User talk:Author51
Some conversations with Lipsticked Pig
[edit]POV-pushing of, example, John Fiorentino. Flooding that section with footnotes, all from the ARAP-advocacy site, does not increase the validity of the information. Fiorentino (and most of the Donaldson section, which I wrote) have to go unless better sourcing can be provided.
Again, Mr. Pig makes hasty and incorrect judgments. First, his assertion that ALL of the references provided, or "footnotes" were "all from the ARAP-advocacy site" is simply garbage. References were (re: the critical statements) to FOIA documents obtained by Ray Lahr, through his lawsuit vs. NTSB, et al. The public dissemination of said information was accomplished on Aug. 24, 2007, in the form of a Press Release written by myself. The "flooding" of the section with footnotes relates solely to the mention of numerous articles I have written on the subject. The fact that most are on the ARAP site is irrelevant. Author51 10:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I would also ask Mr. Pig, since I have been accused of "POV-pushing" if he has any idea what my "POV" is on this subject? There was no POV-pushing, unless you consider FACTS derived from an official government document as POV-pushing. Author51 14:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Removed a series of paragraphs added by Author51 and MissileTWA800. Their references were to a missile advocacy website, and a research website which Author51 himself says he penned on his user page. I believe this is more than sufficient to say that this stands as original research and should be left out of this article. Paragraphs removed reference http://hometown.aol.com/missiletwa800/ (advocacy) or from http://www.fiorentinoresearch.com/ (penned by Author51). Please see WP:OR, which explains this in detail.
Again, more fluff. The references included a Press Release, which I indeed did pen, and a reference to an FBI document obtained through the FOIA. Perhaps the FBI qualifies as "unreliable." I think you might explain how an official FBI document obtained through the FOIA doesn't qualify as an "exceptional source." Author51 14:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Let me provide the source documents HERE for all to reference. This pertains to the new evidence which I posted, and was so hastily removed without merit. I hope everyone here has an open mind. First, the NEW evidence: [18] and the initial evidence released by FBI to Capt. Lahr: If you wish to wade through the 585pgs. as I did please be my guest. The new evidence was intially sent to Lahr completely Redacted and can be referenced here [19] Because I am not an unreasonable person, I will save you the trouble of wading through 585pgs. The relevant info. is labeled as: 144-145 and can be found on pgs. 190 and 191 of the pdf. Author51 16:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Also very relevant to this discussion are the policies regarding reliable sources:
The entire section concerning WP:RS#Aspects of reliability but especially WP:RS#Exceptional claims require exceptional sources WP:RS#Original research is not a reliable source WP:RS#Self-published sources (online and paper) Skybunny 13:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] I forked it
I think this was long overdue, the article was far too long and the only way to expand, for instance, alternative theories on TWA 800 was a fork. So now there is a TWA Flight 800 alternative theories page. Please see various 9/11-related pages (September 11, 2001 attacks vs. 9/11 conspiracy theories) or the John F. Kennedy assassination page as an example of how this is the accepted way to deal with, no offence intended, conspiracy theories.
Frankly, I have no problem with your "forking" the article. What I do have a problem with is your bias toward red penciling eveything with which you don't agree. Your reference above to "conspiracy theories" is rather humorous. Or, at least your positioning me on the "alternative theories" section. The only things I have posted were news items backed by irrefutable documentation. I never gave any opinion as the cause of the 800 disaster, sans my comments about calling for a Congressional Investigation. As for the JFK assassination example, I am the author of a forthcoming book on the subject entitled: "Return to Reason" which includes an introduction by Dr. J.K. Lattimer (if you haven't heard of me, perhaps you've heard of him?). It's a NON-CONSPIRACY book, the subtitle of which is "Evidence of Disguise and Deception by the Critics of the Warren Report" How odd you would place ME in the conspiracy section of TWA800. It's one thing to want verification for theories, and another to ignore evidence which doesn't suit your taste. Author51 18:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
You have YET to address my recent citations re: new evidence. Author51 17:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)