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Barnstar
In recognition of your hard work on Scouting images. Thank you! ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:21, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Inkscape - your questions - for User: Kevin W.
Question from email
Here's what I've got so far. Attached first is a large image of the Oregon jersey. I have the numbers, the Oregon and the wings saved separately. Attached second is my initial modifications to the SVG template. How do I go about adding in the numbers/wings/etc. into the SVG as their own separate parts?
First trace the logos
For each image: (wings, numbers, logo etc...)
- Open the png in Inkscape
- click the image to select
- Path-Trace Bitmap
- Click the >color radio button
- you can fool around with the options - but default is often good
- ok
- close the trace box
- Now save as an svg
- Now open your template and one of the logo svg's in separate windows
- By using the 2 selection arrow tools from the toolbar at left you should be able to select all the paths you traced in the logo, copy them, then switch to the template window, paste them and resize them
You're going to have to refer to the tutorials I linked you to in order to learn about how to select, cut, paste, resize - practice using the different tools on some simple shapes first so you can understand how they work - then when you copy/paste from your traces, remember they are lots of individual shapes, so select them all and use Object-Group to make them easier to copy/paste/move around/resize.
I'm afraid whatever I type here is no substitute for getting stuck into the tutorials - it'll take a while to get used to - but once you "get it" it'll make more sense.
I honestly suggest setting a couple of hours aside just to play with the tutorials - it's well worth it - and far more than I can explain here. Editing vector graphics is different to any bitmap editing you've done - so it's a new skill you need to learn from scratch - once learnt it will make sense - Begoon (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- This is all such crap. One: I don't get why the people who design these programs make them so damn difficult to learn. Why can't they be simple and user-friendly and intuitive? Two: there was absolutely nothing wrong with my original images in the first place and the jerk that forced me into this position was wrong. I don't see why all of this work to make the SVG images should be so difficult on one hand and necessary on the other. I appreciate the help, but this all shouldn't be necessary. --Kevin W. 23:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- It may not be necessary. I hope I haven't misled you into thinking this was the only solution - I didn't say it was, just that it was one way to approach it - it was just a suggestion that if you were going to alter them anyway SVGs might be better suited for this kind of image, and an offer of help if you wanted to go that way, and improve them at the same time. There's nothing to stop you using the existing bitmaps provided you can resize them to something acceptable without losing quality. The editor who tagged them has no special position in this - he's just interpreting policy. I actually interpret it to mean the images are probably ok up to around 350-400px wide - but that's my opinion. You might find an opinion that they could even be larger to allow the logo details to be clear. There are editors who devote a lot of effort to this kind of thing - you might try asking someone like User:VernoWhitney. He talks sense in this area, in my experience. - Begoon (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, I hope you didn't think I was blaming you in any way. That wasn't my intention. It's just frustrating and I'm venting. I'm going to work at this and find a solution one way or the other. It's just a question of whether that solution is via the SVG conversions or just proving Eekster wrong and getting my images back the way they should be. --Kevin W. 23:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, I've gone ahead and contacted him with my concerns. Ultimately, I would like to make the move over to SVGs entirely, but I want my images to be preserved as is while I go through the rather arduous process. That means getting Eekster off of my back. Hopefully, this can be resolved the way it should be. --Kevin W. 23:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I would just like to see you find a solution that is satisfactory. You are more than welcome to vent here - it's a very broadminded talk page!! Seriously, though - I do understand how frustrating this type of situation can be which is why I offered to help. I popped a note on User:VernoWhitney's talk page too - just to link him to the relevant discussions. - Begoon (talk) 00:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- If you could take a look at my latest comment on the non-free review page I'd appreciate it. --Kevin W. 07:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'll do so right now. - Begoon (talk) 08:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- Ok - I commented there. A small piece of advice, though - I know it's frustrating, but try not to turn it into a fight - you're less likely to get the result you want that way. If it were me, I'd probably refactor the message you just left on the editor talk page to be less confrontational. Hope you don't mind that comment - just trying to help. It's easier for me to make comments like that when I'm not really involved - I know it must be a huge pain for you. - Begoon (talk) 08:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'll do so right now. - Begoon (talk) 08:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- If you could take a look at my latest comment on the non-free review page I'd appreciate it. --Kevin W. 07:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- I would just like to see you find a solution that is satisfactory. You are more than welcome to vent here - it's a very broadminded talk page!! Seriously, though - I do understand how frustrating this type of situation can be which is why I offered to help. I popped a note on User:VernoWhitney's talk page too - just to link him to the relevant discussions. - Begoon (talk) 00:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Malaysia spoken word
Hi, I saw that you added the Malaysia audio files in the article. Thanks for cleaning them up and the add. BejinhanTalk 06:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- No problem at all - I could sense you were busy at the time, so it seemed best to do it for you - Begoon (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Kind of feel like I'm making progress understanding this! I've not got a rewrite done, I'm just concentrating on understanding the history, but I've got notes and some sources up at me sandbox if it helps. TFOWR 15:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks - I'll take a look at that later - just about to watch the football (4am here - must be insane, getting up in the cold to watch 2 teams I don't support. Always felt sorry for the Dutch that they didn't win it in the 70s when they deserved to - but I doubt they'll do it today, either) - Begoon (talk) 17:57, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Re:Quick note
Hi, ok, thanks for letting me know. It certainly does seems a little suspicious. I'll be keeping an eye on it. BejinhanTalk 12:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- Btw,(offtopic) the Dutch lost as expected. Too bad. :p BejinhanTalk 12:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- No - it's ok - they didn't deserve to win this time. In the 70s they were the "pure football" team with Cruyff, Neeskens etc, and it's a tragedy they didn't win then. This time Spain were the stand out team, even though they were a bit muzzled by a plodding Dutch performance in this game. The right team won... - Begoon (talk) 12:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) (offtopic) Per Begoon's prediction, or per Paul's prediction? ;-) TFOWR 12:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- @TFOWR: Meh, that psychic creature. Actually, neither. :) It was just a comment. BejinhanTalk 12:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a bit skeptical about the psychic sea creature. Wasn't quite prescient enough to see the blokes who put him in the tank coming, was he? eh? - Begoon (talk) 12:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'd be more impressed with Paul if he'd predicted that I'd be quite interested in his predictions. As it is, I predict that Paul will be little more than a flash in the pan... TFOWR 12:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- Well quite. With his noted connections to the uncanny, and interconnectedness of all things, he should probably be a little concerned that the next link to pop up in my watchlist after your message was quite literally: Masterchef Australia...After all, he may have outlived his usefulness now - and that may be the best Guest Star gig he can get. - Begoon (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'd be more impressed with Paul if he'd predicted that I'd be quite interested in his predictions. As it is, I predict that Paul will be little more than a flash in the pan... TFOWR 12:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
not Scout stuff ;)
Can you take a look at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop#Italian Social Republic, again, and see if this might interest you? File:Coat of Arms of the Italian Social Republic.svg needs redrawn as gold, the "owner" of the crude earlier version is being testy. Can you help? Thank you either way, as always!--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 02:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Done - Begoon (talk) 08:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. I meant the guy who drew the original crude rendition on Commons, when we uploaded the Graphics Lab version over it, he reverted so we had to create a second file to work around him. Then he provided a pointer to [1], which his image looks nothing like. All are artists' renditions, he has not provided an actual photograph from a public building or a passport or anything, yet insists his is somehow "more correct" and brings in his buddies to votestack, without a shred of real evidence. Just a tiny mind with ownership issues.--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Ah - ok. I uploaded the new version here and at Commons anyway :) I was surprised how well that eagle coloured just with a bit of a gradient fill. Incidentally, why are the stripes in the Italian flag reversed? - Begoon (talk) 12:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. I meant the guy who drew the original crude rendition on Commons, when we uploaded the Graphics Lab version over it, he reverted so we had to create a second file to work around him. Then he provided a pointer to [1], which his image looks nothing like. All are artists' renditions, he has not provided an actual photograph from a public building or a passport or anything, yet insists his is somehow "more correct" and brings in his buddies to votestack, without a shred of real evidence. Just a tiny mind with ownership issues.--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- That is a good question, everyone who sees any variant asks why they are reversed. Yours is beautiful. If you are interested, the argume... discussion is at Commons:Deletion requests/File:CoA of the RSI.svg.--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 18:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah - that's a fun discussion. Takes all sorts, I guess. - Begoon (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Incredibly fun. Can you trim away some of the excess blank spacing?--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:27, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- done - Begoon (talk) 06:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, can you crop the Commons one too? I don't know why there are still duplicate images, that is problematic.--Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- I've downloaded the en version, and uploaded it to Commons - so that they are identical. If the files don't absolutely checksum as identical they won't delete the en version, I think - Begoon (talk) 19:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, you rock, and thank you for being a great sounding board. Hope your leg's better.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
![[1]](http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/765/rsimauser002cr9.jpg){kind=link}
Vandalism
Hello. You deleted what I wrote. I took time out of my day to contribute to Wikipedia, and you deleted it, thinking it was a promotion. You are incorrect. I wrote it then added a link to a relevent website. I don't know whose website it is, but since others commonly link to useful sources of more info, I do as well. If you think the site is spammy, remove the link, but don't delete my contribution. I don't need to attribute the information to anything, because I lived there 20 years with first hand knowledge. That info did not come from the external link. What I wrote is an obvious missing piece to anyone who is familiar with the area, and that's why I wrote it. Don't vandalize my writings again. --Mkcas (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yes you absolutely do need to attribute what you write. Begoon very clearly and gently explained on your talkpage why he removed what he did, and then went on to try and guide you in your griping. Others will not be so gentle. Had it been me, I'd try to get you blocked for spamming. Begoon is one of the nicest editors here, you clearly are more my ballpark.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello Mkcas. Thanks for the message. Please be careful when you accuse other editors of vandalism. Some will take offence - especially when they have taken the time to carefully explain their actions. Fortunately, I realise that this is more a case of your feeling ownership of what you contributed, and disappointed that it wasn't quite appropriate. I understand that - we've all been there. Anyway, as it transpires, another editor has been good enough to take the time to remove the promotional tone from the content which you reinserted, so the problem seems to be solved. I replied further on your talk page. Begoontalk 07:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Request for Adminship
But I like those juicebags!
They're so handy in a backpack, and for kids on the go! Only thing is, if the plastic is too hard, the straw is a bear to push through and then it makes a big mess. On second thought, no, scratch that, I hate those juicebags!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yes - I think the lovely little guy must have got his terminology mixed up, or mistyped something he heard somewhere - never mind. Not forgotten your images - just busy, busy this week - Begoon (talk) 11:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- I never think the worst (anymore), I just watch so you don't get those kneejerk speedy-dels like you were getting when you first started helping us, and that outburst made me laugh. Wish I could share some of the cool little cultural giggles I get here, but it took me two years to understand how some of these things are funny. My kids are subversively funny, and I am just now learning it. And adorably cute, if the Japanese ever want to try to take over again, Hello Kitty will be leading the forefront.
- Leg better?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- I've got about 1000 page watchlist, so I revert vandalism if it pops up, and I do housekeeping edits on those pages for things like spam links and POV editing, plus grammar and such-like. So, inevitably, once in a while, one of our less articulate brethren will choose to express displeasure at my actions in that fashion. In this case it was pure vandalism, leading to a block, that sparked the comment. The leg is a bit better, thanks, but I heal more slowly these days - still swollen and painful. I'll be taking it to bed in an hour or so. - Begoon (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- I must be bitter-you say brethren, I don't count them in the same species anymore. Did you see the South Park movie where the little boy is chipped so when he says a curseword, he gets an electroshock? Wikipedia should have a vandalproof system like that. Three years ago my local newspaper interviewed me about editing the Wikipedia, I said about 40% of my time was reverting vandalism. Ah, those halcyon days...--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- I try to assume they have good intentions until they prove absolutely otherwise. Often it's a case of a younger editor not understanding why someone deleted or altered the text they thought was a masterpiece, and reacting in a less than social way. On the other hand, I'm not saying that I completely disapprove of your idea. There does, arguably, come a point where it would be advantageous both to the encyclopedia and (in the long run) the user if a chip could be devised to achieve that. Perhaps a more humane chip alternative would start with giving them an inexplicable aversion to cheetos, then graduate through discovery of real girls to a vague urge to travel - finally administering the shock as a last resort? I don't know - just rambling... :) Begoontalk 19:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
- Begoon for President 2012! I love it!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for having my back. That is the weirdest persistent IP in a long time.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- You're welcome - Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/200.234.49.79 pertains... Begoontalk 05:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for having my back. That is the weirdest persistent IP in a long time.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- I had independently created one, since yours is better, I tagged them for merge.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, I wondered whether to search for another one first, but didn't in the end - obviously should have - I'm sure it won't hurt. Begoontalk 21:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Archiving talkpage
Also, how did you get the bot to automatically archive your talkpage? --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
You can put something like this at the top of your talkpage:
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{talkarchivenav}}
|maxarchivesize = 70K
|counter = 1
|minthreadsleft = 0
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(30d)
|archive = User talk:Begoon/Archive %(counter)d
}}That archives any conversation inactive for 30 days (30d) to a sequential series of pages called User_talk:Begoon/Archive_1, User_talk:Begoon/Archive_2 etc... It starts a new Archive when the current one reaches 70k in size. If you don't want a section archived automatically, you can put something like:
<!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 00:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC) -->
right under the relevant section heading. Then I used
{{archive box | image= [[Image:Vista-file-manager (blue).png|45px]]| style=background-color:#F9F9F9; border-color:#AAAAAA; | auto=long | search=no}}to put the linky Archivey thing on the page. - There's full docs at User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo and Template:Archive box.
In reality, I guess I did it cos I can - I'm a programmer/web-developer by trade, so I like to play with these things to see how they work :-) - Begoon (talk) 14:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- ...and thank you! It's bedtime soon for me. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Removal of content at Mecca
Hi, Whenever you feel like commenting on my edit in a particular article, please use that Discussion page and use talk back option if you need to remind me. Please don't use my talk page for article discussions.
I have clearly mentione in my comment, the reasons for removal. Could you please make clear what sense does it make to the article? 11:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasifwasif (talk • contribs)
- Hello.
- Please sign your posts, that way I don't need to look in the edit history to see who is commenting, Thanks.
- Your original edit summary said: "This piece of info has nothing to do with Makkah's tradition. Can include somewhere." That doesn't make any sense, because it isn't an article on "tradition" - it's an article on Mecca. The information is about Archaeology in Mecca, and it's in a section called "Archaeology", in the article on Mecca. It has a source, and is perfectly valid - therefore should not have been removed. Now you've drawn my attention to it again I see it needs a copy edit for grammar, so I'll do that now - the errors in English are no reason for removal either, though - I'm sure you understand that not everyone can type perfect English.
- Your second edit summary said "Anonymous!! Pls discuss before reverting. Thats for we have talk page". First of all, that might imply that you are giving less weight to an anonymous editor, which is wrong. There is certainly no reason for removal in that comment, and there was no talk page discussion - which I expected to see after this second revert and that edit summary.
- What I left on your talk page was a warning template. Standard procedure is to leave those on a user's talk page. In this case it was a warning not to repeatedly remove sourced content without a valid explanation.
- The edit summary on your talk page where you removed:
- The warning I left, and
- The comment from the editor whose content you removed, quite reasonably asking you for a good reason,
- says: "Replied in the user's talk page and article page". At this point I see no comment concerning this on Talk:Mecca or on the other editor's talk page.
- I hope that's a little clearer for you, now Begoontalk 12:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
They're out today...
My talkpage must have turned orange 20 times today... grr.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
- LOL. I particularly like: [2]. Probably his little brother, or the dog, or something, poor victimised soul that he is.... Begoontalk 12:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Afghanistan
2 sections combined for archiving - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Ahmed_shahi for resolution
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Hi, the section "foreign relations and military" is biased and poorly written. There is too much anti-Pakistan, pro-Iran and pro-Indian view in it. The "foreign relations" in this case are the diplomatic government to government relations, it has nothing to do with language, culture and prior history before the creation of the states. I mean if 1000s of years ago the people spoke the same language and practiced a similar culture this is irrelevant for foreign relations. If you look at this and this, then you see that there are some problems between Afghanistan and Iran. The article tries to ignore this. It's a fact that Iran's government charges every Afghan $100 per one month visa, and I can provide many citations but I think something like that doesn't need it. It's also a fact that Pakistan's visas are totally free to Afghans, meaning the Pakistani government is not cruel as the radical Shia Iran. Afghans are one of the most poorest people in the world and mentioning that Iran charges them $100 per monthly visa in that section is relevant, it's to show the true relations. You want a citation to explain that Iran is run by radical Shias? If Taliban are labelled in the section as radical Sunnis then Iran should also be labelled the same way, as a radical Shia. See Iran#Government_and_politics You also reverted my correcting of the Afghanistan–Pakistan Skirmishes, which was only one case that happened in May 2007 due to the poorly-marked Durand Line border, but the section is saying Since 2007, Afghan and Pakistani forces have been involved in a number of border skirmishes.--119.73.7.124 (talk) 15:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Your name mentionedHi, I just thought of letting you know that you are mentioned by Ariana310 at here and here--119.73.1.34 (talk) 09:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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Oman and Gwadar
I see you managed to find the new location after I refactored my sandboxes and failed to let you know ;-)
Good work on the draft - I'm struggling to see what further work really needs done. I've added a couple of refs, wikilinked "wali" and done some minor copy-editing, but can't really improve further on your work. Ideally we'd find a cite for the 1955 "Makran" claim, and I'll have a dig later. It's a huge improvement on what currently exists, though, and I'd suggest we could push in into Oman very soon. TFOWR 08:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Well my watchlist told me it moved, since I'd already edited there. :-) I agree, it's probably good enough to put in now. At least it's hopefully understandable and won't make people's heads explode like mine did when I first read the original text. It can always be improved "in situ". And it's not "my work" - I couldn't even understand it until you pulled those refs and notes into your sandbox. Begoontalk 09:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I take exception to your edit summary...
...here ;-) You wrote it, I merely typed a few search terms into Google... Good work, by the way - I'm glad that's finally done, I've been feeling more and more guilty about the length of time it had been sitting in my sandbox! TFOWR 13:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Heh, I really should have continued the thread two up from this one, rather than cluttering up your talkpage with a new thread... sorry!
- Anyway, apropos of the Gwadar stuff, I asked a friend (Truthkeeper88 (talk · contribs)) for advice on referencing and cites, and they've gone crazy with Oman! ;-) All good stuff, lots of MOS fixes which I really should have done long ago. Anyway... there's a thread on my talkpage where we discuss Oman-related things (I mention this because I mention you there, and you might find it interesting anyway). TFOWR 07:15, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Re: User:Ariana310
lol No, I wasn't confused by your note. Actually, I wanted to post that note to your page, but I have no idea how I ended up on his page !! (I'm still thinking on it haha.) Thanks for reminding me. :) Ariana (talk) 09:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
- No problem. We posted next to each other at the ANI thread, so maybe you were looking at that, and clicked the wrong link? Doesn't matter, anyway - everyone said what they wanted to say, and everyone who needed to read it did read it. Plus we had a bit of fun and giggles chasing each other around talk pages. It's all good... Thanks for the reply. Begoontalk 09:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
IP problem
We are what we say... in here we can be anyone...
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I feel quite ready to file in a notice at WP:AN/I about the IP adding in the wikisource link. He has changed tactic and has now added the link to the etymology section. I don't know if you want that request to be reverted because it is not outright blatantly wrong and he can argue that the agreement could be a ref there. What do you think? If I revert him, I will definitely go to WP:AN/I about it. BejinhanTalk 09:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Talked to couple of people in the IRC help channel and an admin has semi-protected the page. :) BejinhanTalk 06:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll tell you what I think about that later :) All I'll say for now is that I'm glad he's actually reading this - I had hoped he was, and was fairly certain - otherwise I really was wasting my time. Begoontalk 13:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
continued...I don't know whether you're interested in pursuing this or not, but wikisource links generally do not make reliable sources(they are primary sources) and there might be a little problem with the link in that article. Just a thought. I'll probably remove it sooner or later because of my planned GA-nom sometime later. Bejinhan talks 10:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Bumiputra/National Language of Malaysia==> moved to Talk:Malaysia#Bumiputra/National Language of Malaysia |