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I clear my talk page at the start of every year, and the month isn't even over yet, but so far I have 65 notifications this year for PROD/AFD on my talk page. :) The significant majority of them are for articles created several years ago, while the rest were mostly created within the last few months. I'm popular. ;) I've only contested maybe half of those, and that percentage decreases while I am in self-imposed exile from AFD. BOZ (talk) 04:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
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Hounding

As you didn't answer me at COIN, I thought I'd ask again -

Now that the dust is settled at COIN, have you moved on? I note some pro-fringe edits of yours on my watchlist, should I look at your contributions, or will you continue your hounding of the Gorrillaz? Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 09:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Roxy! I thought I did respond. That said, I don't really appreciate threats, especially when they are based around false accusations such as making pro-fringe edits. If you feel like dropping the threats and accusations and keeping things civil I'm sure that we can have a discussion. - Bilby (talk) 09:44, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Thinking about it, I don't think you'll take my word for anything I might say, so how about we just wait and see if I edit in a manner that you approve? - Bilby (talk) 09:55, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, you responded at COIN, you just didn't answer. Perhaps I am mistaken, and your editing is not pro fringe, but anti Gorrillaz? To be hionest, it probably makes no difference, as the effect appears the same. You really need to back off. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 13:57, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
It's better for me if I take a few steps back from this, and you will get no further comment from me. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 21:25, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

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Skeptics Dictionary and Skeptoid

I noticed you removed a lot of links to Quackwatch because you said it was a self-published source. What do you think about the Skeptic's Dictionary website that is used on living biographies? [2], the website was maintained and owned by Robert Todd Carroll and the Skeptoid website is maintained by Brian Dunning. So by your logic shouldn't those sources be removed from many articles, because they are self-published as well? Why was Quackwatch singled out? What about the others? Should we create a discussion about this somewhere? Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:08, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

I haven't removed skepdic because I haven't looked into it. If it is self published, and used incorrectly, then yes, it should be removed. If you belive that this is the case, and it is being used inappropriately, then perhaps you should tackle the problem? However, I don't know the situation with that one. - Bilby (talk)
Where do you think the correct place should be to open a discussion about this? I would open one up. Is there a board dedicated to discussing self-published sources? Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I presume you mean [{WP:RSN]]? - Bilby (talk) 23:20, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Ok thanks, that was it [3]. I will open a big discussion there tomorrow, and then we will see what will happen Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
[4] Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

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Not technically a surgeon

The page for Rashid A. Buttar is locked. So it has a section where it says he was a surgeon for the US Army. He was not a surgeon. He was an intern. The source referenced is his own website, where he can write anything he wants. Please clarify the claim and find an outside reputabld source as proof. Tessx (talk) 23:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools

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The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.

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Congratulations

...on ratcheting up the enforcement of SPS to exclude valid public criticisms of antivaxers and other charlatans by recognised experts on platforms with editorial review. You must be so proud. Guy (help!) 09:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

That would be entertaining if true, but no, that isn't what happened - because the criticism is still there. if it isn't self published I'm happy to see the source returned, but currently she is listed as a Forbes contributor, and under WP:RSP "Forbes.com contributor articles should never be used for third-party claims about living persons". - Bilby (talk) 09:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Bilby, you are the most powerful advocate that these fuckers have on Wikipedia, and I think you probably know it. Guy (help!) 09:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
If you can point out where in Robert Sears (physician) I removed a negative claim about the subject, you might have a point. But not a single statement was removed. I made sure that any negative claims about Sears where either already adequately sourced or I found a BLP compliant source to use. - Bilby (talk) 09:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

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Nothing but trouble

The 22nd photo is me.😏 Jayden is rad (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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User:Elprime is using Wikipedia for creating personal attacks on Santrex, he is uploading email screenshots (File:Alexander Freeman Threatened Brian Krebs .png), google links (File:HostSailor TrendMicro.png), adding spam links https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Hosting_environment&oldid=961794660 and disrupting Wikipedia pages. Adding spam on pages https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Crime_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates&oldid=961874445. Can you look into this? 71.195.54.223 (talk) 16:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #2 – Quick updates

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– Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

At MLM

You missed 963501165 and the revision after. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

That was the only one that looked ok. :) I'll check it again, though, just in case. - Bilby (talk) 00:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
They still contain the earlier text (starting "The fatwa of the Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Ifta in Saudi Arabia..."), which was only removed by Beauty School Dropout here. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:38, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Oh well, I was hoping to keep it to retain attribution, but we always tend to have to revdel more than we'd like with copyvio anyway. Thanks! - Bilby (talk) 00:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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On 16 March 2020, the 50 millionth edit was made using the visual editor on desktop.

Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:

  • The 50 millionth edit using the visual editor on desktop was made this year. More than 10 million edits have been made here at the English Wikipedia.
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Barkaat Ahmad sockfarm

I guess we have some enough evidence to link this sockfarm to Elmakkan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Please check your inbox for details. GSS 💬 06:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Please see ....

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HGO Trust

Hi! You placed a COI template on the article HGO Trust, but unfortunately you did not, as the template's home page suggests, "promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article" (It also adds "If you do not start a discussion, any editor will be justified in removing the tag without warning.") - So I have started the discussion on your behalf. It would be helpful I think if you could indicate and edit yourself any areas which you find to violate WP:NPOV. As you may be aware, I self-notified my interest in this page in May of this year, and my declaration is there on the talkpage. Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Again. I don't want to drag this out, but looking at WP:COIU it appears that it would be legitimate for me to suggest news about HGO and citations on the talk page and invite editors to add them if they wish. Would this incur your wrath? As you will see, no one but you or I has contributed to the discussion on this topic which I started on your behalf, when you placed the template on the article.

I seem to be in an absurd situation here - HGO is a charity, I derive no benefit from it of any sort. I did not write the original article. I declared my COI. What I have sought to do is to keep the article up to date by listings of its productions and of any awards it receives, in each case backed up by citations to reliable secondary sources. I do not add my own interpretations. I have maybe been premature - e.g., the company did win the NODA opera award for London, but NODA have not yet fully updated their own website. As and when they do so, this will be a fact which ought to be recorded in the article. In fact in the past I have done no more than many editors do who are fans of a particular film or music star, or sports team.--Smerus (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it is perfectly ok to suggest changes on the talk page. That's how this is meant to be handled, so all is good. It isn't absurb - it is simply that the community has decided that where people have a clear COI, such as being in charge of organistaions or writing about themselves, they should not edit the article directly. You're more than a fan because you are the Chairman, so the requirements are more stingent than they would be on a fan making the same edits. - Bilby (talk) 00:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago

Awesome
Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Young Living August 2020

Information icon Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Rhode Island Red (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that you are reintroducing copyright violations. If you don't like the wording, change it, but don't copy and paste the text from the sources with almost no alteration. - Bilby (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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Editing news 2020 #4

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The number of comments posted with the Reply Tool from March through June 2020. People used the Reply Tool to post over 7,400 comments with the tool.

The Reply tool has been available as a Beta Feature at the Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias since 31 March 2020. The first analysis showed positive results.

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The Editing team released the Reply tool as a Beta Feature at eight other Wikipedias in early August. Those Wikipedias are in the Chinese, Czech, Georgian, Serbian, Sorani Kurdish, Swedish, Catalan, and Korean languages. If you would like to use the Reply tool at your wiki, please tell User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF).

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Missing cites in Louis Laybourne Smith

The article cites "Last 1986" and "Richardson 1986", but no such works are cited in bibliography. There are works by these authors but different year -- a typo? Can you please add/clarify? Thanks, Renata (talk) 14:42, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that I have the years wrong, but I have the books here so I'll try and look them up to confirm. Thanks! - Bilby (talk) 13:44, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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John from Idegon

I see you blocked John from Idegon. I know nothing about his personal attacks, so I won't comment on those. However, generally, he does good work; work not too many other editors do. I know him because he and I both watch articles about high schools. Me primarily California and Nevada, he I think nationwide. Those articles are prone to having a lot of overzealous editing if not vandalism, mostly by noobs, IPs and SPAs. It can be anything form innocuous additions of non-notable or wannabe notable alumni (or just "a hell of a nice guy"), insertion of grandeous or hideous claims, Barack Obama, sports heroes or mass murders in alumni, staff or administration or the like. Scandals, real or imagined getting excess publicity. I hope you get the picture. On a good day, he might revert a dozen things in my watchlist, I might fix 3 in the same span of time. I've had my disputes with him because I believe in WP:BEFORE. Some of the claims are legit and he doesn't do his research before destroying legitimate content. Too many other editors, a majority, don't do it either. For him, this might have been a full time job, for me, I don't have the time to keep up with my watchlist of only 16,000 plus articles, maybe 1,000 are about high schools. He must have been monitoring some 16,000 high school articles alone. We don't have that many others watching this stuff, just random individuals watching a few at a time. My point is, his absence is going to open the door to possibly irreparable damage across the entirety of this subject. And our prominent articles on these high schools, presenting this future un-reverted junk for extended periods of time until someone notices, will become an embarrassment to wikipedia. Trackinfo (talk) 04:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I absolutely agree, John does excellent work patrolling a difficult space, and things are going to be harder without his efforts. Not every action is perfect, but his editing on those articles has been a net positive to the project. Hopefully John will be able to gain some understanding of the issues and be able to return to editing. - Bilby (talk) 07:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
When I was sanctioned, I was simply too proud to appeal. I wonder how many we loose that way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Too many, I think. I always feel that getting blocked - especially when you really thought you were doing what was best for the project - must feel like a slap. It is one thing to deliberatly vandalise or use socks, in which case it might well be part of the game, but not when you honestly thought what you were doing was for the best, and I think most if not all established editors here are doing what they think is for the best, otherwise they wouldn't be offering the project so much of their effort. Sometimes we're in a position where we have no more options, but I will never be happy using blocks in these circumstances. - Bilby (talk) 07:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I don't know how it feels to be blocked, because it didn't happen to me (other than range blocks). But exactly, to feel that treatment was unfair - in my case saying "battleground" when all I did was working towards more accessibility - just made me defiant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
He's now been blocked 5 times in the past 17 months and it's always the same: incivility and edit warring, despite repeated promises to reform. At this point, it is clear that he cannot conform to community norms in that regard. Bilby, you are well-justified.  JGHowes  talk 14:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Bilby, thanks for making this difficult decision. I once appreciated John's active work at defending article quality, especially on high school pages subject to vandalism and uninformative ramblings. But lately he has become cantankerous and insulting, reverting changes with the comment "gain consensus for your edits" while refusing to engage in consensus discsussions, and accusing people of wasting his time while himself making lazy inaccurate edits. He uses outdated language and conventions regarding education, while insisting (as in your latest example) that editors have a college-level understanding of the material (I can't find such a minimal education guideline, is there one?). Overall, he has become a frightening deterrent to newer editors trying to be bold in editing, especially for high school students who are our future. I wish John well and hope he recovers from his problems, but he can't be an editor in his current condition. I'm happy to increase my watch list and help instruct newer high school page editors. I hope others will as well. novanglusva (talk) 18:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I also want to tip my hat to Bilby. I had the misfortune to encounter John from Idegon both as a new and experienced user. I don't think any interaction I had with him was civil, ranging from when I was still learning about consensus and inclusion standards (John called me disruptive rather than help a newbie who was editing in obvious good faith) to normal editing (he disputed an edit I made and called me annoying when I tried to resolve the issue on his talk page) to questionable AfD behavior (musing that Boogie2988, an evidently notable subject, was not notable). Sure, he did good work with schools and other areas, but I think that made too many people willing to brush off his utter browbeating of other users, especially new users. He was a jerk, and I'm not sorry to see him go. Someone else will step up, I'm sure. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 16:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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I remember working with you on the Kender article way, way back in the day. Do you know of any more sources that can be used to improve the article? BOZ (talk) 22:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Not off hand, but I'll have a look and see what has turned up since then. Sad to see articles that went through so much work deleted. - Bilby (talk) 04:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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I noticed you are making sweeping changes to the article concerning Vernon Coleman's AID's Denialism. Please consult the talk page of the article, as I believe that although your changes are not malicious, you are missing key pages from the reference material. MrEarlGray (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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I get your block and the reasons why you made it; however, I don't think it's fair to John or any other editor to let their user talk become a drama board. John's been blocked and seems to have left for good; if he wants to come back, he understands how he needs to try and do that. People debating the merits of his block on his user talk page isn't going to change any of that, and the grave dancing comment that started the latest spurt of posts is only going to get worse if not nipped in the bud asap. Perhaps, as the blocking admin, you can post something to let others know that there are other places they can post to discuss the merits of John's block if they so please. Excessive and unnecessary drama on his user talk might only led John to blank the page, but it might also lead to a response that doesn't help anyone (least not of all John) in the long run. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I did read this, but only after the page was courtesy blanked. I think that was a very good solution under the circumstances. - Bilby (talk) 12:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
I supported your RfA, and with more than just a vote, but your rare use of admin tools in blocking John from Idegon indefinitely was not, IMHO, one of your finest moments. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, but at some point after a user has been asked repeatedly to stop making personal attacks, we need to do more than ask. Making a call as to when that time has come is always going to be hard and potentially controversial. - Bilby (talk) 02:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I had many good interactions with John from Idegon over the years and believe that he was a net positive before 2020, despite occasionally losing his cool. I actually tried to visit with him when I was in eastern Oregon in 2017 but he was not available. But this year, he blew his stack with increasing regularity and his final outburst was atrocious. Accordingly, I cannot criticize your block, Bilby. I hope that John recovers his emotional stability and is able some day to return to the project. But I do not think that will be soon. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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What do you mean when you say that my answer on why the follow up is allowed for inclusion is "Grossly insulting"? If I remember the summary I did not insult Slatersteven. If you're asking about "bitches," I was simply referring to Willis and Mikovits. For Slater to later see that the reason I reverted his revert (acceptable per WP:3RR) is edit summary removed is concerning. Out of remembrance on the summary and on the thought on how the removal of my edit summary can cause assumptions of me insulting Slater or other editors when I DON'T, I view the removal of the summary unjustified. GeraldWL 11:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

It is not appropriate to describe women as "bitches". - Bilby (talk) 11:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Bilby, and are you aware of Plandemic's talk page, where other editors have openly insulted the casts of the series in a much more quantity? I used that term to not make people conspire that I am somehow supporting conspiracy theories and will give a larger burden on me. You have to understand the scary climate of the article, where editors have warred and give unsubstantial opinions simply to "combat misinformation." Thus my decision to include "bitches." Instead warn me or something: the removed summary contain information that may be vital to other editors understanding why I reverted his revert. GeraldWL 11:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to explain to @Slatersteven: that I did not revert because of anything said about them. I am, however, unwilling to reinstate an edit summary which described women in that manner. I assumed that it was a one-off error, which is why I didn't worry about a warning - it didn't seem like language that you would normally employ.. - Bilby (talk) 11:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I did not think you did. And no we should not describe women as bithces, and it does not look like an accident.Slatersteven (talk) 11:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Slatersteven, I think I was just scared of the many people in WP here, who have acted nonsensically in the video's peak as seeable on the talk archives. Not as a counter-argument, but editors have been insulting the article's subjects previously even more. GeraldWL 12:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
You were scared so you...type a sexist insult? Nor do I think "others did it as well" is a good defense.Slatersteven (talk) 12:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Its just dawned on me what you have just written, you included the insult in the hope and believe that by insulting them and seeming to be not supporting the makers of the video you edit would not be undone? It was done solely in the hope your edit would be seen as not possitive? I suggest you read wp:agf.Slatersteven (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Slatersteven, I know I will sound embarrassing but it is my only way to convince extreme editors that I am not a conspiracist. In my experience with such people you really have to do everything to stop them from assuming bad faith. I cannot assume good faith on editors if they assume bad faith in me; no mate that's not how I am. That's why I have a bad feeling about your revert for a short while; usually editors who assume bad faith type such summaries: "Vague information" etc. I would not talk further about this as I've learned from this incident. However I have to note that this is the first time a visibility has been changed due to "insults," and I expected a similar level of security when the article's in its peak. GeraldWL 12:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
No its not the only way, you can make arguments that people accept, you did not (for example) follow wp:brd and when I reverted you made an argument at talk, instead you reverted).Slatersteven (talk) 14:31, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Slatersteven, per WP:3RR I am allowed to make 3 reverts in 24h. I usually do so until 2 reverts and if I'm still not satisfied I'll go to Talk (you can see I did not revert Roxy's edit this time cause I gave up on that, furthermore this article is a GAN rn so I don't want it immediately disqualified cause of edit war). As I stated, I would like to end this discussion, as I've learnt not to put sexist language in summaries. I think continuing this thread will cause hostility, and I don't want hostility in collaboration. GeraldWL 14:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
That is not a right, its an upper limit "The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." and BRD is very clear "If your bold edit was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version. If your reversion was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version. If you re-revert, then you are no longer following BRD".Slatersteven (talk) 15:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Slatersteven, as I stated, I would like for this thread be bowed down. Continuing this would just make conditions more hostile. GeraldWL 15:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I note the user is aware DS sanctions apply, one of which is "Edit warring is detrimental to the editing environment as it disrupts articles and tends to inflame content disputes rather than resolve them. Users who engage in multiple reverts of the same content but are careful not to breach the three revert rule are still edit warring.", I think a warning may be in order.Slatersteven (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Slatersteven, ah yes, I will be blocked very soon. F***. GeraldWL 15:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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Dear Bilby, i am noticing you that you are contributing to Vellore Institute of Technology by reverting the contributor of that page and blocking them even though their page contributor disclosed the contribution, if you are having personal interest to that article or did you get paid kindly disclose it conflict of interest guideline. If you have any personal vengeance Personal Attack on that article or on the contributor this is not a platform for your interest. Welcome the new user by guiding if they post any promotional or vandalism in right way do not block them.

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User:Aravi0811 was blocked by another administrator. Once blocked, the user of that account is not permitted to create new accounts in order to get aroud that block. - Bilby (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Bilby, thanks for the input on the talk page of User:Majed92. I was concerned that he/she may be getting monetary compensation, or some other incentive, to edit the Yinon Yahel article. Their response to your first comment seemed quite earnest and I'm curious to know, what has convinced you that he/she is getting paid for their edits? Thank you.Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 06:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Revirvlkodlaku! It wasn't a great mystery - in early January someone placed an ad asking to hire an editor to edit the Yinon Yahel article. They provided the URL, so it was clear what they wanted done. The next day they hired someone with an almost identical username to Majed92, and Majed92 started editing the article. To make things interesting, after you reverted those first edits the job was opened again, only with the added explanation that someone had reverted the original editor they hired and that they needed to hire someone else as well. My guess is that Majed92 isn't a long term paid editor - just someone who took a single job - so I want to give them a chance to follow policy. It doesn't normally work out, but I'd like to AGF and give them the chance. - Bilby (talk) 07:20, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Right, fair enough, thanks for explaining. Out of curiosity, how did you become aware of the ad that was placed? This whole world of paid Wikipedia editing is quite foreign to me, I've only recently become aware of the phenomenon (rather scary, I think!), so I'm puzzled how one goes about seeking this kind of editing work. Anyway, thanks again, I'm glad the article is restored to something less cluttered than what it started to look like in the past few days, although I'm sure more attempts to add all that material will follow...Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I check Upwork mostly because of the large number of banned editors who work through there. - Bilby (talk) 00:19, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Seriously! I had no idea about that. Well, I'm glad you caught it, nice work! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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