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Hi, Antepenultimate. Thanks for your edit to Eternal Flame Falls which added a "References" section. Please note that the "External links" section should go after the "References" section. See WP:ORDER for a listing of the proper sequence of common section near the end of the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Salmon River (New York)

Hi, Antepenultimate. Thanks for querying my assessment on this article, I added some comments on its talk page, but thought I should come and say well done for a nice article...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:53, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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	Thanks for all your efforts with New York State parks. Beautiful photos, too! Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Congratulations on completing a major overhaul and development of the List of New York state parks article. So much more useful now, thanks to your efforts! DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, DASonnenfeld! Your suggestions and encouragement was very helpful as well. Antepenultimate (talk) 00:34, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, I received a message consisting of an edit that I apparently made on an article. I just wanted to say that I am unaware of such an edit, and have not signed into wikipedia for a few months. I received a message similar to this just a short while before, and wanted to let you know that it was not me, and that my account's been compromised. I'll be changing my password. Could you let me know the nature of this edit?burrito777 (talk) 22:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)Burrito77

Hi Burrito77, you can examine the edits for yourself by checking your contributions, which can be done by clicking the word "Contributions" near the top right of your screen in desktop view. Or, you can click here to view them as well. Click on the word "diff" next each timestamp to review the contents of each edit; for instance, here is the childish edit your account made to Slaughterhouse-Five earlier today which prompted my warning. Per WP:SECURITY, if your account is truly compromised, it can be blocked at any time; any further non-constructive editing from this account will prompt a report to an administrator to do just that. - Antepenultimate (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Yep, that definitely wasn't me, I haven't even read the book. I've changed my password, so this shouldn't happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burrito77 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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Dear Sir, I got a letter from you that said I change a website about a castle. Well, I don't know about that. I think this is very strange. My grandson may have done it. He will be punished if he did something wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.214.128.23 (talk) 17:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi 32.214.128.23, the message is directed at your IP address, not to you personally. Depending on whether you have a static or dynamic IP, the actual person who made the edit may be within your household, or it could be someone else entirely. My advice would be to not worry about it, as no further disruption has come from this IP address since it was warned about the vandalism two weeks ago, and I am monitoring for additional problems if they arise (which would lead to further warnings or a block if vandalism from your IP was to resume). If you're curious, here's a link showing one of the problematic edits. Take care - Antepenultimate (talk) 21:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks, DASonnenfeld! Your support is always appreciated, it's nice knowing at least one person out there is looking at some of what I've edited. Thanks again! Antepenultimate (talk) 22:01, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Antepenultimate, Hope your summer's going well! You have an ambitiously full plate of Wikipedia editing as it is, but it occurred to me that you might be well positioned to contribute to strengthening the main article on the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, one that has not been fundamentally updated for some time. Just a suggestion... Thanks & happy trails! DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey DASonnenfeld, I'll take a look - unfortunately I don't readily have any secondary sources at my disposal, but it does seem that even basic info from primary sources could bring about some improvement there. I've also wanted to expand the article for the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation. I've been pretty slammed with field work lately (and I've got a brutal three weeks coming right up) so any significant work probably won't happen soon, but I agree it's needed! Take care - Antepenultimate (talk) 11:12, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello again! Came across another article that could use your expert help, if/ when you have time: Forest Preserve (New York). Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

That looks like it could be interesting, DASonnenfeld, thanks for the tip! Definitely needs some more sources to support some of what seems to be possible POV or OR - I'll try to find some but I won't be surprised if a lot of material gets tagged or removed. I've been editing fairly lightly lately, but the end of the busy field season is in sight, and with it perhaps more time for more in-depth article work once again... thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

West Canada Creek

Noticed your improvements to this article. I had it on my watchlist because I knew it needed a lot of work and thought I might get to it someday. I'm also originally from upstate NY and have improved some NY articles, but also hop around to other things. Anyway, I noticed. I have a comment on the article, which I will add to its talkpage. MB 23:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@MB:, thanks for the note. Many of New York's geographic features get sadly little attention in my opinion so it's nice to know someone else has eyes on a few of them as well (to hopefully catch my mistakes if nothing else!). Hopefully my edits there weren't too drastic, I started just to add coordinates via an infobox, felt compelled to get rid of the blatant POV that used to be in the lede, and then was having a hard time following the subject with the history and course of the river intertwined as it was... Undoubtedly there are still many improvements to be made. Although I worked in the region years ago, I don't recall spending any time on this particular stream, so any local knowledge is much appreciated. Take care - Antepenultimate (talk) 00:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Chazy Fossil Reef

Hi, there's a glitch in the coordinates. Maybe something to look at if you have time? Blythwood (talk) 03:06, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Blythwood, I've commented the map out for now. I have no idea what's wrong, I've built dozen of infoboxes w/ location maps without a hitch 'til now... maybe if I come back to it later, whatever's wrong will become clear. Thanks, and thanks for adding the pic! - Antepenultimate (talk) 03:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Big Moose Lake

Hello again. Just wondering what you think of Big Moose Lake. It mostly contains information about the lake, but includes some information on the nearby hamlet of Big Moose. The section "Neighboring communities" has a link to the hamlet, but there is no actual article on the hamlet - the link redirects to the lake. The circular link is obviously wrong. Would you suggest splitting out the info on the hamlet into its own article? There are lots of little hamlets without articles; not sure if Big Moose really warrants an article. An alternative would be to redirect Big Moose, New York to Webb, New York and expand on the hamlet there. (Some cleanup is definitely needed - the lead says that the lake has "residents"). MB 04:49, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi MB, thanks for the query. Without knowing much (well, anything) about the lake and its communities, I think the simplest solution in the short term would be to call out the hamlet in the lede, and refactor the text a bit to be clear when one subject or the other is being referred to. This may be best even more long-term, since most of the history section is referring to events in the region of the lake (including events that occurred on the lake, involving inhabitants of the community), at least as far as I can tell. Certainly I think someone with more knowledge, sources, and ambition to expand the topic could easily make a separate article for the hamlet (and the information about camps, etc. would be best to include there if such an article is made), but I'm not that person. I'm going to take a brief stab at cleanup based in the above (and will try to tone down some of the promo language as well); let me know what you think. Thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 00:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't expecting you to do this yourself - I was going to work on it but wanted a second opinion on where to cover the hamlet. What you did looks good. I didn't ask on the talk page because I doubt it has any following at all. I added a few more things to your last version. Thanks for taking care of this. MB 04:17, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Hy MB, sorry I misinterpreted - I didn't mean to get in the way of your planned edits. (That's just almost exactly the sort of article I most enjoy tinkering with, it was hard not to tidy up a few things there upon seeing it!) I still think the hamlet could qualify for a standalone article if a few more sources can be found (most of what is specific to the hamlet is unsourced currently, with the exception of the source you added re: palisades), but most of what's there seems to fit OK with the article taking a carefully regional approach to the subject - the lake does seem to be what defines the region. My edits were mainly to clear up the confusion you rightly described in your first post, but I think there's a lot of potential for expansion either way. Again, apologies if I stepped on your toes, it wasn't intended. Thanks - Antepenultimate (talk) 04:41, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

No, no, I don't mind at all. You mis-interpreted my last message. I was trying to say that I wasn't trying to dump more work on you that I didn't want to do myself. I have have my own to-do list and add new things faster than I remove others. You "tidied" better than I would have anyway. I agree the hamlet could have its own article, but the two are so intertwined that it's fine the way it is now. MB 04:56, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks MB, I'm glad to hear that, and I'll also just note that your additions to the article have been really nice thus far; the new gallery especially includes a great assortment of images that really adds to the subject. Thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 05:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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Run the Jewels

Hey. Noticed you added some material about their third album. That now has had a physical release to I changed that using an interview with DIY magazine. Quite a useful source on the album itself if you intend to do an actual album page it it. Just a FYI. Karst (talk) 14:52, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey Karst, thanks for the note. That is indeed a nice writeup (some really fantastic quotes, their interviews are usually great); I haven't had much time for editing these past few days, but I'll see about adding a few tidbits from there soon, hopefully, if you or someone else doesn't beat me to it. Thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 13:06, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Donald J. Trump Foundation article

Good call, removing that AfD tag added by an IP. It turns out the IP was blocked for vandalism across many articles, shortly after they added that - so it was never real. --MelanieN (talk) 22:09, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Mohawk River

Why would you change that back. It doesn't say main tributaries it says tributaries. What I did gave people more information and helped them understand more about what makes the Mohawk River. That took me 6 hours to research and type. You could have at least put the info I typed in a section!!! Tripp155 (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Tributaries

Could you temporarily re add the info so I can copy it to a separate section Tripp155 (talk) 16:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

NY hamlets

Hello again,

I've took a look at one of the many recent edits of the central NY creek articles and noticed Cincinnati Creek was created and says it is located in Mapledale, Oneida County, New York.

Mapledale is a hamlet in the town of Trenton. I doubt it should ever have an article because unless proven otherwise, it's probably just a little used name of a few houses at a cross of two roads like thousands of other places in NY. But the name did make it into the GNIS and USGS Water databases.

Should I change the article to say the creek is in Trenton, New York, or just redirect Mapledale to Trenton?

Since the name is minimally used, probably a redirect is best. I don't see a trend to create one-line articles that say foo is a populated place located at Coord x,y and elevation z. I'm looking for your opinion because those kind of articles have been added in Arizona for every place that appears in the GNIS database without regard for noteability. I've tried PROD and AFD, but enough editors seem to believe that inclusion in a government database means they are "legally recognized" which satisfies GEOLAND. The articles will most likely never be anything more and I think listing them as "Communities and locations in their town/county", as is usually done in NY, is better and removes a lot of clutter. "Legally recognized" means some level of government has created the entity, usually with borders and some level of authority. A mapping agency acknowledging that a name has had some historical usage is much different. MB 16:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey MB, nice to hear from you. Sorry for the delayed response, work and camping has kept me away from editing lately, as happens every spring it seems...

In my experience, the creation of articles for hamlets in NY is patchy; a lot of the state isn't covered as such, but my old home county, Erie County, does have articles for every hamlet; most are approximately 99% infobox, which I think is less-than-ideal. Personally, I think such zero-info articles are better handled as you suggest above, with a redirect to the relevant town article and coverage in a "Communities and locations" section, but I don't really feel strongly either way. If redirected, it would probably be best to leave any links specific to the hamlet pointing to the redirect per WP:NOTBROKEN, so personally I would not change the location to Trenton especially since it is sourced by USGS.

However, I have seen, on occasion, a hamlet article expanded, usually when someone with an understanding of local history drops in. Griffins Mills, New York is one example; although the sourcing is poor, it's the result of information from offline sources being added by an amateur with a poor understanding of our referencing standards. Nothing malicious or deeply concerning in my eyes, but it does show the sort of info that is possibly available for these places. Whether most of the info is WP:MILL is perhaps worthy of debate. And unfortunately, these articles are like as not to become magnets for promotional editing and original research.

Deep down, I think I'm a bit more inclusionist than you may be for these small topics, as I see WP:GEOLAND's requirement for legal recognition as simply a proxy for the likely availability of extended info in offline sources (USBGN assesses common usage before assigning a name, so inclusion in GNIS is a pretty good indicator of sources existing somewhere, and I guess I'm an eventualist who isn't so bothered by short articles). I like how separate articles for geographic subjects allows for easier integration with WikiData and WikiMiniAtlas. The creation of these stubs could also be seen as a way of making them available for expansion for users with access to local history sources, who often are not wiki power users and may be intimidated by article creation, or make a bungle of it. However, I don't believe this so strongly as to make a habit of creating such stubs myself and certainly understand how they can be seen as a net negative when created in bulk. It would be nice if they were more frequently developed past the single-sentence stage within a town article prior to being split off, at least.

Anyway, I clearly have opinions on this but no strong feelings, as mentioned. I like your redirect solution, especially if you're looking for a quick fix for a redlink. Take care - Antepenultimate (talk) 00:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

You answered in about a day and a half. That was plenty quick enough considering the lack of importance here. I created a redirect for Mapledale. I'm just not as optimistic as you that actual articles for many of these hamlets can ever be created. I've done work on other towns in Oneida county using "A Descriptive Work on Oneida County, Wager, 1896" and in checking that, there is no mention of Mapledale. The town of Trenton website lists its hamlets and doesn't include Mapledale. Trenton, New York doesn't say it's a hamlet, just a "location". There is a Mapledale Road, and where it intersects with Rt.12 are about a half-dozen businesses including a drug store, bank, liquor store, etc. That is the Mapledale commercial district, which in my opinion puts this on par with a very minor neighborhood or small strip mall - neither which would warrant an article just for existing. But it is listed in GNIS as a "populated place". Then a few hundred feet down the road is a trailer park with about 50 lots called "Mapledale Acres", which is also a GNIS populated place. And a couple of towns away in Paris, New York at the intersection of a different Mapledale Rd & Hardscrable Rd is Oneida County's third Mapledale, another GNIS populated place. From imagery, it looks to have just a few houses in the area. So I'm not convinced we should have articles on every GNIS named place. I really question the bit about common usage. From examples like this, I have come to believe that if the name is or ever was on a map then GNIS recognizes it. No need to answer, I guess I am just venting. You said what you think already and we are really not very far apart. By the way, I lived in Erie County too, for five years when attending UB. MB 02:43, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Cincinnati Creek

Another question. I looked at google maps for this creek and found something curious. This map [1] shows the name Cincinnati Creek at the point where it joins West Canada, but then labels it as Mud Creek. If you follow the creek west on the map, the label eventually changes to Cincinnati Creek. The GNIS database says the only Mud Creek in Oneida county is in New Hartford/Utica. Would you just ignore this and chalk it up to a google error? MB 16:27, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey MB, I've seen Google disagree with GNIS several times. I think I would have to trust GNIS in a pinch; the other day I was able to correct a Gmaps business listing with a few clicks of my phone. Now I'm an honest guy and I thought it was neat that they'd let me do that, but it did make me question the veracity of the information it contains if it's essentially a wiki now (having seen how the sausage is made here, especially). I can't seem to quickly find out what their sources for geographic features are - another reason I'd probably not treat Gmaps as a reliable source for much. Antepenultimate (talk) 00:11, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

By the way, out of curiosity I just loaded up my NY National Hydrography Dataset file into a GIS; it confirms that what Google is calling 'Mud Creek' is actually Cincinatti Creek. According to the NHD, at least, there is no "Mud Creek" anywhere nearby. Hope this helps - Antepenultimate (talk) 00:38, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Navbox

Hello. I noticed an editor has added the Hudson River Watershed navbox to dozens of articles on cities/towns that fall within the Hudson drainage. See Herkimer, New York as an example. I really don't find this useful. There just isn't a clear enough relationship between these places. The list is probably missing as many places as it includes. But what is the purpose? Should there be a navbox of Places in New York, Towns that start with the letter H, Atlantic Ocean watershed, Places on earth? There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and I think this has gone too far and I see it as useless clutter in the article. Just wondering if you have any thoughts on this? MB 03:41, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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Could you provide insight into why the soundcloud link to the Eakin park sound recording was deemed not appropriate?

I have read the https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided , but I do not understand the removal of that link. Thanks for any insight re: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Eakin_Community_Park&oldid=775783035 — Preceding unsigned comment added by FriendsOfZippy (talk • contribs) 22:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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