User talk:BBAhistorian

November 2015

Hello, I'm BusterD. I noticed that you made a change to an article, William T. Anderson, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. BusterD (talk) 03:35, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Brushy Bill Books Advocates: Alias Billy the Kid, C. L. Monnichsen & William V. Morrison, 1955 Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same, William A. Tunstill, 1988 Billy the Kid: Killed in New Mexico --- Died in Texas, Dr. Jannay Valdez & Judge Bobby Hefner, 1995 The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid, W. C. Jameson & Frederic Bean, 1997 The Real Billy the Kid AKA: Brushy Bill Roberts, Brett L. Hall, 2004 Billy the Kid: Beyond the Grave, W. C. Jameson, 2005 Billy the Kid: The lost Interviews, W. C. Jameson Billy the Kid: An Autobiography: Daniel A. Edwards, 2014

Skeptics: Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, Jim Johnson, 2006 Billy the Kid’s Pretenders, Brushy Bill & John Miller, Gale Cooper, 2010 Brushy Bill…..Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale, Roy Haws, 2015

Advocates have not proved that Billy the Kid was alive after 14 July 1881, and that William Henry Roberts was not Oliver P. Roberts, son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson. Brushy Bill is an impostor unless both of those conditions are met. Even then, there are numerous flaws in the story.

The genealogy and life story of Brushy Bill Roberts were reviewed in 2005 and 2015. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, Jim Johnson, 2006; Brushy Bill…..Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale, Roy Haws, 2015) If the findings are true, Brushy Bill was born in 1879, the son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, Jim Johnson, 2006 , p. 90; Brushy Bill…..Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale, Roy Haws, 2015. p.41)

Some notable discrepancies in Brushy Bill’s story:

Brushy Bill said Martha Heath was his cousin. (Alias Billy the Kid, p. 99) Martha Vada Roberts Heath was the half-sister of Oliver P. Roberts. (Brushy Bill…..Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale, pp. 7-8, 16)

Brushy Bill said his stepmother was Elizabeth Ferguson. (Alias Billy the Kid, p. 33) Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson was the mother of Oliver P. Roberts. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, p. 14)

Brushy Bill said he was in Texas with his father from sometime in 1872 until May 1874. (Alias Billy the Kid, pp. 33-34) Henry McCarty was a witness at the marriage of Catherine McCarty and William Antrim in Santa Fe. (Book A Marriages, Santa Fe County, NM, pp. 35-36)

Brushy Bill said he met Jesse Evans about 1870 or 1871 in Silver City. (Alias Billy the Kid, p. 40) Catherine McCarty, Brushy Bill’s step-aunt was in Wichita, Kansas, until 1871. (Billy the Kid: The Trail of a Kansas Legend, pp.7-8) Catherine McCarty and William Antrim were married in Santa Fe in 1873 before moving to Silver City. (Wikipedia, Billy the Kid)

Brushy Bill said Celsa and Pat Garrett’s wife were sisters of Saval Guiterrez, and that Celsa was one of his sweethearts. (Alias Billy the Kid, p. 74)

Celsa was the wife, not the sister, of Saval Guiterrez.  (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, p. 56)  (1880 NM Census, San Miguel County , Sabal & Celsa Guitierres had a 3 year old daughter, Mauricia.)

Brushy Bill said that he went to Mexico about 1907, and left Mexico in 1914. (Alias Billy the Kid, p. 90) Brushy Bill said he married Mollie Brown, and the Van Zandt County marriage license shows Oliver Roberts and Mollie Brown were married 21 August 1912. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, p. 56)

Some notable omissions in Brushy Bill’s story: Brushy Bill named wives Mollie Brown, Louticia Ballard, and Malinda Allison. (Alias BTK, p. 90) Brushy Bill did not mention his marriage to Anna Lee in 1909, and divorce in 1910. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, pp. 110-114)

Henry McCarty killed Frank Cahill. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, pp. 19-20) Brushy Bill did not mention that he killed Frank Cahill 17 August 1877 in Arizona. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, pp. 19-20)

Brushy Bill never mentioned his stepfather, William Antrim. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, p. 86)

Brushy Bill referred to his half aunt as Bonney, and never as McCarty, although her name had been Catherine McCarty since at least 1870. (Billy the Kid: The Trail of a Kansas Legend, pp.7-8)

Brushy Bill did not mention Joseph Antrim, although Henry McCarty and Joseph McCarty grew up together. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, p. 86)

Brushy Bill never mentioned living in Wichita, Kansas, although he lived there for almost two years. (Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was, p. 86)

Advocates believe that Brushy Bill's detailed knowledge of the Lincoln County war was a result of Brushy Bill's presence in Lincoln County. There is circumstantial evidence that Brushy Bill's knowledge of Billy the Kid and the Lincoln County war was acquired from published literature. Some flaws in his story are the same mistakes made by Pat Garrett and Walter Noble Burns. Facts published about Billy the Kid's life after Brushy Bill's death that Brushy failed to mention include the names of and marriage and marriage date of William Antrim and Catherine McCarty in 1873, first published in 1955, and the years spent in Wichita, Kansas, first published in 1964.

Anderson

You can't just insert statements into Featured-class biography articles without citation. If you are so certain about these facts, then you should have no trouble linking to source material which supports your assertions. Several editors have spent much time bringing this article up to its current state and by inserting unsourced information, you are making it worse, not better, even if your assertions are true. You need to take this to the talk page of the article so these edits can be discussed and so you can get a fair hearing for your statements. I'm not at all saying what you've inserted is not true; I'm saying that inserting uncited material in this mature pagespace will not pass muster. If you need help with the citation style, I and others can help. If you continue to insert without discussion, it's likely you'll be accused of edit warring, and be blocked. BusterD (talk) 04:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Buster D, Lieut. William T. Anderson and Miss Bush Smith were married 3 March 1864 by M. Y. Brockett, Minister of God. Reference: BBAhistorian (talk)BBA Historian

Thanks for engaging, BBAhistorian. Wikipedia prefers secondary sources instead of primary sources for several reasons. Please read WP:IRS. Your contribution is, I'll concede, compelling. The best place to discuss this, is however, at the talk page for the article. I've created a thread where the subject can be evaluated and consensus can be measured. Do you have an online link for the marriage license? BusterD (talk) 01:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Wow. Please accept my apology. You have presented me with a quandary. I hold to the policies and guidelines of the pedia. However, your evidence is pretty strong. Please hang in the discussion at the talk page. BusterD (talk) 01:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

November 2015

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Brushy Bill Roberts, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:23, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

April 2016

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Billy the Kid, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)