User talk:Aspenbear

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May 2020

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Big Valley District-Lake County AVA, from its old location at User:Aspenbear/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. KylieTastic (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Aspenbear, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your additions to Lake County wine have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 14:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Big Valley District-Lake County AVA has been accepted

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May 2021

Thank you for your contributions. It seems that you may have added public domain content to one or more Wikipedia articles, such as Happy Canyon of Santa Barbara AVA. You are welcome to import appropriate public domain content to articles, but in order to meet the Wikipedia guideline on plagiarism, such content must be fully attributed. This requires not only acknowledging the source, but acknowledging that the source is copied. There are several methods to do this described at Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain sources, including the usage of an attribution template. Please make sure that any public domain content you have already imported is fully attributed. Thank you. — Diannaa 🇨🇦 (talk) 13:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 2021

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. —valereee (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Aspenbear (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

using PD notice Aspenbear (talk) 21:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
the block is no longer necessary because you
1. understand what you have been blocked for,
2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. PhilKnight (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I understand the reason to be blocked and will correct the text in the draft

Decline reason:

Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

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2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 11:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, Aspenbear, thanks for checking in. Sorry, where on Draft:Eagle Foothills AVA are we mentioning that the information comes from a source in the public domain? —valereee (talk) 21:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PD notice is applied to Federal Register. Doesn't reference to cite information suffice? No pictures or illustrations were used. Regarding the AVA subjects, all information is public domain on the Federal Register. Questionable text can be modified to meet Wiki rules if the block is removed. Thanks.--Aspenbear (talk) 22:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The copyvio detector, on the face of things, suggests that the winesnw.com site was indeed used too much. A lot less seems to have come from the Register.

Honestly, this looks to me more like a case of perhaps well-intended but nonetheless overly close paraphrasing than wanton copyvio, especially when we are mindful of WP:LIMITED. Perhaps Aspenbear can tell us what he might do to fix it, once he has looked at how the Copyvio detector saw it and those pages? Daniel Case (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that's close para. Two gigantic chunks were copied wholsale from winesnw.com. —valereee (talk) 22:22, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the "two gigantic chunks", while they are composed of text from the source, are not verbatim runs (Read closely). The sentences were unchanged, but they were placed in a different order. This you often see with editors who were trying to avoid copyvio but didn't know well enough how. Daniel Case (talk) 05:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do see the places where that happened -- the portions that are from earlier in the source -- and I'm sure it's well-intentioned, but the paragraph beginning Using the federal government's TTB petition process is verbatim, followed by a change of a single letter (from hoped > hopes) and then another couple of sentences just cut/pasted, and if that was cut/pasted, there may be an earlier version that was pasted, published, then edited to move the earlier stuff around, which I think means we may need to revdel from an earlier version.

Aspenbear, the reason this is a problem is that I think it's possible this is enough copyvio that it can't simply be edited or rewritten, it may need WP:Revision deletion. There's also information at WP:COPYVIO. The bigger problem is that if this is something you've done on all your article creations, someone is going to have to go back and fix things there, too.

The problem with a cut/paste move from a non-free source is that the minute you hit publish, you've violated copyright, even if you immediately edit to change words, move stuff around, etc. The original pasting and saving of the source material is the copyvio, and that can't be fixed, it can only be completely removed. It's best to avoid cutting and pasting from other sources at all, even free sources, even into your own sandbox. Read the source, then come here and summarize in your own words.

I'm happy to unblock you if you'll promise you'll never cut/paste again to write an article. :) —valereee (talk) 09:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be the earliest version with a lot of text. Daniel Case (talk) 19:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Will edit article draft to qualify to Wiki standards after block is removed.--Aspenbear (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's all fixable and can be rewritten or edited. I will make the changes once I'm unblocked. Thanks.--Aspenbear (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC) Also Northwest text was copied from the Federal Register which is common with this topic. Next time, Can someone just 'talk' to me rather than issue a 'block'?--Aspenbear (talk) 22:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aspenbear, @Diannaa did talk to you about copyvio, twice above on May 24 and 30. Copyvio is something WP takes very seriously. I came here to talk, but then saw you'd had two previous warnings, and then discovered you'd created multiple other articles near the same topic, and I didn't want you to continue working as you were before we discussed. If you'll tell us you won't do any more cut/pasting, I'll unblock (or anyone else should feel free to, if they get here first.) —valereee (talk) 10:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I heeded those 'warnings' and do not 'cut and paste' into articles. If I echo specific info from a source, I reference the source which is allowable. I will firm up the 'Eagle Peak' draft to align with Wiki standards after the 'block' s removed. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspenbear (talk • contribs)

Aspenbear, I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm understanding. You seem to be saying none of this edit included a copy/paste from another site, even though the paragraph in question (starting with Using the federal government's TTB) seems to be identical? —valereee (talk) 20:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further review, this edit was simply a copy of the Infobox format to be used for another AVA article and not the text. Copying a similar format is okay since Infobox templates are a Wiki standard. Correct? The text was pasted from my Word document where I originally authored the article, hence, the block 'copy/paste' paragraphs. Nothing nefarious.--Aspenbear (talk) 23:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I created the draft months ago and have become more educated since then, therefore, I am willing to edit relevant articles to meet Wiki standards. The TTB text and info is public domain and I have inserted the 'PD notice' as suggested by another user for related AVA articles. Thanks, again for your feedback and making Wiki more informative.--Aspenbear (talk) 21:48, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So where was it copy/pasted from, then? —valereee (talk) 22:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

—valereee (talk), please note which blocks are copyvio in the 'Eagle Foothills Draft' that can be corrected. I used Strunk and White as a guide regarding direct quotes from references giving appropriate credit avoiding appearance of plagiarism or copyvio. @Diannaa introduced me to the PD notice since she found my use of TTB text in the articles which some may interpret as copyvios. Again, my actions were not meant as flagrant fouls to Wiki rules but will be tailored accordingly since this is a Draft we are discussing.--Aspenbear (talk) 18:57, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So where was it copy/pasted from? —valereee (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC

Happy Independence Day to everyone! Regarding “Eagle Foothills Draft”, I gather the construction in the “Unique AVA” text is questionable. My use of footnotes, quotes and verbiage are clearly from the TTB document and the Great Northwest Wine article that also reiterates the TTB announcement following similar format I used from Stunk and White’s “The Elements of Style” template used in academic circles. If the text of the article appears as ‘close paraphrasing’ than the attributed source can be explicitly included in the article. That is a satisfactory action according to published Wiki guidelines.--Aspenbear (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aspenbear, I am sorry to seem dense here, but I am not seeing the Great Northwest Wines language in the federal register source? Here's the comparison I'm seeing with the federal register: [1]. Here's the comparison I'm seeing with the Great Northwest Wines website: [2]. Are you talking about something different? Because to me it looks like the paragraphs I'm talking about were copied directly from the wine site.

If that's accurate, unfortunately it looks like the copyvio was introduced in the very first edit when the article was created from a copy of a similar article. I'm not sure whether it's a serious enough problem that this means we have to completely delete the draft and start over, so I've asked Diannaa at her talk for advice, as she's an expert.

I hope you had a good holiday! :) —valereee (talk) 14:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've cleaned the draft, removing the copied sections. Aspenbear, I don't know where you got the impression that close paraphrasing is allowed under Wikipedia guidelines or policies. It's not. Everything you add here should be written in your own words.— Diannaa (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Diannaa (talk). The fireworks were very good this year. Lost in translation: I never thought 'close paraphrasing' was allowed under the guidelines. Since Wiki is public, writers can interpret text to be and improve it to align closer to the guidelines which is agreeable rather than issue a block. Thanks again.--Aspenbear (talk) 00:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The patrolling administrator is under no obligation to re-write the copyright text for you. There's anywhere from 75 to 100 potential violations to be assessed each day. Since there's only a very small group of people working on copyright cleanup (less than five), it's not practical for us to do so.— Diannaa (talk) 00:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Diannaa (talk). Understood. I was referring to the general public. Nevertheless, I will do my part from now on. Thanks, again.--Aspenbear (talk) 01:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aspenbear, I'm not sure you do understand. You'll need to make it clear that you understand why copyvio is such a big problem that it was worth blocking you over and why we need to be sure you do understand. —valereee (talk) 20:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aspenbear, In order to lift the block, we need to be certain that you understand how copyright works on Wikipedia. Please respond to the following questions, explaining in your own words:

What is copyright?
How is Wikipedia licenced?
Why is copyrighted content not allowed on Wikipedia?
Under what circumstances can we use copyrighted content?
How do you intend to avoid violating the copyright policy in the future?

Your answers will enable us to establish whether or not you should be unblocked.— Diannaa (talk) 01:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Diannaa: I took a break for awhile. Here is my reply to your questions. I trust my response is satisfactory.

What is copyright?

A copyright is a protection giving an owner exclusive rights to their creative work for a limited time and fashion. The creative work or expression is intended to be protected but not the idea and facts.

How is Wikipedia licensed?

Wikipedia is licensed as free access regarding its content. It can be copied, modified, and distributed if a copied version is made available acknowledging the authors of the Wikipedia. Copied Wikipedia content remains free under an appropriate license and can continue to be used by anyone subject to certain restrictions. Basically, it is the same as free software.

Why is copyrighted content not allowed on Wikipedia?

Copyrighted content is not allowed on Wikipedia because it is licensed as a free access platform which may violate copyright licenses. Content is to remain free under an appropriate license to be used by anyone subject to certain restrictions.

Under what circumstances can we use copyrighted content?

Creative works copyrighted as ‘public domain’ can be used in Wiki articles such as public government documents.

Also a Wikipedia article can cite its sources linking to copyrighted material without permission of a copyright holder before linking to the copyrighted material. Likewise, Wikipedia is not restricted to linking only to CC BY-SA or open-source content.

How do you intend to avoid violating the copyright policy in the future?

To basically avoid any copyright infringement, the contributors should write the content themselves creating new work which can be included in Wikipedia. Facts and pertinent information can use footnotes, references and sources from copyrighted articles per Wiki rules to maintain the encyclopedia structure of the platform. Aspenbear (talk) 04:45, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the status of my 'unblock request' subsequent to my answers to your copyright questions? Thanks for your consideration.~ Aspenbear (talk) 05:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

I discussed the copyvio in the draft with editors and corrections were made. Therefore, I should be unblocked after noting the mistakes which will not occur again in my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspenbear (talk • contribs)

I've converted your unblock request here to a comment. You already have a request open above. ^{!ɘM γɿɘυϘ}⅃ϘƧ 18:28, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Looking forward to resolving this.--Aspenbear (talk) 04:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AB, I don't think you're going to get it resolved without answering Diannaa's questions. —valereee (talk) 11:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee, Howdy. FYI. I sent to @Diannaa my answers to her questions and awaiting a reply. Aspenbear (talk) 05:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Diannaa, What is the status regarding my 'unblock' request? Was my reply satisfactory?--Aspenbear (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You need to ask the blocking admin to review. That was —valereee. Some of your answers to the questions are incorrect. — Diannaa (talk) 18:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. I will make the request to @Valereee. Which answers were incorrect that I can further instruct myself? Thanks again. Aspenbear (talk) 21:44, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"What is copyright?" Your answer is partially correct. How can a copyright holder allow someone else to use/publish their work?
"How is Wikipedia licensed?" What specific license applies to Wikipedia? It is not at all the same as free software or free anything. "Licensed as free access" is an incorrect statement.
"Why is copyrighted content not allowed on Wikipedia?" This one is okay
"Under what circumstances can we use copyrighted content?" It's okay to use public domain material under specific circumstances. How can you tell if something is in the public domain? What special things do you have to do when you add public domain or licensed content to Wikipedia? The second paragraph of your answer doesn't make sense at all so I can't assess it very well.
"How do you intend to avoid violating the copyright policy in the future?" That answer is okay.— Diannaa (talk) 23:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Eagle Foothills AVA has been accepted

Eagle Foothills AVA, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.