavily focused on a single topic area isn’t disruptive by itself.
As such, that data is outside the scope of this table, and will reduce the utility of this data.
Further, I don’t see a way I can accurately and consistently determine who was blocked for what - and whether they were blocked for activity inside or outside the topic area.
I encourage you to investigate this aspect yourself. BilledMammal (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a general request, please stop interleaving your replies with mine. BilledMammal (talk) 12:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

<- As a general point about sock tracking, it's not ideal. Using AndresHerutJaim as an example...

  • You need to know the categories and it is not obvious because the category graph doesn't reflect the reassignment of socks to different sockmasters over time as the clerks change their minds e.g. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Delotrooladoo was reassigned to AHJ. Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Delotrooladoo is full of AHJ socks.
  • Even if you know the categories many accounts don't have user pages and are not categorized. So, you also need to look in the logs, again while having to know what to look for.
  • For example, for AHJ I look for the AndresHerutJaim, Delotrooladoo, יניב הורון, Spliff Joint Blunt accounts in the user table, the block logs and the categories. For post 2022-01-01 revisions in the PIA topic area that gives me the following, 159 accounts that made 1931 revisions in namespaces (0,1). So, that's 38 more accounts and 237 more revisions than currently in the stats. I should add, this approach obviously excludes the numerous IPs used by AHJ to edit in the topic over the years.
Sock example, AHJ
user_name blocked pia_editcount
Aarika Epps 2023-03-23T16:27:28 3
Abinavmishra 2023-07-07T13:36:36 27
Afrobumanges 2024-06-09T01:40:10 5
Agasinu 2022-05-01T01:33:05 1
Agasirt 2023-05-04T01:53:45 3
Agrestiansi 2024-03-12T13:08:25 1
Ahleypenn 2024-03-12T12:55:43 10
Alexbadescu 2024-03-12T13:10:15 1
Anclafina 2023-11-01T21:15:04 1
Anycryme 2022-02-15T02:34:27 1
Aranafil 2024-05-04T02:17:06 1
Athanasios Vlachakis 2022-05-01T01:22:47 1
BanyanClimber 2024-02-26T14:49:03 883
Bargagepla 2024-03-12T12:55:43 1
Beazy Blooiis 2022-06-18T00:09:07 3
Bettermidler 2022-05-01T01:33:05 18
Big Soophie 2022-06-16T08:31:13 1
Bogarl 2024-05-04T01:44:33 1
Brandon Summitt 2022-05-15T03:48:21 1
Brian Arps 2023-05-04T01:53:46 6
Byerleytan 2023-10-16T06:19:36 5
Carmanta 2024-01-19T15:54:09 2
Cate Tingley 2022-08-13T21:26:38 6
Catyronwade 2024-05-04T02:16:56 3
Chandlerjoe 2022-05-01T01:22:48 14
Cheezlander 2024-01-20T14:08:41 4
Clararudy 2023-11-03T10:04:49 2
Corphun 2022-05-01T01:22:46 2
Cossacho 2022-06-19T18:35:27 3
Dalaufer 2022-05-01T01:22:47 11
Dan Moritz 2024-03-15T12:01:59 7
Danosauruscreck 2022-03-08T00:04:40 7
DaverMeister 2023-06-09T16:57:16 3
David Olpan 2024-01-21T18:13:48 2
Dedeborya 2023-11-04T13:00:23 5
DefiantSix 2023-10-18T15:02:02 1
Dian Komley 2024-02-27T18:57:55 1
Dianagurman 2023-11-17T22:56:08 3
Dolly Chisolm 2023-10-30T22:18:16 9
Duponiuex 2023-01-27T15:19:41 12
Eastern Geek 2022-05-01T01:22:45 33
Elvaquerosr 2023-06-23T16:11:33 4
Emolu 2023-10-19T16:50:33 160
Faes Flores 2022-05-12T02:27:37 7
Fagerbakke 2023-10-13T13:18:33 20
Falmervegas 2024-05-04T02:15:25 1
Firankcar 2024-05-04T02:15:41 1
Forashand 2024-07-29T20:35:16 15
Garyweaton 2023-10-19T16:49:30 1
Gebratenerstorch 2024-02-27T18:57:47 3
General Blorp 2023-08-25T15:57:49 46
Geosword6 2023-10-22T05:29:04 6
Goweser 2022-05-01T01:33:04 3
Griffferguson 2023-10-18T16:04:14 3
Halo N.Y. 2024-02-27T18:57:46 2
Hamish Faria 2023-10-18T15:39:24 2
Hassananhori 2022-05-01T01:33:05 5
HinerFamily 2023-05-30T16:33:38 1
Istebrak 2023-01-27T15:19:42 7
Jakemerten 2023-01-27T15:19:39 1
Jaminlavandera 2024-03-15T12:01:59 5
Jannatbella 2023-01-15T21:33:40 4
Janosroth 2023-10-16T05:53:43 4
Jaster Mareel 2023-06-23T16:16:45 4
Joctanugal 2022-06-19T12:54:45 1
Joemb1977 2023-11-12T15:21:25 10
JohnFroelich 2023-10-16T06:19:36 18
Kaishungibson 2023-10-19T06:39:19 2
Katieknutson 2024-02-27T18:58:07 1
KitiRC 2023-05-04T01:53:44 7
KrystalMonique 2023-10-19T06:41:39 4
LacklusterLiz 2022-05-15T03:48:21 1
Laivishor 2024-03-15T12:01:59 2
Lanesass 2023-04-01T05:29:06 1
Lesliesheperd 2024-05-04T02:14:54 2
Lisa Day-Daniels 2023-01-27T15:19:37 11
Lithiumin 2023-01-27T15:19:38 3
Lonniebailey 2023-10-18T16:04:01 3
Madalyn Turgoose 2022-05-15T03:48:21 1
McKenziert 2022-05-01T01:33:05 1
Melvin Mor 2023-03-23T17:12:33 5
Merarish89 2023-01-03T05:12:36 10
Mesdelaw 2022-01-16T03:14:21 1
Michael P. Gamble 2022-01-28T23:57:37 2
Midgetydeath 2023-05-04T01:53:45 22
Mihaelaghimici 2023-01-27T15:19:40 3
Moosechuckle 2022-05-01T01:22:47 1
Mordeys 2024-02-27T18:58:05 1
Muskeiter 2024-05-04T02:13:37 1
Nahasuckes 2024-02-27T18:58:00 1
Neilgartigan 2023-10-21T03:17:53 2
Nudiaclemente 2024-02-05T01:00:15 5
Numdaliey 2024-02-27T18:57:51 1
OneMeanArtist 2022-05-12T23:10:42 6
Osthuizen 2023-11-01T16:23:28 6
Outlaouk 2024-03-15T12:01:59 1
Papu Shiawase 2023-10-21T03:17:53 4
Pauleredge 2022-05-01T01:22:48 53
Perialexander 2024-03-12T13:12:22 11
Phair Plaigh 2023-03-23T16:39:16 3
Polyankov 2024-01-08T14:05:21 2
Potrategy 2024-03-12T12:55:44 1
Prathamers 2023-07-07T13:28:00 5
Pritagros 2024-02-27T18:58:03 6
Psiball 2023-01-03T05:19:26 50
Qomorman 2024-07-22T19:16:03 10
Randy Atkins 2023-10-19T16:24:51 2
Richard Romanyshyn 2023-11-22T15:22:04 6
Ridaszina 2023-10-23T14:50:06 2
Rogers Kodger 2023-03-23T17:35:04 6
Royce Rufer 2022-05-01T01:22:47 11
Rwenyerson 2023-10-16T05:24:08 9
Scionofdorn 2023-10-18T16:05:27 1
Seaner Delap 2023-01-27T15:19:39 4
Serodador 2023-11-01T15:43:13 1
Shafrid 2023-01-27T15:19:40 1
Shamrakit 2024-03-12T13:12:23 1
Shavarom 2023-01-27T15:19:37 1
Shekdat 2024-02-27T18:57:56 1
Shematan 2022-05-01T01:22:46 2
Shermaniter 2024-03-12T13:12:22 1
Shuvam Koleyri 2023-01-05T13:17:48 16
Sibirsi Kazak 2024-02-27T18:57:48 3
Slapshotmadam 2023-05-12T16:23:03 4
Slarizt 2024-02-27T18:57:42 1
Spencer Stevens 2023-05-04T01:53:44 1
SpottedOtter 2022-10-18T16:31:01 36
Stefan Zilber 2023-05-04T01:53:44 3
Stevafraiza 2022-05-01T01:22:46 3
Stevenjezyk 2023-10-19T06:40:22 4
Strugglini Auns 2024-05-04T02:14:01 1
Stuart Malin 2023-11-01T15:31:00 3
Suzquad 2023-10-18T18:59:18 12
Teloditol 2023-10-19T14:18:10 1
Theadkr 2023-12-12T22:44:29 1
Timmyalohare 2022-12-14T03:14:02 2
Toddaylor 2023-01-27T15:19:38 8
Tysir Pemberton 2023-01-27T15:26:19 3
Ulsafir 2023-10-19T07:01:05 6
User7681 2024-02-26T22:47:55 5
Vanna Phil 2023-03-23T17:35:08 1
Vedaras 2024-03-12T13:12:22 1
Virief 2023-11-01T15:16:39 9
Vistdani 2022-07-18T09:21:50 2
Vitamortisachla 2023-05-04T01:53:46 20
Vitamortisach 2022-06-18T00:09:07 2
Walidmaran 2023-11-01T17:27:10 1
William Lavagna 2023-01-27T15:19:40 2
Wranglerhost 2024-05-04T02:16:00 1
Yasser Kalidi 2024-07-02T16:16:05 4
Yorowaggins 2024-02-27T18:57:52 12
Zachary Peloquin 2023-01-27T15:19:37 6
Zackriederer 2023-09-25T01:12:10 2
Zapdungar 2023-12-04T00:20:26 1
Zaramun 2024-02-27T18:57:44 1
Zeevkafif 2023-11-17T23:13:11 4
Zevaritin 2024-03-12T13:12:22 2
Спидвагона 2022-06-13T04:42:13 6
בארד 2022-06-16T21:43:19 2

Sean.hoyland (talk) 06:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme tunnel vision

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Linking my criticism here [1]. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]