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Recent edits to Telstra

The source for the comments I made regarding Telstra come from Alexa [1] and from comments made by Telstra in their own press releases and various interviews, as well as my 10 years online marketing experience. It would pay to ask first for sources before reversing the edit. --Hollowpointr (talk) 12:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC) The comments I made are now under the category Criticisms... --Hollowpointr (talk) 12:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

If there are sources please add them with <ref>http://source.com/page Page name</ref> Also you can't add your point of view as it beaches Wikipedia:No original research, WP:NPOV Bidgee (talk) 12:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC) This is not original research, mate. Why are you being so difficult? Is it the power? If you bother to check, there are hundreds of articles on the net relating to telstra's decline. but fine, i will put a link to Alexa and people can search it from there. Talk about adding fuel to the fire. Do you work for Telstra? --Hollowpointr (talk) 12:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC) There. added the reference... as far as point of view, i have not added it.. I said in the article that the data comes from Alexa. --Hollowpointr (talk) 12:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Infact I do not work for or support Telstra. "Telstra now appears to be in a spiralling nose dive with it's Truelocal and Yellow Pages brands." but without a source it sounds like a POV. Bidgee (talk) 12:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

well gee... if you look at the statistics, that is how it appears... without owning Alexa, and having an intimate knowledge of how they calculate their stats, I cannot say for sure. It now has a source, so how about we leave it there before this just escalates into bs... --Hollowpointr (talk) 12:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Please stay WP:Civil. Your source isn't an article just a figure for one website. Is there anymore sources? Bidgee (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You must be joking! If you have a hitwise account, you can look for yourself! i'm happy to put a list of at least 50 articles all saying the same thing, and essentially filling up Telstra's page with refs. My source does not need to be an article, as even images can be referenced (maybe YOU should check the policy). I really get annoyed when someone who uses wikipedia maybe a little too much starts to police it... usually at the detriment of free speech and free press. The source has been referenced, that is all.. it is YOU who needs to be civil and stop trying to run wikipedia the way YOU want it to be run. --Hollowpointr (talk) 13:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not have a hitwise account and yes not an article but it has to be reliable and not just one figure. Since you can't be civil and assuming good faith please make anyother comments on the Telstra talkpage. Bidgee (talk) 13:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

As I stated previously (and you deleted the edit), you are not an admin, nor a Telstra or Alexa employee, so I fail to understand why you believe you are in a position to cite the post as an Unreliable Source? In fact, if you have something to say about the post, then by all means, contact me and ask me first before deleting what I type... a pattern that seems to be emerging with other reverts that you have made on a regular basis. --Hollowpointr (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Greetings

Nice to see you back again - hope you have a nice trip home. I have changed my user name again! Was Golden Wattle and before that AYArktos Regards--Matilda ^talk 20:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

And again acknowledging I see your name pop up on my watchlists - good to see you are still around despite being up north. Hope your studies are going well Regards --Matilda ^talk 01:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:NT

Hi Bidgee, I was noticing your edits to Northern Territory-related articles and was wondering whether you'd like to join the Northern Territory WikiProject! Thanks for all those great photos of Darwin, I hope you take more! :) ~ Riana ⁂ 01:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Was going to say, have also noticed your great work on this somewhat neglected area, esp the photos. :) I'm an admin based from neighbouring Western Australia and try to help out when I can - I work with the ABS statistics, government documentation, the maps (I have a 2004 UBD of the NT here) and the politics but suffer from having never been there and so lack local knowledge - which is where you and Piano01 are great to have on board. Thanks for your efforts and feel free to drop a line if you need anything! :) Orderinchaos 16:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit?

Dear Bidgee, you have reverted my edits and I have no idea why did you do that. The information I've supplied contains useful info and nothing harm to any policies in Wikipedia.

Ah ok, but i did was to give a main introduction which attracts everyone. I am sorry i can't find that it's already in the article... If it's already there, my introduction is still creative and attractive than the previous one...Any ideas?? Have you changed your mind?

Ok, I've got it. But next time, I strongly suggest you to add the reason for reverting in the edit summary, otherwise people will simply get confused...

Thank you very much!

And one more thing, I need advice for the following :

"Lightning is one of the most beautiful displays in nature. It is also one of the most deadly natural phenomena known to man."

Ok, how do you say it's my own view? Even a 7-year-old kid will say it's true... --Chamath Mc (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey Bidgee, sorry to read that you have left the Territory. Appreciate all your help with Wiki-Northern Territory. All the best for the future and hope you make it back one day. Regards, Spy007au (talk) 00:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection for user page

Hi - I noticed a spacte of vandalism and have taken it on myself to semi-protect your user page. The vandalism was being reverted but it seems unnecessary. Let me know if you want the page unprotected. Regards Matilda ^talk 05:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Photo?

Hi - I am curious about a photo of a building only to be stopped by NSW Police (Using some LAW banning photography which is the first I've heard of it). The only one I have heard of is some really bizarre law stopping you from taking photos on the Sydney Harbour foreshore but it does seem to be qualified for commercial purpose. There are restrictions apparently about "defence installations" This info sheet is not bad but perhaps it is not wholly complete and does mention "defence installation" restrictions - http://www.artslaw.com.au/LegalInformation/StreetPhotographersRights.asp I am curious - if you are prepared to tell me - what were you photographing and what did the police say? regards --Matilda ^talk 06:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• How very weird! It sounds to me as though she (the policewoman) was bluffing. You might find it useful to take along in your camera case a printout of the sheet linked to above in your camera. It is suggested for situations where things get narky. There was an article at one stage in the Sydney Morning Herald about taking pictures on Bondi beach and people saying you couldn't when in fact you can - see http://blogs.smh.com.au/photographers/archives/2007/02/photography_is_not_a_crime.html - I found it a useful read although I have fortunately never been in a confronting situation. Regards Matilda ^talk 16:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits to Underbelly (TV series)

In regards to your recent edits to the Underbelly article, which I reverted, which you re-reverted:

The official website link which you placed in the external links should be removed because it is already in the infobox. According to Wikipedia policy, this should not be repeated, not should the other (TV.com and IMDb) links in the infobox.

I don't see why you removed the link to the TV IV wiki. You quote WP:ELNO 12 which states that "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." should not be included. It also states that "wikis that meet this criteria might also be added to Meta:Interwiki map". In my opinion, the TV IV has a substantial number of editors and, it appears that other Wikipedians do too, as it has been added to Meta:Interwiki map.

Also, the Australian Television Information Archive is a very informative website for Australian series. I do not see any point in WP:ELNO that should allow the removal of this link.

If I am mistaken, please let me know.

Thanks, Daniel99091 (talk) 08:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC).

• Hi - as there is no large number of links - only the two - and they are both focussed on the article subject, I see no problem with them. Sorry to take so long to get back to you. Regards --Matilda ^talk 04:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

greetings

Trust you know the WP:3RR processes - I am gonna ask some admins to watch the kunnunnura - it is frustrating to watch this from cold perth - but probably wrth asking an admin to watch over the article - cheers - please tell me to p off if youd rather deal with it yourself - but an admin watching is always a good idea SatuSuro 12:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I've given this editor a final warning and an explanation. I will also watch the page. Meanwhile, please take care of 3RR, this is good advice. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 13:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd leave it alone for a bit WP:3RR has been breached by both of ya's - an aggro admin and youre both gone - best to take it easy while the other party sorts out that they cannot do an WP:OR or WP:COI issue on the article anyways - theyll get clobbered on that one anyways - hey have a cold one for me wherever you are - cheers _ I cannot promise the chop wont happen - I aint no admin SatuSuro 14:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Good to see you went to the admin help area- some occasionally interesting bods seem to inhabit that part of the universe :) SatuSuro 12:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

V8 Supercars photo

Hi Bidgee. I noticed that you added a photo of a safety car to the History section of the V8 Supercars article. I'm thinking of reverting it because that section makes no reference to safety cars at all so I think it looks out of place. In fact, the entire article only mentions the safety car once and that's in relation to the Bathurst 1000. I wanted to get your feedback before making a change. What do you think? --Fruv (talk) 04:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Frogs of NT

Good on ya mate. Hesperian 13:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Back-building thunderstorm

Why, would you remove the wiki link of Back-building thunderstorm? Anyways, not trying to scorn your editing, but I am putting it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miajmw (talk • contribs) 18:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits to Cockroach

• Dear Bidgee,

I see that you removed my link for the Allpet Roaches Forum, yet the link for the Blattodea Culture Group Forum persists. Why? I did get your link to the rules section which states that forums can't be linked to, but am curious why you didn't also delete the other forum? Peter Clausen (talk)Peter Clausen

V8 supercars

Gosh, don't you think it might be worth leaving the statement and the in at all? get a grip. Greg Locock (talk) 11:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Please keep WP:GOODFAITH. It can be classed as controversial and hearsay therefore needs a source(s) before being readded. Bidgee (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks more like WP:OWN to me. The contentt is not hearsay, it has been widely canvassed over the past five years. eg [[2]] [[3]] etc etc etc You don't think the original contributor might be better encourage in wikiways by being asked to provide a cite than by summarily deleting his content? Greg Locock (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That is an a personal attack accusing me of WP:OWN. I rarely edit in that Article but when it comes to unref'ed content which other may say didn't happen. Also I'm not stopping you from adding the {{fact}}. I removed it as it wasn't sourced content, if it was sourced it would have stayed. The person who added the comment was an Anon (most likely a non-static IP).

Also forums[4] should be avoided WP:LINKSTOAVOID Bidgee (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Quite the little wikilawyer aren't you? I didn't say they were good cites otherwise I'd have put them in the article, duh. They are however proof that it is not hearsay -Geoff Polites not being exactly an anonymous source.re WP:OWN I said what it looked like to me. If that is a personal attack, so be it. You did remove my when I readded the content. So, if you wish to retire with some semblance of dignity, revert your deletion. And, at least ask yourself the question:"You don't think the original contributor might be better encourage in wikiways by being asked to provide a cite than by summarily deleting his content?" Greg Locock (talk) 12:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You never added a {{cn}} see [5] and please don't try and tell me what to do. Bidgee (talk) 12:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Check the diff, then apologise, if you have any guts. Greg Locock (talk) 12:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok you did. I apologize for reverting it however I didn't see the {{cn}} until now. Bidgee (talk) 12:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent acitivity

What is wrong with you, Bidgee? Do you have to edit everyone's stuff? Are you just a troll? I add something, you edit.. it's like you are using wikipedia for your own personal flaming... snap out of it, or the next edit will be your requested removal from wikipedia. --Hollowpointr (talk) 09:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you telling me I can't edit anything anyone adds? You're not Assuming Good Faith and you can't tell me what I can or can't edit. I never removed anything from Telstra article today, A Admin did, I only added {{fact}} tags which you removed. Stop being uncivil and harassing me! Bidgee (talk) 09:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I notice that you have been bandying AGF around a fair bit yesterday. It seems to me that repeatedly deleting unsourced material rather than asking for refs is a failure to apply AGF by yourself to other editors. You are NOT the one to ajudicate what new content goes onto a page, you are perfectly entitled to ask for refs in the usual way, and then delete the material if no refs are forthcoming after a reasonable amount of time. I shall be observing your future behaviour with interest. Greg Locock (talk) 01:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Anons (Which are unlikely to come back under the same IP making it useless messaging them) and one POV (which I removed and then tagged then was removed by a Admin) is all I removed yesterday. Yesterday you were uncivil and not AGF. Bidgee (talk) 03:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you have a bit of a problem with matters of record. I am not anon. I readded the material with a inserted, and yet you reverted that edit. So, you (preumably) assumed that my non-anonymous reinsertion was a bad faith edit. So, twice yesterday (to me and another named user) removed material we put in rather than requesting cites. That is not AGF on your part. Now, I forgot to thank you for your apology, and your correction of your own poor editing, but that does not get you off the hook. In future please apply AGF to other editors (since it seems to be an important consideration to you) and do not just delete new material ad hoc. I can't actually remember being uncivil (by my admittedly rough and ready standards), I just pointed out the truth and who was responsible. Greg Locock (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I never said that you where a Anon! and that other user was a unnamed user (Anon IP). You have been uncivil yesterday. Only 2 users have issues with my editing no one else. Bidgee (talk) 09:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

You wrote when justifying your reversion "The person who added the comment was an Anon (most likely a non-static IP). " No, I added it . I am not anon. Therefore you deleted stuff that was put in by a named user, in direct contravention of your claims. Incidentally where in wiki policy does it say that content by anons is less valuable than any other? Greg Locock (talk) 04:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

You're twisting my words and you said you where not the Anon (Adding anything using an IP (not under you User ID) is a Anon), I can't tell if that IP belongs to you account therefore I seen the first edit as an Anon. It's not in the past now and I will no longer be commenting on the matter. As of now please don't reply on my talk page if you have nothing constructive to say. Bidgee (talk) 08:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, re: reverting vandalism on my user page.

Thanks for this edit, in which you reverted an anonymous user blanking my user page. — Alan De Smet | Talk 05:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleted

I have deleted six edits from this page; three that contained your personal information, and your three reverts of them. Hesperian 12:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Edits on Hesperian's talk page

Since I am not welcome to talk here that leaves me in a quandary, so far as communication with you goes. I am loathe to use a third party's talk page. Since you seem unwilling to engage in rational discourse on your own talk page then I am exercising my right to discuss your poor behaviour elsewhere. No regards (posted here and there) Greg Locock (talk) 14:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Didn't seem like at as the comment could have been left on User talk:Hesperian who is an Admin. You have seen how User:Hollowpointr has behaved on my talk page which will no doubt start again today (25th April). -- Bidgee (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

He says as he fires the first salvo. You left comments on my pages. In response, please be notified that I am left with no option but to formalise a complaint about your behaviour and your ongoing edit wars. --Hollowpointr (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Poking my head through the window and looking at the events from outside I say that if it starts again tomorrow, just request help at WP:AN/I there has been sufficient warnings to the editor that it would not be inappropriate for block to occur. Gnangarra 14:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Which editor - me? warnings ? Find more than one warning, and even that looked a tad informal. Don't exaggerate. (Oh, and PS to bidgee, I didn't repost on the other talk page since you are now using this one). Greg Locock (talk) 14:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Craig Moore (Broadcaster)

The article does not seem to meet the A7 criteria for speedy deletion, as there is a claim to notability. TigerShark (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)