User talk:B.stegmayer

Milovan Destil Marković

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for creating the article Milovan Destil Marković. I have one question about the article though. I've read the lead section, and it is very hard to understand for people who are not well versed in art terminology. Probably the majority of our readers belongs to this group. Could you explain to me, in everyday words, what the following means? "In his recent work Marković investigates the possibilities and challenges as well as the limits of visual representation in general, but is primarily concerned with the role of the close-up, which tends to draw attention to the politics of representation involved in the production of visibility and invisibility of the human face. Both of these productions are socially conditioned and socially performed. Moreover, as often as not, they are produced in/by public space, where the “ideal face” may be used for fulfilling ideological, propaganda or market purposes." And if possible, could you rewrite the lead section in such a way that it avoids such jargon? Other than that, I welcome you again to Wikipedia. If you have any questions about how to contribute, or how it works over here, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. A ecis^Brievenbus 23:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to respond and to edit the lead section of the article. I'm not sure it's that much clearer though. What is confusing is imo the choice of words, not so much the length of the sentences. For someone who knows art terminology (I don't know if you belong to that group), words and concepts like "the possibilities and challenges as well as the limits of visual representation in general", "the politics of representation involved in the production of visibility and invisibility of the human face" and "socially conditioned and socially performed" are probably easy to understand. But for someone who doesn't know such terms, they will only add to the confusion. I think it's best to ask the WikiProject Arts for input. In the meantime, I will create Milovan Destil Markovic and De Stil Marković as redirects to Milovan Destil Marković. A ecis^Brievenbus 12:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked the members of the WikiProject Arts for their input, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arts#Milovan Destil Marković. A ecis^Brievenbus 13:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've come to the article from WikiProject Visual Arts. The problem stems from subjective and evaluative comments being mixed up with the main facts being asserted. "In his recent work Marković investigates the possibilities and challenges as well as the limits of visual representation in general, but is primarily concerned with the role of the close-up," for instance, once the evaluative language is removed, becomes, "He paints close-ups of faces." The basic principles of writing articles are stick to the facts, and give references. I'll hold off cleaning up the article myself - perhaps you would like to do it!--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Have edited the section and moved the material in question to a place where it seems more understandable. The latest book published on the artist should make the section clear, and so should the context of the longer description of his recent works - I think. He does not paint close-ups. He researches and is conceptual in a way such that he does NOT paint close-ups. Still they are part of his work process. Obviously the section didn't make that clear at the place where I put it though and I hope that it will now be better to understand the comment where it is. Thanks all for your help! B.stegmayer (talk) 17:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what I wrote about the section was not about its location in the article, but about the content. Could you explain to me in everyday language what "the possibilities and challenges as well as the limits of visual representation" are? What "the politics of representation" is? What "the production of visibility and invisibility of the human face" is? What "socially conditioned and socially performed" productions are? A ecis^Brievenbus 00:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]