User talk:Andreasegde/Archive 13

Who eat all the pies?

Alright egde? Where's that nice band piccy gone? Vera, Chuck & Dave 06:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It's back - under the photo of the the Slob's Austrian cousin "smokin' a fag". egde 06:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Nice one, off to the park with the dog (Bandit) & the girls, see yer later la, Vera, Chuck & Dave 06:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Bandit? Is it renowned for sniffing other dog's wedding tackle? :) egde 10:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

ALOL! No, not that kin da "Bandit", he's a proper Scouse Shepherd wot goes on the rob - sweeties mainly! Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Wot? an Alsatian? I imagine that it must be difficult shouting out his name near a group of "fly-boys", or an ice-cream van selling cornets for 6 quid a throw :) I have always wanted a West Highland White Terrier (yeah, I know it's a b it soft but they have stupid ears and big black eyes and they don't need much walking because of their short legs. They also remind me of my image in the mirror in the morning.) I would cal l him/it "Bob the dog", although t he best name for a dog is "Here!". I would definitely get arrested for it in Austria, but I would love to call a dog "Goebbels".

What about a photo of Bandit on your page? I've become a dab hand uploading 'em, so I could give you a few pointers. Don't tell me you don't have a digital camera, 'cos they're selling 'em at the back of Woolwich market for 50 quid a go (no questions asked, and "Ya didn't see me - royt?") egde 17:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a meat pie with my pint, thank you. I like pies. --kingboyk 17:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Now you're talking! Steak and Kidney pie (with gravy) from the Leeds train station buffet at 11:30 at night. Freshly taken out of a plutonium-powered oven and wrapped in a slightly burned-at-the-edges cellophane wrapper, or a lovely pork pie (dipped in HP brown sauce of course). Something you would not believe: Austrians have yet to wait for the invention of the wholesome meat-flavoured pie. Pork scratchings... Oh, shut the 'eff up egde, you're making yourself salivate.... :) egde 17:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC) egde 17:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah shut the eff up, I'm friggin starvin here - the Chelsea Barmy Army are up Sainsburys an there isn't even a biccy in the house! - cept Bandit's, but I don't think he'd like it much me swipin his biccy's! Having said that have you ever eaten a Bonio? Very tasty (no joke) I ate one of his once just to piss him off, and he was really pissed off! Yeah, I'll lay me hands on a camera an stick im on the page, he is a great big gentle giant, but if a stranger goes to close, to "The Women" he turns into the Devil incarnate- bit like me! Westies are great little dogs, got the heart of a lion! If you get one, don't give it a "Nasty" name, call im Charlton! Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC) P.S. El Bandito is more commonly known as OI! Vera, Chuck & Dave

And now for something completely... important

"And here are the latest football results"... Cynthia is #1 on the GA list and Astrid is #4. Mimi on the Football Association review is 3-3 and looking a bit worried (although she didn't give a tinker's cuss in real life.) George Martin has been getting a facelift, and will be getting a kick up the league table very shortly. Leeds are... nah, I think we'll forget that one. egde 17:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Astrid has failed the GA. egde 22:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

condoms and careless talk

I think I missed the boat on this one. What's all that about? The comments on Mimi were helping a good cause. The Evening Standard had a good headline recently: Murderer Ruined My Life. That made me laugh.--Crestville 14:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Vera has ginger hair in a quiff, a bulbous nose and is made out of wood. Bit like this: 12:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

ALOL Cheeky Fecker! I'll have you know, I'm almost as handsome as you!! Vera, Chuck & Dave 17:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC) BTW, the Cutty Sark bought it today, well as near as damn it.

No, it was the boys and girls from Greenwich - that male stalker looks dead dodgey, lol! Cheers Pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 21:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Girls on your watch? Who makes the tea then? (I fully support the idea of a woman carrying my body over her shoulder down a ladder, BTW. I would ask her out for saving my life...) egde 21:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you jolly well should ask her out! I hope "The Scary One" isn't logged in! Vera, Chuck & Dave 21:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Does she have two large muscles in her nether regions that could crack a walnut? :)) egde 21:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

No you big eejit, I mean Tvoz! Vera, Chuck & Dave 21:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Fer da love of Jaysus, dat's who I was talkin' about. Yer've been too long in that friggin' Oxfordshire in friggin' London, yer 'ave. I fancy dat Tvoz, I do. She cud whisper in my ear'ole all night, she cud. :)) egde 21:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Bejayus! Look wot livin with dem Australians is doin to yer man! Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

User Vera, Chuck & Dave has yet to prove (with photo) what his dog 'Bandit' looks like. It may look like Spotty dog. egde 22:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Long Haired German Shepard

El Bandito

GRRRRRRRRRR! I look like this, just you wait til my Mummy takes me piccy! Bandit

Trouble with vandals and need pages sorted out?

Why are you looking at me? LessHeard vanU 23:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

You the man, you got the driving seat now, and we is knowing that you definitely got the goods. I heartily congratulate you. I enjoyed reading the Support comments, but I felt uneasy at the Oppose comments. There you go; that says it all. :) egde 18:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The oppose reasoning was quite mild compared to the actual policy pages, where the language is much more civil but attitudes are a lot harder. What I got on the oppose was the reaction to my position on the various matters. The diffs were selective to the extreme, but the 'Crat (may his camels multiply) decided that the arguments did not address grounds of unsuitability sufficiently to deny me the tools.

I don't recall Steve or Lar needing much in the way of admin stuff for the Project, but I can do simple things like semi-protect (full protect if need be for a very short while) pages and block persistent vandals. I watch the main article and all the individuals articles, plus one or two others, but if there is any help needed on any others then I can help as well as Steve/Lar. One thing I can't do is close AfD's on any article which I have been involved in - unless it is an obvious abuse of process - and I would have to apply policy in respect of any other Beatles related artice, so I would prefer not to get involved as an admin in case I have to decide to delete (and you know what a policy wonk I am!) For the time being, though, really tech questions are best dealt with by more experienced admins.

Doff your cap? Do you have a cap? Cheers. LessHeard vanU 21:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It was a bold decision by the bureacrat, and a little surprising (but probably the right decision!) and rest assured that the bureacrat in question is an excellent one (as most if not all are, actually).

As for "the Project"... erm... did you ever rejoin? Wouldn't now be the time to rejoin if you didn't? As an admin you need to try and lead by example, including helping find consensus... --kingboyk 10:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

A cap? I'll get one, if I can find one suitable for doffing. Have a drink and a pie on me (with Kingboyk, who likes pies as much as I do). Nice one. egde 23:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I like sausages too. So when do I get an invite to Austria? :P --kingboyk 10:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

An open invitation to all of you: Any of you wonderful people are welcome to spend time in Austria as my guest (don't take that too literally - meaning all-inclusive beer etc.) but I could sort out free accomodation. Linz is a nice little city, and it's only a short 1-2 hour train ride from Vienna or Salzburg. All you have to provide is intelligent conversation and humour. RyanAir flies from Stanstead to Linz these days for 50 cents (plus 60 Euros for airport tax.) Can't say more than that... egde 17:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers cock. Expect me to turn up unannounced at an awkward moment.--Crestville 11:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Cynthia Lennon passed GA

FYI, I've passed Cynthia Lennon as a GA; good work! CloudNine 10:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Good work. You seem to be knocking out GAs like it's kid's work. FAs are proving more difficult. Perhaps you could find and befriend a good copyeditor on wiki, who could help take the GAs to the next level? --kingboyk 12:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Uhh dear, I think that after Mimi I will never darken the FAC doors again. I will explain my feelings fully after it is over (and they are as feisty as always) but I think I'm cut out for the world of GAs. I once said that every Beatles' article (well, maybe not every exactly) should be a GA, and I stand by that. I'm happy where I am... :) I think you admins (plus the rookie Less heard) should go for that stuff. egde 18:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Funnily enough, most admins don't write FAs. Some do. The standards are very high, (alas? or is that a good thing? probably the latter), and it only needs one valid objection to fail (unlike RFA!). I agree with you though, GA is an achievement in itself and less bureacratic, if every important Beatles article got it I'd be more than happy too. --kingboyk 20:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that FAC is about standards (because, in Wiki-reality, there are none) but how those standards are perceived (by the numerous/contradicting powers that be, and who are they?) It almost seems philosophical. I will rant about this later... :)) egde 20:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Beatlefun

As the band, so the project, yes? If that is the case, there are no hard feelings. I couldn't identify this as fun and thought you were speaking in earnest. ;) Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 20:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your reply. It might seem to be serious, but what can fans of a band that ceased to exist in the 1960s do? We're a hopeless case, but we do have fun. Read between the lines, and add some jokes of your own, which will be greatly appreciated. :) egde 20:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Astrid Kirchherr

She was recently refused a GA, as there was supposedly too much about the Fabs in it. I find this perplexing, as there are plenty of Good Articles about one single song from one single band. (I have cleaned up the article and re-nominated it, BTW.) egde 11:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I made a minor edit to the Astrid Kirchherr article. (See edit history) I also noticed an apparent error in it, one I could not correct. In the "Later life" section it says, "In August of 1964 Kirchherr paid her first return visit to Liverpool in 31 years..." Clearly, the year can not be 1964. The source for the statement leads to a schedule for 2007 and I didn't see any mention of Astrid so I couldn't correct the year. — John Cardinal 12:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Well spotted! I didn't put that bit in, but I have now found a bbc.co.uk site that explains it more fully. egde 13:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Astrid Kirchherr

With a lot of hard work, I'm sure it will be a good article in time.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 12:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, right. egde 19:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Mimi Smith

It's a shame to see that everyone's trying to massacre your FAC; have you considered working on some Beatles song articles? I'd be interested to read them :) LuciferMorgan 17:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Lucifer - when George Martin and Astrid Kirchherr get a GA. egde 18:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mimi. No problems on that score, but it was worth a try. Short of finding out that Mimi wrote all the early Lennon songs, or that she was a member of royalty (as I think she liked to imagine) she hasn't got much chance. Ho-hum... The positive side is that the article has been improved by very helpful comments from well-intentioned reviewer(s), so Mimi Smith is now an extremely good Good Article. That will do, IMHO. egde 17:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds very good. I feel you tend to choose articles that are very difficult to get featured. McCartney is such a wide topic that you cannot do him justice in one article, while with Mimi there isn't enough info on her outside of her relationship with Lennon etc. If you do put your hand to song articles me and Kingboyk will be there to give feedback - we both have song FAs to our name :), and also I think if you do do this then you'll be on an FA run. Seriously. LuciferMorgan 13:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I am surprised that there is no mention of Mimi's FA review on the talk page. I thought that was always automatically included as a link to the archive? egde 20:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It's in the template. If you click "Article milestones", it shows the GAC, 2 peer reviews and FAC with a link etc. LuciferMorgan 21:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I thank you, kind sir. egde 21:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

According to this you got just under 200 song articles to take your pick from... :) LuciferMorgan 00:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The Smoking Room

I claim £5 (sod off, Crestville) because I guessed/spotted/heavily suspected—without looking it up—that Selina Griffiths is the daughter of Annette Crosbie, who was in One Foot in the Grave. The resemblance/voice/accent/mannerisms are totally the same. I have thought about this for two weeks, and so I finally looked it up, and I now claim my five quid. egde 19:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles discography

Alright edge? I think your services are needed on the talk page as soon as poss please - I've had a bash, but I gotta go - give Joe a bell too please, see yer soon. Cheers Pal Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

It's easy; just revert it and put a "Fair Use Rationale" on each photo. That used to confuse me a lot until I worked it out. egde 19:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale

The image is a [screenshot/photo/scan] of [Name of person/subject]. The [screenshot/photo/scan] is of lower resolution than the original photo (copies made from it will be of inferior quality). No free or public domain images have been located for this [screenshot/photo/scan]. The [screenshot/photo/scan] does not limit the copyright owners' rights to distribute the photo in any way, and is being used for informational purposes only. Its use is not believed to detract from the original photograph in any way.

I looked at some of the photos and they didn't have it. Put 'em in... egde 18:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Tell you what

Tell you what Andrew, I think that this place is an open air loony bin, the minute someone has written something some arsehole is in saying it's wrong, it's upside down, it's inside out, it's round the wrong way etc, etc, etc. Now there's an arsehole on the Hillsborough disaster page wanting to suggest that the 96 who died were killed because we were all drunk and killed ourselves. If I don't walk away from this I'll get the Command Centre to track him down and then I'll rip his head off and shit in it.

It's been great taking to you and Joe, but I don't know if I'll be back. If I'm not, look after yourself. Take care pal. Best wishes, Vera, Chuck & Dave 01:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Take a break. I must admit that I'm ready for one, and I will take one. I never really understood that Wiki-break stuff, but now I do. I'll wait until Astrid gets a GA, and then leave it for a bit. egde 14:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

A break from Wikipedia is always good - if you don't take one the editing seems to lose its passion and you get the feeling of being burnt out. Let's hope Vera, Chuck and Dave returns after a break :) LuciferMorgan 00:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I thank you both, and I will have a little rest. BTW Tom, there's sumthin on yer user page for yer! Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your questions about Bruce Hornsby

Thank you very much for taking the time to read through the article and offer questions/suggestions. Although I have worked very hard to revise/refine the prose, embarrassingly enough I obviously missed some problematic areas...it's a big help to have another set of eyes look things over. For many of your questions, I can envision pretty speedy corrections...for some others, I wanted to follow-up with you and see what your thoughts are. In all cases, I greatly appreciate you taking the time to look over the article.

Here's my thoughts, item-by-item.:

1. The Lead should be three succint paragraphs (without citations) as all the info in the Lead should be in the article.

I'll get to work on that.

2. What are "fraternity ragers"?

I really don't know, to tell you the truth. I didn't add that part. Since the reference uses that terminology, I could put quote marks around "fraternity ragers" in the article, or I could just paraphrase to fraternity parties (that's my best guess at what it means).

3. "three years writing for 20th Century Fox". What did they write, and for which films?

I did add this info, from a reference, but I could not find any information. Hornsby later contributed songs to films by Ron Howard and Spike Lee, but this early work seems to have gone undocumented. My thought is to leave the "three years writing for 20th Century Fox" since it is from a reference and to hope that somebody else has more luck specifying that at a later time.

4. "Hornsby is the second of three sons born to Lois (Saunier) and Robert S. Hornsby, who was a successful oil and real estate executive in Williamsburg, Virginia. The other sons, Robert "Bobby" Jr., and John Hornsby, are reputable musicians in their own right". Reference?

I did not add this, and I could not find it referenced anywhere. (The same editor to originally add the "fraternity ragers" bit also added this part). I'm thinking it would be best to delete this.

5. "The wave of fame continued to roll"... Oh dear...

Sorry to have not spotted that. (Once again, the same editor from the info under question 4 and question 2). Obviously that can be deleted.

6. There are sentences in "Range years" about The Grateful Dead/Garcia that should be moved. The Grateful Dead are also mentioned in "The solo records" section.

This has been a bit problematic. The bit in the Range years is meant to preface the evolution in sound that Hornsby's third album, according to reviews, marked...the beginnings of his collaborations with the Grateful Dead (from 1988-1990) prefaced this evolution, although he was still with the Range. His "full-time" touring time with the Dead also overlaps with the Range years (1990-1991) a bit. Even after Hornsby left the band in 1992, through very tangible ways (i.e., sitting in with the band from 1992-1995, and then participating in various post-Dead related projects) and in intangible ways (i.e., his performances of Dead songs and homages in his own concerts and records), the Grateful Dead still remained intertwined with his work. I tried to give a flavor for this, while using the chronology of his albums as an organizational point...it didn't seem to work, structurally, to put all Dead-related material in one section. Since the overlaps with his Range and solo careers not only happened, but also greatly influenced what he was doing, I tried for some sort of compromise (have a Dead section, but also have other mentionings).

7. Shouldn't there be a "Session musican" section?

I debated about this myself. One reason that I leaned against it was that, other than that period from 1989 to 1991 or so, Hornsby doesn't really have a "ton" of session work. Before then, it was Sheena Easton, then for those years, he played with pretty much everybody...then, during his solo years, he became much more focused on his own work. Another reason that I leaned against it was that, other than the statements that Hornsby played with X, Hornsby played with Y, I couldn't find very much referenced material to bulk up a Session Musician separate section. Much in the spirit of the answer to question 6, in terms of the mention of the Dead during the Range years, I thought adding the session info there would shed some light on the evolution in sound that his third album and then his later solo albums were embarking upon. Those collaborations, it seems, helped to foreshadow where he would be heading.

I'm a fan by the way, so don't take this as being unkind.

Not at all...it's great to try to make the article the best it can be.

I'd love to hear your thoughts about any or all of these issues...Thanks again...Snidleysnide 20:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I've tried to repair the lead and several of the questions already. Have a look when you get the chance. Cheers, Snidleysnide 21:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the congrats, and thanks for your help and suggestions. Snidleysnide 17:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Uncle Tupelo

Thanks for your comments at Uncle Tupelo. I put in isbn numbers and delinked all of the Kot links aside from the first one. I kept the lead at two paragraphs, since it complies with the recommendations for articles of its length at WP:LEAD. Teemu08 19:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Malcolm Sargent

Thanks for the new images! -- Ssilvers 12:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Does that apply to me on this comment? Because I don't think there is a page for asking if your comment is relevant to the page you are commenting on and if there were it would be redundant because it would answer its own question.--Crestville 15:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Cresty baby

Shurrup Cresty, you're making me laugh :)) (yer gonna get archived yer are... :)) I just wanted to wander about a bit without having lots of discussions/complaints on this page. Anyway, I think it's about time to have a break from being a complete twat with my nose in a book that is balanced on my lap. (I need a back doctor that specialises in spines, because the spines of my books keep falling apart.) After recently getting Astrid Kirchherr a GA I think that I deserve a rest (never mind Macca, Mimi, Julia, Freddie, Neil, Mal, Stuart, Cynthia and Brian, for which I didn't get one single, sodding, effin' LEGAL Barnstar... NO, don't send me one of your bogus ones - the attic is full... :) I will archive this conversation so as not to encourage others. I like having a nice, clean page, and I have to admit my fear of "You have new messages" which I always think are tidings of woe. egde 16:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Can I still leave you messages then? They'll all be really nice. Except for this one, you cunt!--Crestville 15:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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Fuck me, that's amazing. Forget wikipedia, I'm off!--Crestville 13:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh that's just friggin great that! Does this mean that I'll be the only member of the Foxtrot Charlies left?? Swines!! Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Effin' Nora Vera, you have to check it out - I've been peeing me crustys for two days. It's exactly the antidote for Wikipedia that anybody with a sense of humour and a bag of crisps needs. :)) egde 16:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm kiddin yer big eejit yer! I pissed me self reading Firefighter! Read Liverpool! Cheers Our Kid, Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

'ALOL!! You mad fecker! Just read it - BRILLIANT!! Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm still going to stick about on wikipedia, because y'know, facts is fun.--Crestville 16:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

My user page

Please don't come along and change the date of your entries on my page to make the date/time look nonsensical for several hours. Why not just leave it as it is? --Fritzpoll 06:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Because that is what it said on my Austrian clock. Why should I take heed of another time? It would make me very sleepy when I want to wake up :) andreasegde 17:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Lol fair enough :) LuciferMorgan 08:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[[1]] - you like?--Crestville 17:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

:)) andreasegde 14:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)212.241.67.98 14:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The Surreal Barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		When I stumbled across this, I immediately thought of you. According to the spiel it "may be awarded to any Wikipedian who adds "special flavor" to the community by acting as a sort of wildcard", and I definitely think you fulfil that criteria :). Keep up the great work, and the unstoppable humour :) LuciferMorgan 08:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I thank you kindly. andreasegde 02:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)