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September 2019

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Information icon Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Warrowen massacre, from its old location at User:Austhistory99/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. -Liancetalk/contribs 16:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Joseph Birdsell with Kongkandji tribe member, Mona Mona Mission, near Kuranda, North Queensland, in 1938.jpg

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Request reason:

I am not sure why my account AustHistory99 has been blocked? - please advise what I need to do or comply with to have it unblockedAusthistory99 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

This account is not directly blocked. If you are unable to edit, please follow the instructions which appear when you attempt to do so. Yamla (talk) 11:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Warrowen massacre has been accepted

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Missvain (talk) 16:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of Interest

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Information icon Hello, Austhistory99. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Dark Emu and Bruce Pascoe, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Bacondrum (talk) 00:54, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of Draft:Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence

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Draft:Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Draft:Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Rob (talk) 01:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

blanked section

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Hello, I have blanked a section on the linked talk page. Please be very careful about making defamatory unsourced claims. Even when sourced, you have to be careful of your tone, talking about a living person, and may not attack a subject of an article (or anybody). You are welcome to contribute to Wikipedia. But, if the main reason you're here is to attack certain people or press a hateful POV, you are likely to be blocked. --Rob (talk) 01:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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ANI Notice

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Propose deletion - Warrowen massacre

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Proposed deletion of Warrowen massacre

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The article Warrowen massacre has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Nominate for deletion. Relies almost entirely on primary sources. These are sensational, colonial accounts, the language used in these primary sources demonstrates a strong bias and profound racism, secondary sources are needed. The office of the Protector of Aborigines is certainly not a reliable source in this context. Boro Boro Willum, for example may not have existed at all, I can find no other source that mentions this tribe or one with a similar name, it's likely a colonial fiction.

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Nomination of Warrowen massacre for deletion

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October 2020

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Information icon Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Massacre of Running Waters, from its old location at User:Austhistory99/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. Nathan2055talk - contribs 05:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Massacre of Running Waters (October 29)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Snowycats was:
Very large direct quotes are used. We don't need those.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Massacre of Running Waters has been accepted

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COI and defamation

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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Bacondrum 11:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indefinite block

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El_C 14:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Austhistory99 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I apologise if I unintentionally appeared to have done a disruptive edit - In the case in point I (along with some other editors) feel that the Dark Emu article would be improved if a recently published, very reputable academic paper from a third party, who has his own Wikipedia article Ian Keen, and to which I have no affiliation, was referenced in some way. We feel that there is strong push-back by some editors to the inclusion of a reference to Dr Keen's work as he is critical of the Dark Emu thesis. I am interested in the topic of Dark Emu and do run a private, amateur non-commercial website, but I do now understand that I need to be careful not to allow any COI to occur and will be mindful of this going forward. I have only been editing the Talk page of Dark Emu not the main article and am happy for another editor to add the final agreed additions to the main page. I have successfully created two other Wikipedia pages, one of which Warrowen massacre was listed for AfD by it appears this same editor who has applied for my blocking for serious COI. His AfD was ultimately declined as it was found to have no basis and my article was strongly supported by many other editors. I value, and financially contribute to, Wikipedia and feel Wikipedia would be losing out on some valuable future additions I have planned if I was permanently blocked. Austhistory99 (talk) 21:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I will not unblock you to continue editing/discussing Bruce Pascoe and Dark Emu, due to your clear conflict of interest. Wikipedia articles should be developed by disinterested editors who have no conflict of interest. If you make an unblock request in which you commit not to touch the subjects of Bruce Pascoe and Dark Emu, and instead to work only on unrelated subjects, another administrator might consider that more favourably. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:42, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Courtesy link to ANI discussion that lead to block
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Request reason:

Your reason here : OK, I agree to not touch the subjects of Bruce Pascoe and Dark Emu and will only work on unrelated subjects Austhistory99 (talk) 3:39 am, 17 February 2021, Wednesday (21 days ago) (UTC−6)

Decline reason:

This does not address the WP:NOTHERE issues raised at ANI. signed, Rosguill talk 06:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Looking carefully at this:

and in particular comments they have posted under the username MungoMann, where they make it clear they were colluding with User:PetroAntonio to push a particular POV: "We on the Centre-right appear to be losing the day-to-day ‘cultural-war’ because we have real, fruitful lives and don’t spend mind-numbing hours on the keyboard ‘re-writing history and ‘the narrative’, like our Progressive-Left opponents do. Nevertheless, if we have some spare time it is worthwhile lobbing into Wikipedia ( the Oracle of the Progressive Left!) some real history from time to time. In the long run it will help our cause in the cultural wars. Today Wikipedia approved my entry on the Aboriginal inter-tribal Massacre of Running Waters." They've never fully owned up to much of their disruptive behavior: https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/09/something-wiki-this-way-comes/ they should remain indef blocked, their behavior here and offwiki has been blatantly agenda driven. If they are to be merely topic banned then that should be broadly construed to include all topics relating to Australian politics IMO, or at the very least Aboriginal Australians and the Australian culture wars, at the very least. Though I think their behavior here has been so far beyond the pale that they should remain indef blocked. Bacondrum 10:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence

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User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Bacondrum 20:49, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This page I have in draft User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence should NOT be deleted. Scholarship on this topic is a valid area of research. For example a book [1]has recently been published by Christophe Darmangeat a lecturer at the University of Paris which has received high praise from academics around the world such as :
Editorial Reviews (See :

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P3ZWWNS/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0 )

This is the first comprehensive study of the literature on the roles of collective violence in classical Aboriginal Australia. . . . Justice and Warfare in Aboriginal Australia makes a most useful addition to the anthropological literature on Australian society as it was before conquest by the British Empire. The nature of that society has recently come under considerable social media debate and public discussion in Australia. This book is thus a very timely contribution to our understanding of the past. -- Peter Sutton, South Australian Museum

For over a century anthropologists have sought to counter ethnocentric and unilineal evolutionary views of Australian hunter-gatherer societies by emphasizing their sophisticated environmental knowledge, efficacious socio-political organization, and complex cosmology. Embedded in this approach has been a tacit acceptance by the vast majority of anthropologists that pre-European Australia was a continent of peace where conflict was solved solely through cooperation and avoidance. This view has had a profound impact on the study of the origins of violence and warfare in human history. A handful of scholars have reevaluated this assumption through consideration of evidence from archaeology, oral tradition, history, ethnography, and material culture. This book, however, is the first comprehensive analysis of this material. Darmangeat assembles detailed evidence for violence and warfare among Australian foragers through the critical lens of a Marxist perspective. Particularly valuable is his emphasis on placing conflict within the context of traditional justice systems. The result is a vital and long overdue contribution to the study of the origins of violence and warfare among hunter-gatherers.

-- Mark W. Allen, California State Polytechnic University at Pomona

Until the first English settlement in 1788, the Australian continent was solely inhabited by hunter-gatherers whose social life mirrored human history for 95% of our existence. Darmangeat’s Justice and Warfare in Aboriginal Australia is the richest and most comprehensive source of eye-witnessed violence ranging from simple assault to feud and warfare ever compiled for the continent. As such, the accounts therein are central for our understanding the origins of organized violence. Just as importantly, his theoretically informed classification of collective violence is a valuable guide for researchers.

-- Raymond Hames, University of Nebraska-Lincoln

Christophe Darmangeat has produced an exhaustive volume on traditional Aboriginal Australian justice and warfare. I opened the book with trepidation because the topic is fraught with problems of politics, definition, interpretation, bias, prejudice and missing data. But I was pleasantly surprised to find all the issues were tackled head on with a very readable forensic analysis. This methodical book is fascinating to read and an excellent record that questions many past assumptions about hunter-gatherer lifeways. -- Paul S. C. Taçon, Griffith University

The subject of Australian Aboriginal warfare – whether Aborigines went to war and if so how and why – has become a vital issue in scholarship on the origins of human warfare. In Justice and Warfare in Aboriginal Australia, Christophe Darmangeat has made an enormously valuable contribution by assembling a large database of widely scattered reports on Aboriginal violence, evaluating this evidence, and discussing its implications for current research on war and its origins.

-- Paul "Jim" Roscoe, University of Maine --This text refers to the hardcover edition. About the Author

It appears that the editor Bacondrum who raised this request for deletion may be not acting in good faith. It appears he has gone through all my Wikipedia additions and is attempting to delete them because he/she claims '...this draft was clearly created as an attack on Aboriginal Australians - It's essentially racist...'. I strenuously deny this charge. Some of my contributions have been saved by the intervention of other editors (see talk Warrowen massacre and Massacre of Running Waters who clearly see the value of these neutral contributions which are just recording aspects of Australian history as supported by the academics above. Except where other editors have come to the defence of my additions, I am unable to prevent deletion of all my other contributions to various pages over the past few years as Bacondrum has succeeded in having my account blocked, despite several applications to have my account unblocked.

It is very important for the reputation of Wikipedia's neutrality for another senior editor to review the blocking and deleting on my account and page contributions. If contributors like myself can't add documented, referenced and peer-reviewed third party information to Wikipedia there is not much point to Wikipedia then. Austhistory99 (talk) 22:12, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • The sources don't cease to exist just because this blatantly racist attack page does. If an editor who hasn't been blocked for pushing a racist agenda wants to use the sources to write a NPOV article nothing is stopping them. Bacondrum 23:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Title's like this "The Daily Threat of Violence in pre-Colonial and Colonial Australian Aboriginal Society" are so obviously loaded (and racist, in my opinion). "Violence in Modern Australian Aboriginal Society see Indigenous Australians and crime" it's so obviously contructed to malign Aboriginal people - bald faced racism. "a 30 to 40 year old Aboriginal male was excavated at Narrabeen in Northern Sydney in a dune near the coast having been killed by Death Spears" I'm sure a few people were speared to death in Europe over the years, the framing of this issue as it is presented here is simply loaded with racism. The entire draft article is cherry-picked and framed in the most negative way possible, blind-Freddy could see the racist agenda at play here. Bacondrum 23:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In answer to Bacondrum, you in my opinion are providing further evidence of Bad Faith. My article is only Draft phase and I cannot finish and edit because you have blocked me. The point that you raise that, "The Daily Threat of Violence in pre-Colonial and Colonial Australian Aboriginal Society" is 'racist' is wrong. This is much the same point made by other editors on other Wikipedia pages, for example see
Australian frontier wars in Wikipedia which basically states

Section = Traditional Aboriginal warfare , Aboriginal warrior "According to the historian John Connor, traditional Aboriginal warfare should be examined on its own terms and not by definitions of war derived from other societies. Aboriginal people did not have distinct ideas of war and peace, and traditional warfare was common, taking place between groups on an ongoing basis, with great rivalries being maintained over extended periods of time." It is not up to an editor like yourself to appoint yourself as a censor of our history, much of which is being added to Wikipedia by other editors who you have not cancelled (yet).Austhistory99 (talk) 23:53, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Given that the changes to the Dark Emu (book), Massacre of Running Waters, Warrowen massacre Wikipedia pages that I had been proposing for the past year and half, before I was blocked by some editors who disagreed, have now all finally been accepted, I think that my account should be unblocked. I am here in Wikipedia to build an encyclopaedic data base - There is a wealth of information regarding Australian colonial history which has yet to be referenced on Wikipedia. Very few contributors are working in these areas. I suggest that my in good faith contributions will add significantly to Wikipedias data base over a wide range of topics in this regardAusthistory99 (talk) 05:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You have not addressed the reasons for your original block and have blamed other people. Declined. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Darmangeat, Christophe (2020). Justice and Warfare in Aboriginal Australia. Lexington Books.
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