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English is my first language and I live in the United States. Proper nouns are always capitalized. It is different from Greek. I would think that by seeing it so often in English that you would have realized this. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:14, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Because I have told you repeatedly to not lowercase the words, but you still did it. I did see that there were some good changes in there, but it is not fair to me to have to go through and fix everything since I didn't do anything wrong. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
You're more than welcome to undo my edit and fix the capitalizations. Did you read the page on proper nouns I linked for you? It says "In English and most other languages that use the Latin alphabet, proper nouns are usually capitalized." I know what I am talking about. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Just some basic spelling fixes and wording that was incorrect before and you fixed. I didn't take an idepth look, but I think if you fix the capitalizations you should be fine. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 01:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
For future reference, the user page of an editor will have information about the editor. To get to the page, click on the person's name. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 01:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Because you asked if I was a boy, so I'm telling you that sometimes editors say that they are on their user pages, which I happened to do. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 01:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I just came here to say the same thing. You just wrote (incorrectly, as pointed out above) "English" and "Greek" with lower case letters in this edit on Julia Alexandratou. Please be careful and capitalize according to English conventions here. Thanks! -Phoenixrod (talk) 04:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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Minos EMI
Please do not move the Minos EMI page again. As the creator and prime researcher of this page, I have observed that there isn't enough reasoning to include a dash in the name. The company has been inconsistent with writing either "Minos EMI" or "Minos-EMI". Although I believe that the company's legal name is "Minos-EMI S.A.", there is still not a widespread consistency of the use "Minos-EMI" by the company itself, in print media, etc. Thanks.Imperatore (talk) 00:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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SHSM picture
Hi. Where exactly did you get the picture of Harry and the monsters (File:Shattered Memories.jpg)? I'm trying to fill out the fair-use rationale for it. Thank you. Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
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Grammar in Silent Hill
Hi again. I've noticed that you keep reverting the semicolons in the sentence "Having split with Cybil, Harry later meets Dahlia Gillespie, owner of a store in Silent Hill, who gives him an item she calls the "Flauros", Michael Kaufmann, doctor and director of Silent Hill's Alchemilla Hospital, and Lisa Garland, a nurse at Alchemilla Hospital." This is not grammatically correct. Semicolons can be used "to separate units of a series when one or more of the units contain commas."Rule 4
In this case, the correct sentence would be: "Having split with Cybil, Harry later meets Dahlia Gillespie, owner of a store in Silent Hill, who gives him an item she calls the "Flauros"; Michael Kaufmann, doctor and director of Silent Hill's Alchemilla Hospital; and Lisa Garland, a nurse at Alchemilla Hospital." Don't worry too much about it—it's one of those oddities in the English language. Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
No problem. I actually learned about that use for semi-colons only very recently. To be honest, I did suspect English was not your first language, because of little mistakes ("having splitted" instead of "having split"), but as a native speaker of English, I've made far worse mistakes than that. ;) Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Record labels
Hey, please stop changing the record label fields for albums released in Greece. Labels in Greece work a different way than they do in other markets. It has been discussed before in the past, and is a pretty complicated situation. I am sure when User:Imperatore is available online, he can explain the situation to you, as he is the resident expert on labels. Until this confusion is cleared up, could you please stop changing the label fields to avoid more work to clean up later. Greekboy (talk) 19:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)Please respond to me on this talk page, I will be monitoring it.
"Hey?"? You don't know me after all. I am Greek, live in Athens and know very well how they function in Greece. Records in Greece are released by the labels, not the label groups. The label group only handles the distribution to sell spots. Release and distribution of records are 2 entirely different things. If there was a "Distribution" field then Sony Music Entertainment could be put in it. But in the "Label" field, the record label which produced the album should be put. Sony Music Entertainment is a group of labels, it's not a record label. Imperatore's expertise on the subject can't be verified by any reliable proof. Correct me if I'm wrong, Imperatore does not even live in Greece, but I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Golden Sugarplum (talk • contribs) 20:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Living in Greece does not have anything to do with understanding the situation. Like I said it is a complicated situation that has been discussed in the past in detail. He is the best equipped to provide you with details. Greekboy (talk) 20:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Columbia Graphophone Company started as a gramophone company and later operated as a record label owned by EMI and named Columbia Records. During the sixties EMI changed Columbia Records's name to EMI Records because there was another Columbia Records around which wasn't owned by EMI. The Columbia Records not owned by EMI bought the rights to the name "Columbia Records" and the Magic Notes logo from EMI in order to use them as its own. Isn't this the case? Why did you mention a discussion about labels? And what does monitoring mean? I saw at your user page that you speak Greek well. We could talk in Greek, if you don't mind. It would be easier for me because I sometimes have trouble with prepositions and stuff in English. Golden Sugarplum (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
That is not the case, but like I said I am not really at place to explain it, as Imperatore knows about the situations much more than I do. He should be online soon enough to clear up the situation. And by monitoring your talk page, I meant that I added it on my watchlist. So if you reply to me here, I will see it, so no need for you to reply on my page. This way it keeps the whole conversation together in one place. :) Greekboy (talk) 22:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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Oh, I was serious. People just don't care about the grammar anymore. So, I'm very happy when somebody actually shows an interest in improving his/her writing—not that I should be talking. I've written some truly awful stuff. Kaguya-chan (talk) 02:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Re: Silent Hill
I saw the request for comment. Good grief, I hate fighting on here. As someone who was involved in that arguing, I'm going to stay out of it unless absolutely necessary; my commenting there will not help matters, only worsen them. I wish you all the luck in the world in convincing her of the difference between a plot summary and a detailed description, because I've tried many times. Maybe she'll listen to an outsider opinion. Or maybe we just misunderstood each other. She has good intentions; I suspect that she is confusing any attempt to improve anything she has written as criticism of herself and her writing, when it's not. I know my writing will not be the last version, nor is it anywhere near perfect. Oh well.
And for the record, I think that the "kept in the basement" is perfectly acceptable, but the whole Kaufmann may or may not faked Alessa's death is not—there's a world of difference between a possibility and something that definitely happened. And then there's the trivia factor that it falls under. Does it enhance the reader's knowledge of the plot to know that Kaufmann was a drug-dealing scumbag, who may have faked the death of a little girl? Maybe on the character page, but not for the summary. Does it enhance the reader's knowledge of the plot to know that Dahlia managed to burn her house and some of the neighborhood down in the process of her ritual? Harry and his alien buddies blew up the town, and they go uncredited. :) The plot of SH is already confusing enough as is, but when you start adding in trivia or stuff better suited to the character page, then it becomes even more confusing. It is a plot summary, not a detailed description. Kaguya-chan (talk) 14:54, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
That about the aliens was nice. :) Well, the request attracted one editor for the moment but he didn't still comment, but he also asked others to comment. We'll see. I saw you edited an article about a manga. Do you read any? I've only read Mickey Mouse, Asterix and stuff like that (translated in Greek), when I was younger, but not Japanese comics. Are they popular in the US and do they have lots of differences compared to western comics? Golden Sugarplum (talk) 12:00, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Hey,
I'm not an administrator- I just have enough knowledge and experience from four years on Wikipedia to understand how things work. I've looked over the discussions from you, your opposition, third parties and the Silent Hill talk page itself. I'm trying to remain as neutral as possible, in order to share an accurate and typical perspective from an outside source and I found it as a fairly small matter that should be resolved by the consideration of outside opinions, specifically those who do have knowledge of the article and may be less biased to sharing an opinion. Of course, that may not be the end of this dispute, as further controversial editing from any of the main opposing parties might simply escalate the magnitude of this edit war.
Kaguya-Chan found this when I asked her about comparisons between Origins 's Butcher and the original PH. It's also got a mention of the similarities between the nurses and strightjacket monsters in 2 and Origins that you might find useful. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 18:33, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain Destrutoid will look a bit better by April 2nd. The article describes the Butcher as a "Pyramid Head predecessor," and on the PH article I also threw in the ZP Origins review when citing the comparison (around 2:40 - specifically he calls him a "Transparent Pyramid Head wannabe.") Could be useful for an "influence" paragraph in the development.
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As you are a recent contributor to Silent Hill (video game), I'm just letting you know I have protected the article for a week as there is an edit war still continuing there. Should you wish to make contentious changes once the protection expires, please try to get a consensus on the Talk page first, or you may risk being blocked for edit-warring. (Note: I am copying this same, or a similar, message to all recent editors of the article - the prohibition against edit-warring applies whether or not you are right about the content) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
My mistake - I'd looked at the wrong diff and had thought the edit war was continuing, when in fact someone had reverted an unconnected edit. I have unprotected the article. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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Hey there. Again. ;) I noticed you put up a merge template up for the SH2 character list. I personally think that there is quite a bit of analysis for notability. There is *some* analysis in Book of Lost Memories (mainly just confirmation about a few characters: eg. Maria was not real, etc), some excellent analysis from Team Silent on the making of SH2 DVD (TV France), as well as comments in reviews (some of which should already be in the article), and analysis from Doris C. Rusch (in Well Played, a print-on-demand book as far as I can tell) and commentary from Gamasutra news director Leigh Alexander. But I'm interested in your opinion about the sources. Kaguya-chan (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The making-of DVD was included with the European release of SH2, so it's as reliable as it gets. ;) I'm still unsure about what to do about Rusch through... As for links, they are all in the Pyramid Head article, which needs another good clean-up & prep. A sound sample would be too much, though. And then there's the upcoming PS3 SH2 update with new voice acting, which means more reviews... As for links between PH & the Butcher, only two reviewers have mentioned a similarity, one of which may not be reliable. They're both in the article. Kaguya-chan (talk) 19:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Want to help clean up the article? I actually had a picture of film PH in the article, but removed it b/c of the fair-use criteria...one of the peer reviewers commented that it didn't really help the article, so off it went. Well Played is a print-on-demand book, and the link is posted above. The commentary itself is alright, nothing mind-blowing or especially well-written. The other commentary is much more interesting, particularly the one about ICO. Kaguya-chan (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm a little hestiant to use pictures from Wikia, because you really have no idea where they came from or if someone just had a little too much fun with Photoshop. And PH article seems fine without concept pictures (it did make A-class w/o them after all!) I was contemplating another FA run for it, after some clean-up and rearranging. Origins, oh Origins. Didn't care for it as a game at all. Can hardly blame you for not wanting to work on it. ;) I guess I'll have to go improve it eventually... Kaguya-chan (talk) 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm still unhappy with the writing quality and want to work on it some more before nominating. Great job on finding all those pesky publishers, though! It looks much better now! Kaguya-chan (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I did check the site. Just forgot to write back. I guess Neoseeker is reliable; I have a feeling that that's were most of Wikia's pictures came from. (Laura looks so adorable in the concept art...) Kaguya-chan (talk) 23:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
And before I forget again, I think that the picture that would be the most useful would be the Maria & James in the prison cell. I think it was the 1st scene the developers came up with (or something similar), and nicely illustrates the underlying, ambiguous (correct spelling?) tone of the game. Kaguya-chan (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
That's okay. The movement seems to be favoring deletion; if that is what the community wishes, then so shall it be. I've already added my opinion; there's no point in beating the dead horse. You can find the sources on the SH2 page in reception. Nearly every review mentions something (typically favorable) about the monsters. Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
"the game manual refers to him as Dr. K and he's never called otherwise in the game, which is set in an alternate universe" - actually before you enter the entrance to the lighthouse clinic (which is at the end of game), there's a name that reads "M. Kaufmann", mean that Dr. K is in fact Michael Kaufmann. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.203.89.111 (talk) 07:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The name is not written in full words (i.e. Michael Kaufmann), so the "M" could mean another name (which I doubt, though). The article should use the name used in reliable sources (video game sites, game manual etc.). Golden Sugarplum (talk) 12:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
RE:Opinion on a topic
I think you misunderstand me. I wasn't trying to be rude, but I was remarking that the edit war was getting nowhere and that was how Yomiel became an interest of mine. I was generalizing a bit with my statement, but it was directed at Yomiel, as far as being immature goes; I thought you were the better party. But I admit, you were the most-outspoken of those involved and I felt there were times that the editing teetered on the edge of ad hominen. No disrespect intended, though. The consensus of the editors was reached and that's all I care for. DarthBottotalk•cont06:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I can't recall who said what, but I know that there was a lot of bickering and it was frustrating to even an outsider, such as myself, because I was hoping there would be progress in the case, but it started to come down to attacks on one another's integrity. You were certainly the better party in this case and Yomiel was going against the general consensus, but I just wish there could have been more agreeance, that's all. It doesn't go against you, though, as when it was uncovered that she was a sockpuppet, all disputes ended in my book. I hope I didn't sadden you too much, because I have no issues with you and I really appreciated your request for input.DarthBottotalk•cont22:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Sending warning messages to editors that have been around for years – especially over a mere disagreement – is pretty sure to earn you their hate. Just a tip in case you plan to stick around. ;) Prime Blue (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I would prefer the word "notification", "warning" sounds too mean. :( This is the word I used in the heading, exactly for this reason, to make it friendlier. I don't believe that someone would hate someone else because of a notification, or even warning, if you prefer this word, if it has a basis. Besides, it was a level 1 warning, which is quite friendly and welcoming and in combination with the softer word "notification", I believe it gets even softer. :) Golden Sugarplum (talk) 02:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
If anything, I am less likely to take part in a discussion if you notify me on my talk page, as it gets into conflict of interest/canvassing territory. But I do not care about articles centered on fictional universes anyway because I consider them a waste of time. Prime Blue (talk) 18:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, I asked you to participate because I trust your judgement, after seeing the changes you proposed for the SH1 article (both the ones proposed recently for the A-class assessment and the ones proposed when we were trying to make it pass GA assessment). Besides, I don't know what your opinion on the topic is, so I don't know if this is considered canvassing, but even if it was, it was unintentional. Anyways, if you feel like it, give your opinion on the article. Golden Sugarplum (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
SH4
Ta for the cleanup. I never get around to working on those articles anymore. If I feel the need to do some work, I feel more obliged to fix our woefully inadequate Mafia articles.
Anyway, I was looking to see if there was any more information about Team Silent dissolving to bulk up that section that got gutted, but all I've got is this. You might find it useful if other related people back it. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 18:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm always willing to help with SH articles. :) Unfortunately the source doesn't explicitly say that it was the last game by Team Silent. If I find a source that says it, I will add it. Golden Sugarplum (talk) 22:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Ref 23 appears to have disappeared; I'll check the Internet Archive if it has it archived somewhere, but after a quick search, I'm not hopeful. Still, I've been wrong before. The matter with the PH picture was that it was a wee bit too big, and as it is a copyrighted piece, we should use as little of it as possible (as I undertand it). So it had to be resized to be smaller, and the previous version will have to be deleted. No big deal. There's a bot that does the resizing. And the copy-edit comes last, after everything is in FAC-ready shape. Now, do you think the PH figure is worth a mention? I can't decide if it's trivia or not... Kaguya-chan (talk) 19:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Ha! :) Yes, I looked at those links in the discussion. Yes, the SH2 section needs refs, it's just very difficult to write about a monster that never speaks or makes any attempt at communication, so all it really is is just James' observations. Hm, could that be another way to interpret SH2? Agree with point 2 as well. I am a little wary of adding another picture, as any PH picture will be copyrighted, and FAC reviewers are very particular about fair-use pictures. They are meant only to help the reader understand (eg. convey something that could not be conveyed by words, such as the cover of a book for an article about that book), not as illustrations. Since there's already a picture of SH2 PH—arguably the more useful one, as it shows the origins and nature of the character—having another picture of SH2 PH would be kind of redundant in the eyes of the FAC reviewers. Hopefully not too confusing, right? Fair-use is really tricky to understand. Kaguya-chan (talk) 01:26, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I guess so. Fair-use's pretty complex: the concept picture is fine, but having another picture of SH2's PH wouldn't help the readers understand anything that the lead picture (of SH2's PH) couldn't convey. Hopefully, I'm not being too confusing... Kaguya-chan (talk) 03:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
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The actress has specifically stated in multiple interviews that Dark Alessa is "the dark side of Alessa", and the director has said he hired Jodelle to play "multiple incarnations of the same character" and that Alessa is split into three bodies, one an adult woman and two children who contain her good and bad sides. I don't know if that counts as original research, but I don't see why the verified fact of who that character is and what happened in the movie shouldn't be included, seeing as two different people associated with the film have made it very clear. Not only that, but it can't be understood that Dark Alessa is being metaphorical about Sharon's origins in the first part of her statement (i.e., Sharon not being Rose's daughter) while being literal in the second half (Sharon being the goodness of Alessa), and then not understood that Dark Alessa does the exact same thing when she talks about herself, (metaphorical = Many names, literal = Dark side of Alessa). She does it twice in a row when explaining herself and Sharon, I don't understand why people don't get that, though admittedly Gans was WAY too heavy with the symbolism he loaded onto her. Thanksfully, Bassett has said on his blog that he follows Gans' view on the three parts of Alessa, and will not be retconning what any of them were always supposed to be, despite the heavy symbolism and poor dialogue. Also, I noticed she was called The Being, which suggests something that really isn't true about her (that she comes from outside Alessa). Original research or not, I think it's a poor idea to include something that isn't actually correct on a wikipedia page. If it's considered unfair to take the word of the creators into consideration for the movie page, it may be better to keep her as something like 'a mysterious girl that looks like Sharon and Alessa, and refers to herself as "The Reaper" and "the dark part of Alessa". That would keep outside sources out of the article, and still not suggest she's anything other than what she says in the film itself. :) 50.8.39.143 (talk) 03:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to respond! I'll post references behind the remark, let me know if that still doesn't work. SH happens to be my favorite movie, and I love the characters and the symbolic nature. Glad to see other fans around. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.122.181 (talk) 22:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
That's because ref 5 & 7 are from the same site, only they appear to be transcripts of some kind. And yes, they appeared off to me too. Refs 5&7 are probably from a fan site of some time (that's my guess, anyway.) I would keep the 1Up one and Gans' production diary, and remove the others to avoid over-reffing. I haven't seen the film in a while, so I can't be too sure about dark Alessa being the manifestation of her pain. But I think it says something similar in the film... Kaguya-chan (talk) 17:49, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, I must agree with you. I may have been over-reaching and over-complicating things with the description of the factions. Without Gothic and Byzantine, I think it would suffice. Kapeesh? DarthBottotalk•cont04:59, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
That was added due to requests on the page's peer review. The administrators felt that a brief description of where and what the factions are. The citations was another issue that they admitted could not be solved as of yet, as reliable, third-party sources have not come forward to add their descriptions of the gameplay. I suppose I could add something about Valve, but it's not practical now. DarthBottotalk•cont04:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
The sources are a pickle, I'll admit. I have one source in from the announcement, supporting the leveling, but until the game's release with reviews, we'll be hard-pressed to have the article's potential maximized, simply because of this. The reviewers have so far said that it's just about ready to become a GA, but the gameplay section needs its source gaps filled in... DarthBottotalk•cont04:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Well because the reason why i edit it is because I (along with other players) didn't want to see Cybil die. and of course Cheryl Mason (along with Alessa) was reincarnated into Heather. --112.203.121.42 (talk) 08:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
One question: if your said: "wrong wording that makes it seem like the "good+" ending is canonical, while it isn't & an unsourced statement" does it mean you want Cybil to Die (Good/Normal Ending) or Live (Good+/Happy Ending)? --112.203.125.255 (talk) 22:23, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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What she said.
Also, since I now know KC is reading this page as well, the H of the S is probably a more iconic series logo than the one we've got now, so there's a good chance it could just go in the infobox. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 00:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
By "the one we've got now" you mean the logo in Silent Hill? I was thinking about this article's logo lately and thought of replacing it with SH1's logo. What about this idea? But the HoS would also be very good I guess (although it rocks in the navbox, combined with the red color I put in the box). Hula Hup (talk) 00:27, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I like the way it is now, but that's a matter of personal opinion. To me, the series' logo that appears on the cover is the most recognisable. (Yes, it did look lovely, but copyrighted is copyrighted.) Kaguya-chan (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about that. Yes for the first, and no for the second. The logo currently in the SH main article seems the most similar to the general logo of the series that has appeared on the covers of all the games. Kaguya-chan (talk) 00:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
But each game has a different logo, none has the same with another one, so there isn't a general logo for the series. Only Origins and Shattered Memories have logos which resemble each other, but still they are not exactly the same. Hula Hup (talk) 00:50, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I see your point. I was thinking in the general structure of the logo, but if you deem it necessary to swap out the logo for SH1's, then do so. I'm fairly neutral about the whole idea. Kaguya-chan (talk) 01:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, substitution of the current one with SH1's was in my mind, but today I rejected the idea as it's not representative of the whole series nor it's more recognizable than other games' logos, so it would be misleading to place it in the series' main article. The series doesn't have a general logo; all individual logos use a diffent font and typeface, so there isn't a general "structure" shared by all the individual logos. The current one in the infobox doesn't exist, as it was created by a user; it's a self-made, unofficial logo that appears in no games, so it's kinda like "original research". Besides, the picture in the infobox shouldn't be something close to the general structure (not that there is one) of the individual logos, but something that offers easy identification of the article's subject. Since there isn't a general logo for the series or, at least, one used in multiple games (even Origins' and Shattered Memories' aren't exactly the same), I believe the most ideal alternatives would be using the latest installment's logo (it's not representative of the series either, but at least it's far newer than SH1's) or doing what Lenin suggested:
substituting the current one with the HotS, which is a widely recognizable series symbol representative of the whole series, as the cult's religion holds a key role in 5 of the 7 games (SH1, SH3, SH4, Origins, and Homecoming). There is also a reference to it in SH2's sub-scenario, in the book that describes the process of resurrecting the dead, which is a ceremony of the religion. The religion will also be featured in the upcoming Silent Hill: Book of Memories, judging from the game's working box art, which has a yellow HotS in the background ([1], [2], [3]); the possibility that the religion will be featured in Book of Memories is also supported by the fact that the game will include returning creatures from the series' universe ([4]), including the censored "Grey Children" from SH1 ([5]; watch the whole trailer). Hula Hup (talk) 12:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I understand your point about religion being a major factor in most of the games, but am still not convinced that it is the most recognisable symbol of the whole series. On a another point, to think long-term, uploading the logo of the newest game seems tedious at least, and at worst futile, especially if those developers continue producing SH games at the current rate. (And yes some VG franchises have been going on for a long time with no end in sight.) Now, I personally think that this issue should probably be brought up on a project talk page where uninvolved editors could share their opinions; this way, there would be a more complete picture of what the current consensus is. Kaguya-chan (talk) 04:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Are you thinking of WikiProject Video games? The HotS picture would indeed be good in the article's main body, in a "Religion" sub-section of the "Common elements" section; if more information on the religion and the cult is added from Lost Memories, then there will be enough space to place the pic. Hula Hup (talk) 16:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
As I found your idea to place the HotS image on the main series article nice, I putted it in a new sub-section, while also expanding it to create more space for the image to fit (I'm still not over with the sub-section, I'll probably expand it more these days); I guess you were right that a logo is better for the infobox, the HotS is maybe not that recognizable. I'm not sure about the HotS caption, though, so if you come up with a better one feel free to change it; it also needs resizing to avoid copyright issues. Hula Hup (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Once again. Stop telling me what to do.
Read this link about Harry's real first name before telling me what to do, non-administrator. Also, the manual says the name "Harry Mason", NOT Harold. --68.37.56.163 (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I know that. The Book of Lost Memories confirmed that his real name is Harrold, not Harold. Also, Cybil is killed in the Good ending. Hula Hup suggest that ending is canon yet he also insists that Cybil merely disappeared. You can't have it both ways. I'll reword the page. Also, I provided proof in regards to Cybil. Wheeler tells Alex and Ellie that Cybil disappeared. --68.37.56.163 (talk) 22:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm not FOJ. I've never even heard of her. I'm a 23 year old male from Jersey City, New Jersey. Unlike you, I don't live in Greece. I have the Silent Hill manual from North America. It doesn't show the name "Harold". It shows the name "Harry". I don't idolize the Book of Lost Memories. All I said was it uses the name "Harrold". Also, I believe Harry killed Cybil. Wheeler does reveal that Cybil disappeared, hence she was killed. That's what I was trying to say. Of course the Good ending is canon. Homecoming confirmed that. What's wrong with pointing out that Cybil died? You automatically assume I'm someone else without even thinking. You got the wrong person, man. Have a good life.--64.71.153.58 (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Once again!
I'm not FOJ. I've never heard of this person. I've been editing Wikipedia since 2005. I am a 23 year old male from Jersey City. I don't live in Montclair. I've never lived in that town. I moved here from Florida back in January. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Did you even read what I just said? You're blocking the wrong person. I've never lived in Pennsylvania. This is ridiculous. How many people live in New Jersey? Get your facts straight before you block innocent people. --64.71.153.58 (talk) 18:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
This is ridiculous
I'm not FOJ. I'm telling the truth. How many people live in New Jersey? I've never lived in Montclair. I don't care that the geolocator locates to that town. This is ridiculous. I moved to New Jersey from Florida last January. You're blocking the wrong person. The entire community is against FOJ returning to Wikipedia. Not me. This is an outrage. Get your facts straight before blocking innocent people. This isn't over. I promise you that. --64.71.153.58 (talk) 18:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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I'm receiving a warning for changing a note in an article so that it's more accurate? Just because Konami has never officially stated Heather's last name doesn't mean she doesn't have one. She obviously doesn't only have a first name, she's not Cher. The question isn't whether or not she has a last name, the question is whether or not we know what that last name is. Not to mention that my change hardly affected the overall meaning of the note in the end anyway. Byakuya Truelight (talk) 17:20, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I noticed 68.37.56.163 / 64.71.153.58 got blocked a little while ago for being a sockpuppet of Fragments of Jade / SyberiaWinx... and I have some doubts about that. Maybe I'm missing some elements, here, but even if that user did seem aggressive / problematic, the style didn't sound like SyberiaWinx's, in my opinion. I guess she could have tried to change it in order to trick people, but... well, she's just terrible at that. I've seen her in other places relatively recently (evading bans with alternate accounts, naturally), and her style was what you'd expect, i.e. the exact same as ever. So I don't know about that one... Just my five cents, naturally.
Apart from a space between comments and signatures and a different state (which is bordered by the one FoJ was editing from, though), I haven't noticed any differences between the style, attitude, behavior etc. of this user and FoJ's. The user lied that they were editing from Jersey City, while Wikipedia's geolocation showed their location to be Montclair. Anyway, I would really like not to talk about this matter, since it reminds me of really aggressive behavior and meanness.
No conspiracy theories, no accusations of "bullying", no references to Wikipedia "staff" (I don't remember SyberiaWinx talking about "administrators"), no self-victimizing, different interests aside from Silent Hill (Saad bin Laden, Transformers, Saw, Grand Theft Auto IV... that doesn't sound like her)... Different speech overall: for example, I really can't quite picture SyberiaWinx saying things like "You got the wrong person, man. Have a good life." as I just wouldn't expect any kind of laid-back attitude from her at any point during a dispute (she tends to assume her interlocutors are female, too, except when she tries the "OMG sex offender!1!!" approach). I don't remember her posting warnings on user talk pages (not even as a comeback), nor using italics or the shorthand "FOJ" either. Different IP ranges and locations (and I'm not convinced the user lied about his/her location: WHOIS doesn't tell you where the person resides exactly, does it? besides, why lie, there? it's not like Montclair was ever associated with SyberiaWinx, and Jersey City is pretty much next door anyway). That user provided sources and tried to explain himself/herself, whereas SyberiaWinx never seemed to see the point of that. 64.71.153.58 apparently was active back in March/April, when SyberiaWinx was enjoying her Yomiel account (and 76.120.154.202, alternatively).
I realize this isn't a pleasing matter, but the more I examine this, the more I believe an error was made. Considering SyberiaWinx was actually banned, not merely blocked, I think we should be extra-careful when discussing possible sockpuppets. Now, maybe that user should be blocked anyway; I'm not commenting on that but merely on the idea that he/she was SyberiaWinx.
And yes, it appears we have conflicting spellings for that character's full name... That's somewhat common, with Japanese works, yet it always bothers me. So inconvenient ^_^; Erigu (talk) 17:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
In any case, the edits by 64.71.153.58 does not give me much confidence. But I suppose that's the cross we bear if we did make a mistake here. –MuZemike17:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
To Erigu: The IP could be an irrelevant user, but their lack of certain FoJ traits isn't convincing, as all this could very easily be a fake behavior to trick people and they also have a ton other FoJ characteristics. I've noticed, by judging from past conversations between you and FoJ, as well as this conversation, that you seem to be quite concerned about her; I would advise you not to waste too much energy on thinking about the past, especially on things that cannot be fixed, as disruptive users will never cease to exist. Hula Hup (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Like I said, she just isn't good at coming up with fake behaviors in order to trick people. At all. ^_^;
And don't worry, I'm not wasting much energy on this, right now. I was just a bit concerned by what looked (well, "looks", to me) like another user getting blamed for her past deeds.
Regarding this edit here, can you point to me specifically in the policies where it says that wikis are "inappropriate" for external linking? Not arguing or anything, I'm just wondering. I also ask because there's several other articles with external links to wikis, examples including Darth Vader, Jedi, Saavik as well as a few others. If those articles are ok with external links to their respective wikis, shouldn't Master Chief also be as fine with it as well?
WP:VG/EL, which says that fan-based sites are inappropriate external links because they "tend to be self-published venues and are not appropriate for verifiability within Wikipedia."
WP:ELNO, which includes in its list of links to be avoided "Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research, except to a limited extent in articles about the viewpoints that the site is presenting" (No 2), "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority" (No 11), "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors" (No 12).
The articles you mentioned are, unfortunately, not good models, because they are not in the best shape (especially Jedi and Saavik), as they contain bad content, such as unsourced information and excessive or irrelevant trivia. Jedi and Saavik also have a problem with the "Reception" section, with Jedi's needing expansion and Saavik not having one at all. Only featured articles should be used for comparison, as they are the best available; but even if a featured article contained a link to a wiki, this does not mean that that link would be appropriate, as anyone can edit articles and add whatever they want. I hope I helped and good luck. Hula Hup (talk) 19:07, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Thematic genre in lead
Hey Hula Hup,
The infobox template is talking specifically about the genre field used in the infobox template, not the actual lead it self. I undid this edit and added back the thematic genre for the lead. It is not in the infobox. ferret (talk) 15:08, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I was going by this Silent Hill#Silent Hill: Book of Memories, which states "The game, which is not canonical to the series". Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it doesn't fit with the canon, then it's not a main game. This and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories shouldn't be listed in the series article under main games, the latter being a "reimagining".--Tærkast (Discuss) 14:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I tweaked the template to try to reach consensus as this issue has been a pain in the past, too. The phrase "main video games" was incorrect, as a series' installments cannot be divided into major and minor. Are you willing to take part in the discussion the invitation on your talk page says about? We need opinions on a major issue. Hula Hup (talk) 19:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. I noticed you edited the Silent Hill: Revelations 3D article, removing the references to the film's music, citing its unreliability. However, this information was taken from (and referencing) the personal blog of the film's director. Official blog. Is this source really unreliable? Do we have to wait for an 'important site' to publish this information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.96.84.140 (talk) 16:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm very afraid that you unfortunately did not provide any source at all when you introduced the information on the film's music nor I ever doubted the blog's reliability. The link to the blog was provided by another user on the same day. I hope I helped. Hula Hup (talk) 13:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
The review has been up for over three months and there hasn't been any comment on the assessment. Are you still working on it or can I close it as I do not think there's gonna be anymore commenting on the review. GamerPro6418:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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