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Re: Buddy

Well, I work in updates to the thousand per day, but not UTC day but considering when I go to sleep (1-2 UTC) and yesterday I made around 3k edits, today around 2,5k. How did you checked the exact number per day? Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 00:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did spotted under the old header, but was in a hurry ;-) Let's see if I can keep up today :) Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 14:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

20k already? I must hurry! Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 18:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Williams (businessman) article

Hi Andonico, regarding the Ray Williams (businessman) article, a Google News search reveals Ray Williams as a corporate criminal who just got out of jail. A few days ago, someone started re-editing the article (using various user names) to cast a positive light on the article. I put a notice on the Australian Wikipedians Noticeboard, and some other editors, including user:Dihydrogen Monoxide and user:WWGB have responded by helping out to keep a watch on the article. It's really a case of a new single-purpose editor, user:Mooseskin305, and also appearing as an IP address, adding outlandish positive spin to an article about a criminal.Lester 02:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Cannon

I copied from History of cannon. I mentioned that in the preceding summary, as when I was typing the first one, it somehow cut out, as shown by the dangling comma. I could try to rewrite it, if that's better. Justin^Contribs_{User page} 16:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Man, so many people take advantage of Wikipedia's free content. Half the web (I mean the good parts, push aside advertisements and spyware) is information from Wikipedia XD Justin^Contribs_{User page} 16:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Admin Q

You offered help, therefore I ask :-)

I did my first block from a BOT report to AIV. The block was successful and I applied the appropriate block notice to the user's talk page. I see that the row disappeared from AIV but I do not see it in AIV's history page. I thought HBC AIV helperbot3 does the job, or should I do something else I'm missing? -- Alexf^{(Talk/Contribs)} 19:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get it. I did four vandal blocks so far. Of the four, only one shows in AIV's history. Baffled. Is there a proper page where I should ask? -- Alexf^{(Talk/Contribs)} 22:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's one...] can't find the others though. :/ Maybe after blocking, go back to AIV, hit history, go to the revision the user was reported, then skip forward until you find when/by whom they were removed? · AndonicO ^Hail! 22:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly my point. That is the only one that shows. All were done the same way. I checked right after to make sure I'm doing it right. The blocklog for the users shows it fine as it should (and all done by me, not somebody else at the same time). AIV's history only shows one. Go figure. -- Alexf^{(Talk/Contribs)} 22:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something else: User:205.155.32.21 was never reported on AIV. · AndonicO ^Hail! 23:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is one of the four I mentioned. -- Alexf^{(Talk/Contribs)} 23:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bit I don't understand is that I got that user from AIV. That's where I found the report to begin with. Curioser and curioser. I'll eventually figure it out as I do more. I'll take it slow. -- Alexf^{(Talk/Contribs)} 23:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re: Talk:QBasic

Thanks for your message. But I'm sorry that I cannot know what the problem is... My edit only contains example codes of some programs and it was a Talk page only. Would you please explain what I should correct fot it? -- LeeSI (talk) 03:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts to Daniel Boone

Please forgive me my ignorance; I'm still learning. You reverted some edits to the Daniel Boone article and I was wondering why. I'm not questioning your edits, I'm just trying to learn! By the way, after looking at your user page, I see we have a surprising amount of similar interests. I find that rather frightening--I hope I'm not your s*ckp*pp*t in some alternate dimension! Wakedream (talk) 19:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That I didn't understood too. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 19:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, made a mistake with huggle. :( And I do have a massive amount of sockpuppets, so I'm not surprised if you're one. ;) · AndonicO ^Hail! 19:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Poker jargon revert: unconstructive contribution?

I personally found "cowboy" to be a fairly unclear term. Just would like to clarify why you think it's not constructive to add to the poker jargon list.

Collaboration?

Hello AndonicO. I noticed that you sometimes edit around scifi articles, and was wondering if you wanted to collaborate on the Ender's Game articles. They're in pretty bad shape, and I don't want to go it alone. Thanks! Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 03:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, yay. It needs tons of work, thank you! Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 14:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: english

Yeah lol, i've left a source on the talk page of phoenix wiki's work shop one. Sunder land 06 13:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should i put it after this They were first used in China, and were the earliest form of gunpowder artillery. Sunder land 06 14:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thanks for the message :) -- The Helpful One ^(Talk)^{(Contribs) (Review)} 15:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IRC

Hi there,

Do you go on IRC?

If so, join ##Thehelpfulone so I can ask you a few questions about the TSquad :)

-- The Helpful One ^(Talk)^{(Contribs) (Review)} 16:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey!

Stop beating me to reverts! Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 20:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL Ha! Made stop to read your Messages! Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 20:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah I forgot you could do that :P Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 20:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 20:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

XD Hey Thanks Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 20:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Me too Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 20:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a break

I'm taking a break to work on this. It's a wiki about the wikimedia servers. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 20:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mast3r Betty

Sure about this username block? He's asking for unblock. I can see what you're thinking, but I think it's a stretch. If you'd really like we can have a username RFC. Daniel Case (talk) 21:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

Hi, Phoenix-Wiki recommended me to come. Also, I have an FAC right now, not sure if that would qualify for the 20 FA's you guys want to make, though. xihix(talk) 00:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I talk to him in IRC a lot. So, any FA's I make from joining now and onwards counts? Interesting, I'm thinking about working on Soundgarden soon. xihix(talk) 00:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright then, sounds cool. Thanks! xihix(talk) 00:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This Guy...

I find this user to have an interesting backlog. Could you check it out? -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 00:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fcee80

29 years? LOL. Corvus cornix_talk 00:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How odd. What happened to indefinite? Corvus cornix_talk 00:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, maybe. :) Corvus cornix_talk 01:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minority rights

In a message to me you have mentioned that one of my edits "appears to be unconstructive" and was reverted. 1. The links that were in the article before that edit, were dead. Please prove it. 2. You have reverted two more my edits. Please, be careful.89.201.97.67 (talk) 02:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged vandalism

Just curious: How do you classify the addition of tags requesting cites/attribution as "vandalism"? - JasonAQuest (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

???WTF deleted...WHY?

Did you read my explanation? I was gonna rename it!GIVE YOUR MAMA SOME SUGAR! (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ADHD edit

I replaced the blog item about the newly published paper with a newly created Wikipedia article that had much material from the newly published paper as well as 2 links to the blog item. From the Wikipedia page one can find all the sources, and from the blog item one can't find the Wikipedia article. So I thought the Wikipedia page was the better reference. This is not a negative judgment on the blog post, which is cited twice in the Wikipedia article. Channel4 (talk) 03:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which was unsuccessful with 19 support, 18 oppose, and 5 neutral. I have signed up for admin coaching and will retry later on in a couple more months.

Thanks for your moral support on the RfA. You and Daniel should have gotten a pretty good laugh when someone nominated me for admin the day after our conversation. I was really taken back by the nomination and I pretty much knew I needed more than 4 months of service on Wikipedia before I could become an admin. I've signed up for admin coaching in hopes I can make fewer mistakes between now and my next RfA. I felt like I've been on Wikipedia Steroids since October 2007 when I came back and it's been great so far.

(Thinking on a tangent) Please see if you can help out with getting WP:ROBO set up with me. I've been pretty much looking at what WP:FLA and WP:UNI has been doing, but there's just some things so much one editor can do before the editor makes a fatal mistake somewhere... Anyways, thanks again for your support.

Another side note, please comment here on where and when you would like your next Florida meetup. I'm thinking some time in March around Spring Break maybe?

- Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 04:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with warning templates

When we revert vandalism by someone who already received a level 4 warning, any other warnings make it seem like, "Oh, we didn't really mean it when we said that was your last warning," like the parent who says, "This is the last time I'm going to tell you" five times before taking action. What about something like this:[1]. I'd like some feedback on this as a possible template for non-admins to use when they revert past a level 4 warning. Thanks. Doczilla (talk) 10:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. That makes sense, although I also think that getting any notices after the level 4 warning will make them cocky. A number of them will make comments about how those level 4 warnings didn't appear to matter. Maybe something like this could be tested on a small scale to see what difference it made, if any. Doczilla (talk) 10:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah, I just remembered my other big reason for suggesting this: So any admin responding to the AIV could see at a glance that the level 4 warning was for a violation earlier than the last one. Doczilla (talk) 10:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

VP has the warnings built in too, which is part of what made me think about what happens after they've been reported. Admins can't always get to them right away while other vandalism keeps happening. Doczilla (talk) 10:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks for mentioning HUG. It looks interesting. VP has a few quirks that bother me, so I'll definitely check HUG out. Doczilla (talk) 10:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:We'd still have to check through the user's contributions to make sure the that the warnings were valid, and that the user vandalized after the last warning. Very true. However, I've seen admins who don't check quite carefully enough. More than once I've seen admins get thrown off when vandals removed warnings from their pages. This is a separate issue, of course, but it does make me conscious of the fact that some admins need it laid out more clearly for them. Doczilla (talk) 10:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your feedback. I really appreciated our exchange of thoughts on this last night/this morning. A majority of the feedback I got favored it but not a clear consensus, so at the suggestion of User:Master of Puppets, I've opened the discussion up at WT:AIV#Past-last_warning. Doczilla (talk) 03:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Around the World.../Mad scientist

I don't want to cause an edit war, but the character is clearly portrayed as the "mad scientist archetype" (i'm not saying he's insane). Most "mad scientists" are simply eccentric, especially in family films such as this (take the father from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, for example - he's a "mad scientist" but not insane). It's an archetype: I am a screenwriting student and understand that vast generalisations are made when stereotyping characters. I'm not saying the Fogg in the film is actually mad, but that he has a lot of stereotypes of the "mad scientist archetype", which is what the "mad scientist" wikipage is actually talking about. It makes perfect sense to link it, in my opinion...maybe if not a "mad scientist", could you agree a link to the "Absent-minded_professor" page? Really Fogg is a mix of the two, but more centred around the mad professor, but I'd agree to the "absent-minded_professor" link if you find the "mad scientist" one offensive (offense should not be taken into consideration on wikipedia anyway - simply the facts and the facts show Fogg shared a lot in common with the "mad scientist" archetype). 82.10.123.204 (talk) 10:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The acid house

Hi my dear friend, i reverted your edit since, as a matter of fact, he DOES have to watch his dad beeing sodomized with a strap on by his mother. I would like you to stop vandalizing the article. Thanks! --89.60.211.60 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User Mikekay3 vandalized after your final warning

cf. http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Naruto_Uzumaki&diff=prev&oldid=187459721

I think he needs to be blocked from editing. Thanks. Xenocidic (talk) 18:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Skysurfing

you did badly moving the edition back :/ 217.153.175.114 (talk) 18:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question.

hi -I am very confused about why my edits were vandalism? Can you explain? I am hoping to do some editing on poetry-related material, but maybe I should go elsewhere? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intel99 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am getting deleted back and forth by two people now! I am trying to expand poetry coverage but I am unsure as to why adding a reference to a poem is not allowed? Can you explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intel99 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed

Hi, you had a problem with Template:User contrib in User:AndonicO/Selected Userboxes that was visible on the main userpage, I fixed it by removing a comma - it wasn't needed anyway since the template inserts one automatically. I hope that's what you wanted. -- Menti fisto 22:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

how to add subjects for wikipedia

i want to know if you could make new subjects for wikipediaRi0k2008 (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)please answer me at usertalk:ri0k2008[reply]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

Not YOU AGIAN!!!! :P

~~:Still, there was no change article wise Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)~~ [reply]

opps! Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GAH!!!! 20000+!!!!!!!!!!! you make me jealous! Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I put that on the wrong page :P Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, what would you think of me if I were to RfA? Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't give Barnstars....

Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

...I give COOKIES!!!!!! Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 01:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. That was exactly what I was looking for. I will continue to work on my skills for the time being. I wasn't going to put in for one right now anyway. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 01:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OH GOD AN FA!!!!*panics* :P (kidding) Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 01:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFCN

Hey AO, I have asked for further discussion about the RFCN username you blocked (Adminster), you may want to comment there. Cheers, and have a nice day, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

D B Cooper

Do not patronise me. "Unconstructive" edit?

"Vector 23" is meaningless and makes Wikipedia look silly.

"Victor 23" means something to every pilot and plenty of other folks as well.

Last time I bother, for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.140.121 (talk) 17:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is it me..

..or is Huggle not working? Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Failed to load whitelist. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IRC, of course, how else do I always beat you. :D Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

cries Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 00:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huggle

We need to contact gurch and DerHexer. DerHexer's JS tool only adds a level to the previous warning. So with huggle It will subst: uw-Huggle 1-4 which results in ugly red text. I am telling you this because you happened to revert twice before me in which cases the same thing happened twice. See Diff Thedjatclubrock :) ^(T/C) 03:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huggle does not add warnings with templates, but has to pretend it does in comments after the warnings in order that certain tools parse them correctly. Thus I had to create placeholder templates with messages explaining not to use them. Due to DerHexer's failure to fix it, I've temporarily changed them to redirects. However, these are not templates, please do not use them. And how about actually contacting me rather than just writing "We need to contact gurch" and expecting me to have some sixth sense that instantly tells me my name is being mentioned? – Gurch 11:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I already contacted you (gurch) via IRC, I was just informing AndonicO. I just haven't been able to contact DerHexer. Thedjatclubrock :) ^(T/C) 20:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: User talk:24.17.171.103

All your edits have been re-added, and I've added you to the "ignore" list for huggle (the main anti-vandalism program here), so hopefully you won't be reverted much anymore. · AndonicO Hail! 01:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you haven't. Huggle does not add anonymous users to the whitelist, and I have no intention of making it do so – Gurch 11:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: RFC

Please note that I have agreed with you on the current RFC for Usernames. Just thought you might want to know that I am supporting you. Dusti^talk 19:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please Explain

Why art thou pessimistic? Cheers. Dewie Shannon (talk) 01:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but maybe I'll understand. And how can pessimism be enjoyable - its the antithesis of enjoyable. Everything's evil and bad, where nothing's enjoyable or happy in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dewie Shannon (talk • contribs) 01:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Ray Williams (businessman) onslaught

Hi AndonicO. Just wondering what can be done about the onslaught of vandalism on the Ray Williams (businessman) article and talk page. It seems to be a stream of recently started accounts, including user:Dewie Shannon (you've been talking to him 2 posts above this one) and user:Mooseskin305 who just vandalized the talk page. When a post by 'Mooseskin305' was re-signed, it came up as user:Dewie Shannon, so I assume they are one and the same editor. Thanks, Lester 03:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heya AO. I hope I didn't stand on any toes with this edit. If you have any questions or would like a more detailed rationale, feel free to ask me. I read the article and while the rest is OK, that one stood out as being overly-negative, overly-accusatory and implied wrongdoing on Williams' part (despite the findings of Wood in the Royal Commision). Cheers, Daniel (talk) 07:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent Request

Dear AndonicO, I never thought I would have to do this. I, after a lengthy discussion, have been recalled as an administrator. (I know this isn't the time for humor, but recall drama just seems to follow me around.) Per my requirements, the request is valid. I hereby request that you clerk proceedings, if you so desire. Thank you. Regretfully, Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 07:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA

Thanks! It was three months ago, so I have worked out how to do things by now. Hut 8.5 21:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks from Happy-melon

I just wanted to say thanks for your support for my RfA, which closed (74/2/0) this morning. Your comment and support was very much appreciated. Happy‑melon 14:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

30k

You're on. :D Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 03:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to move more quickly or I will fail :( Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 03:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, you'll be on 100k by the time I we hit 30k. :P · AndonicO ^Hail! 09:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Denim

The word 'denim' is of French origin (please see the article). Could you tell me how putting this page in the 'French words and phrases' category constitutes vandalism? Thanks.

Unknown Unknowns (talk) 13:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: WP:AIV

No problem!

The wonderful huggle helps with the reporting! ;)

--The Helpful One 18:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL!!! Perhaps you should keep on the look out for an RFA of mine, I don't know when I will get one, but be ready to Support ;) --The Helpful One 19:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, forgot about the Canvassing! Sorry :) --The Helpful One 19:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

29 years

Maybe that will give 'm a chance to read the polices and guidelines!

LOL Dloh cierekim Deleted? 19:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

pfffffftttt. That's the sound of Dr. Pepper as it exits incorrectly. So, you're saying he can't edit until he's 34? How rude. :). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocking schoolkids for 20-30 years is one of life's greatest pleasures... Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 22:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed; I especially like the ones that cry about it afterwards. :P · AndonicO ^Hail! 01:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting Terrorism

Hi, regarding your edit on Khalistan, you may or may not be aware that it is a criminal offense to either support directly or otherwise terrorist activities via the net?

The Khalistan movement and terrorists in general have been using the internet more recently since the 'War on Terror' You notice there are no religious be-headings of westerners or other propaganda allowed on Wiki but by removing the references of illegal activities cited by both US and EU Governments, and allowing unfiltered and disinformative propaganda, you are in fact supporting terrorist agenda(s).

Please explain

[2] He did 4 twice in two separate 24 hour periods, how is this not a violation? He spent all weekend reverting me and being nasty so I'm curious how 2 separate violation in 2 24 hour periods isn't a violation. Would you mind explaining because I see it twice. I even see 5 violations in a single 24 hour period.KellyAna (talk) 02:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bless you, bless you!! He has said horrid things to me, about me, and all that. I don't report for incivility cause we all get bitchy sometimes, but this was a clear policy violation and he did it all weekend. Thank you for the "time out" you gave him. KellyAna (talk) 02:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]