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Speedy deletion nomination of Jeniva

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A tag has been placed on Jeniva requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Erpert (let's talk about it) 20:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

From Talk:Jeniva and User talk:Erpert

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Still gathering information on this band, do not delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anzi123 (talk • contribs)

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Information should be gathered before the band has an article. Please read WP:BAND. Erpert (let's talk about it) 21:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Enough information has now been provided on the page. If there is anything else needed on the page, tell me and I can add it. Two members from the band Jeniva are currently in a famous Japanese band, Matenrou Opera, that has just signed with a major music label (King Records (Japan)). The Jeniva page is needed to provide further information on Matenrou Opera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anzi123 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Information is one thing; reliable information is another. Erpert (let's talk about it) 23:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The information is reliable. "2007年春、ex.JenivaのVo苑とDr.悠を中心に結成。" Is a quote from Matenrou Opera's official site (http://opera.syncl.jp/) saying that the vocalist and Drummer are ex-Jeniva members. And Mantenrou Opera's site also states that they will be going major after this summer:

"今秋、メジャーデビュー決定！！

「――― メジャーデビューとかインディーズラストライブって聞くと、みんな距離を感じちゃうかもしれないけど、全国(ツアー)で言ってきたとおり、俺達摩天楼オペラとみんなは“摩天楼オペラ”っていう音楽で繋がってるから、その“摩天楼オペラ”って音楽を変えるようなことは絶対にしないです。みんなの好きな“摩天楼オペラ”でメジャーで勝負してきます―――」 2010.5.6「Birth of GENESIS」苑 (Vo)のＭＣより"

Therefore, the information I provided in the description is accurate.

The members and discography I listed for Jeniva are also accurate if you check their website at http://www.geocities.jp/official_jeniva/p/frame.html and look under the profile section. This information can also be found on their profile on http://vkdb.jp

The dates for their performances are also correct, they can be found on the band's official site, the band's profile on http://www.visunavi.com, and I also went to all of their live shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anzi123 (talk • contribs)

Hi, Anzi123, you should add references from reliable sources, preferebly in English, or otherwise show the band's notability. This doesn't include blogs, social networking sites, 'official homepages' or amateur / self-created homepages. Thanks, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An official website is the most credible source of any band, why would this not be the same for a Japanese band, such as Jeniva. Official sites mean that the band is the original creator of it. What other sources can be more credible than what is officially made by the creator? If you can't read the pages listed in the links on the wikipedia page, then you can use an online translator to read them in English. Most visual kei bands in Japan do not keep an English version of their websites until they are written to a major label, due to lack of money and fan-base. Jeniva never made it to the stage of going major before they broke up, therefore their site or any credible sites on them will most likely not be in English. The sites I listed are credible Japanese sites; use a translator if needed. There are no credible English sites on this band. I am fluent in Japanese and translated these sites to create this page in English.

- Anzi123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I'm afraid you're still not understanding. The band's official website is considered a primary source, and very rarely do sources like that follow the neutral point of view guideline that Wikipedia article should follow. In other words, of course the band's site will hype up the band; after all, they wouldn't say anything bad about themselves, would they? (Primary sources can be used as external links, however.) Erpert (let's talk about it) 03:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything I wrote on the page is neutral and not biased it just lists information not opinions on the band. Information like dates of album releases, type of music, band members, and live show dates are not biased information, they are facts. What items can you find, from what I wrote; are a biased point of view? If needed I will remove them. Also, since you are debating about this page it must mean you are interested and know where to research Japanese bands, do you know any other sites I could use for reference? As far as I know, the only credible sites are what I listed in the links section and are in Japanese plus the homepage of the band (which does not state anything biased towards themselves, it only lists information about them).Anzi123 (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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