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We claim VadalProof in it.wiki too !!

Hi AmiDaniel, I'm an italian wikipedian. I've seen some screenshot of your tool, and I wish to import it into it.wiki. I've discovered (just today) that you're making it available on multiple wikis, could we be included into the list? In negative case I'll copy and modify it by myself :-P Bye and thanks --Jalo 15:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC) PS: if you write in my italian talk i'll reply sooner.

Obviously, in order to translate it, I need the source code :-P --Jalo 17:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the interwiki VP project sort of ... ummm .... died, for the simple reason that VP was constructed initially as a single-wiki application and reconstructing it to be interwiki-compatible proved far too dificult. A sister project, m:WikiMonitor, however, will hopefully be going beta soon, and it will be quite capable of supporting _any_ wiki in _any_ language (that is, actually, the primal goal of the project). Your help could certainly be used there. Assuming I encounter no further setbacks, I should hope to make initial releases available quite soon. AmiDaniel (talk) 18:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Question about Vandalproof:

I just clicked on a link to the vandalproof page & noticed your name there. I've never heard of the programme before & was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions about it. 1)Can anyone use it? 2)It sounds exactly like the tools sysops use - Are they? 3)If so, do you have to be screened/elected to be able to use the tools or do you have to already be a sysop? 4)If vandalproof is like being an admin, why doesn't everyone just download the vandalproof file rather than go to RfA? any other info would be helpful... :) Thanks, Spawn Man 08:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

One:Yes, but you must be approved. 2)Nope, sysops tools are built into MW software. Their actions are logged publicly. 3)You must have 250 good edits or be a sysop. 4) Because it isnt. You get to delete pages, ban users, edit protected pages, etc. (See Wikipedia:Administrators for more.) Hope that helps. ffm ✎t 00:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Aye, and I be a pirate with but one question for ye: does yer doohickey work for wikie users who use a Mac? If not, do ye plan to adapt it for us scurvy dogs?

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No, it does not work with '''mac'''intosh. Try using bootcamp, buy Windows and get Vandal Fighter or Wikipedia:MWT, or download Ubuntu Linux and get Wikipedia:MWT. ffm ✎t 00:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

VPRF Moderation

How can I (or even can I) request to become a VPRF Moderator?  ~Steptrip 00:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, would it be ok to let Froth back, assuming I actually explain what to do this time? I will monitor him. Prodego ^talk 03:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

What is recdec?  ~Steptrip 10:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, we're currently debating doing away with the moderation system altogether; however, until that time, I'm really quite unconcerned with who has access and who does not. Prodego: Feel free to add/remove whoever you feel necessary from the list (I presume you know how; if not, email me), and if there's any controversy about any of your decisions let people know to contact me. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I do. The backlog situation seems to have resolved itself with Xyrael's becoming active again, so we should be good. At Steptrip: That should not have been there, just gibberish. Prodego ^talk 19:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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I want to run VandalProof in the catalan wikipedia. I'm ca:user:Albertsab. What i must do? Thx 62.14.151.159 16:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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VP

I had made a request to register a while back, and was accepted, however I still get the message that I am not on the list (I don't think it has to do with the user list being corrupt because I have never been able to activate it). Can you make sure that I was added to the list? Or if not what could I do? Baristarim 00:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Your website

I have to inform you that www.amidaniel.com is currently unavailable. Both the forum, the website and VP's download link. Happy editing, Snowolf ^(talk) _CON ^COI - 23:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I've uploaded my version, which has custom bottons, useful only for me, and my stats, but I haven't managed to remove 'em, to rapidshare, as temporary version for who needs to download it. I'm putting a link in the talk page. Snowolf ^(talk) _CON ^COI - 23:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

See http://amidaniel.com/ ... I'm aware, and I'll hopefully have it fixed soon. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Read. I want to express my opinions regard it. I suggest that you consider installing a different CMS, like Drupal, Joomla or MkPortal. The last two can be connected with SMF. Joomla with a bridge, MkPortal's integration with SMF is build in the CMS, it's designed to handle SMF/phpBB/ipb/vbulletin. Also, I've registered to the bug tracker, and I suggest that you add VP2 as product ;-). BTW, are there any news regarding WikiMonitor? Snowolf ^(talk) _CON ^COI - 20:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, postNuke is shit, but I really can't stand Joomla or Mambo .. or really any other CMS that I've seen. I'm really thinking about just doing a MediaWiki as the start page, unless I can find something better. The only problem with that route is that people then have to register for bugs, smf, mailing lists, _and_ the wiki, which is sort of a pain in the ass. Is VP2 not added as a product? I thought I had .. perhaps I forgot to set it public. Feel free to post bugs, although it may be some time before the devs get on board (or bugs may be abandoned for another system, though at the moment I really like it). Re: WikiMonitor, nothing at the moment .. I'm absolutely swamped and am not sure when I'll get around to it. As stated on m:Talk:WikiMonitor, I really don't have much work left to do for beta, it's just a question of whether I get to it or not. AmiDaniel (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I personally dislike CMSs in general. I use a basic HTML page, or a CMS system of my own design, when I am doing things like that. The other one was, though, horrible. There were 404 errors left, right, center and everywhere else; it was hard to understand and even harder to navigate. *shudder* Ale_Jrb^talk 21:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I generally do too, but I at first sort of liked postNUKE because it was so simple--before long it just became a mess. I dunno .. I'll make up my mind soon. For now, the plain little notice will have to do. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Re. VP Site

Hi there,

I do indeed have a backup copy of VP 1.36, as well as a copy of all of them since 1.22 which was uploaded accidentally, so that will be fine. I signed up for the mailing list and bugs, so yeh. Ale_Jrb^talk 21:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Great, well, let me see if I can dig them up off my old ftp, but in not, I'll need you to e-mail me the 1.36 source. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

your page is backlogged...

I got a qustion. How come this page is backlogged and nobody was there to approve/reject users for VanalProof.--PrestonH^{(Sandbox) • (Sign Here!)} 00:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Because I havent gotten around to approving users yet. Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 00:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Ohhh :( I'm sorry you got stuck with all the grunt work, Beta. I wish I could help out, but I'm just swamped at the moment. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Please don't feel rushed. Just giving a heads up on the approval page :).--PrestonH^{(Sandbox) • (Sign Here!)} 01:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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Dear AmiDaniel, I was approved to use VP.Recently I changed my Username from User:Mustafa Akalp to User:Makalp. Now I cant use program. Please help for solution. Regards.Must.^{T C} 17:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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VP 1.36e

I have a fully revised version of 1.36 complete with fixes and changes such as the AIV issues we discussed, and a few other things that managed to move themselves into that version by accident... Unto where shall I send it? Ale_Jrb^talk 14:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

If you could please e-mail the src and a compiled binary (in a zip preferably) to dccannon _at_ cs (dot) unm (dot) edu (gmail no likey zip files) it would be much appreciated. Unfortunately I have no compiler on hand at the moment as my other laptop is nowherez to be found (actually I know where it is, but it's not here..). On another note, I'll have phpCollab up soon and hopefully a web-based interface for my subversion repository. The shell version is already up, so if you want to just ssh into it to upload, I can gladly give you a login. The web-based version should be a hell of a lot easier to use though. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, on second thought, now that phpCollab's back up, why don't you just toss it there? AmiDaniel (talk) 05:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I've uploaded it there, but not a compiled version... shall I upload that as well then? Also, as phpCollab won't let me create tasks, I have created a discussion with the changes etc. Just to let you know. Ale_Jrb^talk 09:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

If you could, that would be great -- I left a note on phpCollab to this effect as well. Looked over the code, and it all looks fine to me. AmiDaniel (talk) 10:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

As an update, I dug up my old comp, compiled, and uploaded it (and I also did some work on WikiMonitor! [3]), so there's no need for you to compile it. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Danny

I am sorry to have given that appearance, but had I yielded it would have been a purely superficial gesture; Danny is such a high-profile editor that none of the other bureaucrats is truly more disinterested than I in this matter. I believe that I have made an impartial decision; the agreement of several bureaucrats confirms my belief. — Dan | talk 03:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

To unprotect the Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday page

Hi some time back you protected the Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday, please can you open it back up because we have now created another page by the name of Swaminarayan Sampraday but the name you have blocked is the full name so we just want it redirected back to our page with no revert wars.

Thank you

Raj - सनातन धर्म 12:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with the GFDL. As I now count it, there are three article forks with three unique histories, all about the same thing (this assuming there are no forks I do not currently know about). When you disagree with your fellow editors on something, DO NOT WP:POVFORK^{fixed by ffm ✎talk} THE ARTICLE! This is not a solution, but rather an even greater mess--indeed, this is why the redirect was protected in the first place, to help prevent such article forking. At present I do not see any reasonable way to merge these histories together, and I certainly do not have the time to fix it right now. I'm currently quite inclined to just AfD the whole lot of them, as these articles been nothing but headaches from the start and contribute very little to the encyclopedia. In the future, when you think a page needs to be at another name, use the "move" tab to do it--if you are unable to move the page, request that an administrator move it. If there is disagreement about where to move the article to, do not move it until a consensus can be reached. But for the love of god, do not just copy and paste the contents of the article into a new page at a different name. This is a violation of the attribution terms of the GFDL, and is an absolute nightmare to fix. I'm not going to do anything about this right now, I'll just say that I'll get to this when I do. AmiDaniel (talk) 20:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok the reason why there are a few different pages is because they all have different subject headings and this was a censures decision taken by Sfacts administrator to split all the page so it prevents edit wars, all I want you to do now is un-block the Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday page and redirect it to the Swaminarayan Sampraday page which is very simple.

Raj - सनातन धर्म 23:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

You might want to familiarize yourself with wikipedia's policies. Consensus is decided by users of it, not by some other orginization, since noone but the WMF owns articles. ffm ✎talk 23:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, what you're asking me to do is a very simple task; however, performing that task does not resolve the blatant GFDL violations of these articles. If this forking was suggested by another administrator (I'm not familiar with the name "Sfacts"), please have him contact me. Before I'm going to begin unprotecting articles and screwing with redirects, however, I need for the GFDL attribution concerns to be addressed, which, frankly, is not "very simple". AmiDaniel (talk) 01:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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Please. This article contains an error what needs to be corrected. Someone has protected this article and so I can't edit it. Please set the protect free. Thanks. Grumpanelli 13:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The article's currently only semi-protected. Assuming you just recently registered your account, you may have to wait a couple more days, but then you will be able to edit the article normally. AmiDaniel (talk) 19:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for setting this article free. Grumpanelli 15:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Grumpanelli, AmiDaniel did not unprotect it, you just had an account for about 4 days, thus making your account able to edit semi-protected pages. ffm ✎talk 15:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Grumpanelli 19:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually I unprotected it, however, even if it had remained protected, you would have been able to make the edit, if you did it at the same time, because your account reached 4 days old. Prodego ^talk 21:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Username change

Hey AD. I've got my username changed (as you can probably see) and would appreciate an update of the various VandalProof places as I assume I will have lost my mod powers (and access at all, I guess). Thanks. —Sean / 09:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Everything done but the SMF account. Prodego ^talk 21:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

SMF name is now changed. Account details should have been emailed to you xyr .. erm ... Sean :). AmiDaniel (talk) 02:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Your Wiki

Since it is a private wiki, why don't you install a feature similar to WikiTruth's, which disables account creation and editing by anonymous IPs? No hard feelings about the ad-infinitum block, I just didn't know that it was a private wiki.  ~Steptrip 01:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually I can guess based on a conversation I had with AmiDaniel. (And you wouldn't need to install anything, just make some configuration changes). It is easier to let users create accounts that can't do anything (you should not have been able to edit) and change their rights to make them "join", rather then creating an account for anyone who needs to join via email. So really he didn't need to block you I suppose, unless he abandoned the idea of restricting editing because of an error message, and you could edit. Ignore that last sentence Steptrip, it is mainly to cover me if I am wrong ;) Prodego ^talk 02:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

No, editing's still disabled, but blocking just gave me an extra sense of security :). Account creation is now disabled, so hopefully I won't have any more problems. Sorry about the confusion, though I may put up a sandbox wiki sometime in the near future, which you'll be welcome to have at. AmiDaniel (talk) 02:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Jeffrey Newman Identity Crisis

Thanks so much. I will follow both your suggestions. 172.212.75.134 08:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC) Ah - your e-mail? How do I know that? Or will Pipex reach you here?85.210.255.81 08:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Why does my IP address vary?85.210.255.81 08:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Awaiting a reply, please. I'd rather go down the Pipex than Trufina route - partly because of the limitation noted about the latter's American provenance.85.210.255.81 01:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies, I was not online when you posted this. Please have Pipex contact me at dccannon _at_ cs _dot_ unm _dot_ edu (with the _dot_'s and _at_'s naturally replaced by '.' and '@'), and please also send me an e-mail from your pipex account. Again, I'm not going to guarantee that the account will be usurped, but with proof of your identity, I'll gladly address it to the devs. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I've only just found my way back to you. Jo Mabel was also helping and suggested I went to Meta:Developer (something like that) which I did via his page but he's closed down and I now can't find my way back! These 24 hr. Wiki days, where change occurs all the time, are so difficult for 'newbies' to work with. I do want to get back, however, as myself - and will eventually do so. The next step will be to follow this up - so I do hope you can leve it here for a while, since I have to figure out all the dots and dashes - and that won't be today. Jeffrey Newman 85.210.255.81 13:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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My login has been blocked by you...

Hi, My main username for Wikipedia was blocked by you...It is Digitalmk...I just would like to know why becuase I have never posted or edited anything, just browsed and read articles...thanks for any information you can give me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Digitalmk20 (talk • contribs).

Apparently, you were indefinatly blocked. I would recommend making a new account, since you (apparently) don't have any edits under the old one. ffm ✎talk 21:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Your username was blocked by me 8 months ago (log) for its similarity to the username User:Digitalme. Please consider changing your username to something that bears less resemblance to "Digitalme". Thanks. AmiDaniel (talk) 21:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

About VandalProof

What criteria does it use to suspicious edits?

And also, it would be great if we could have a system that marked some edits as safe (by voting, I guess) to not having all vandalfighters to look at the same edits all the time.

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Note that CINEGroup, who has requested use of the software, has been blocked from using Wikipeida for 24 hours because of disruptive behavior. Read about it here. Should someone like this be using your software? Just a heads up. MiFeinberg 20:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The da Vinci Barnstar

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		I hereby award you the da Vinci Barnstar for your excellent work on VandalProof and WikiMonitor, both of which are amazing tools for fighting vandalism. Pyrospirit Shiny! 00:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

VandalProof question...

Hello there. An editor recently placed a "serious warning" for "Blatant vandalism" on my talkpage using Vandalproof. It was perfectly obvious that my small edit was not vandalism, as i explained it in detail on the discussion page and later his talk page, and infact made the article more clear and accurate. I do not wish to impune his reputation, but it is pretty clear to me that he was using this vandalism tag to intimidate new users from editing a page he regularly edits. My question is: is Eurocopter tigre entitled to use this software or feature? It seems his talk page states that his application was turned down... In any case, entitled or not, I believe this user is using this software to persue an edit war against those who disagree with his inclusion of the EU on various lists of countries. Please ignore or delete this if this is not an appropriate place for this little problem. Or if you're busy doing something useful! Best regards, Nick. 195.137.96.79 02:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Drawing your attention...

Hi there. Just wanted to draw your attention to this message, that the accused user keeps removing:

Chrisch 04:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Protected-reason

You created this template, but the same thing can be accomplishd with {{pp-protected}} using the reason= parameter. Nothing transcludes the one you created and nothing links to it. Would you mind if the one you created were redirected to the other one, or deleted? CMummert · talk 18:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that was created before the new pp templates. Now deleted. AmiDaniel (talk) 19:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

OP Checking

Hi,

nmap will tell you that a given host has one or more http-related open ports. After that, how do you confirm that the host is actually an open proxy? The straightforward way would be to send an actual request to each open port, to retrieve a page from Google or Wikipedia. Is there a better way? --Gribeco 18:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

In most cases, actually sending a request to the proxy is really not necessary (and many of these proxies I'd be terrified out of my mind to connect to); if you can identify services like squids or unfiltered http proxies, that's usually more than enough evidence to block it. In many cases, simply resolving the host will tell you everything you need to know (i.e., if the host resolves to a tor gateway). If you really feel that you need to connect to it to be sure, then probably wgetting google through it is the best way (though, please, keep iptraf running in the background, and close the connection if anything fishy happens -- a lot of these open proxies, like the myspace proxies that have started popping up, are really just tricks to infect more hosts). I unfortunately do not know of any better way to conclusively check proxies, and while a successful page request through the proxy pretty much proves that it is open, failing to get a successful page request in no way proves that it is not. Sorrry I can't help more. AmiDaniel (talk) 19:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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Just in case you aren't aware, a policy was recently implemented by the Wikimedia Foundation, regarding access to nonpublic data (see [4]) Please note if you do not comply with these rules you should remove yourself from OTRS volunteering where your name is listed. Otherwise, please ignore this message :) Kind regards, Majorly (hot!) 17:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

cough. :) AmiDaniel (talk) 21:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Your test wiki

Can you give me sysop on it? I just want it. --Pupster21 Talk To Me 23:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC) PS I meet the requirements for VP, but I have no response)

VP

It won't let me unzip the folder. It says instert last disk of multi-disk set to continue. --Pupster21 Talk To Me 12:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

User abusing vandalproof for edit-warring & non-vandalism reversions

Hi, the user User:Purgatory Fubar has been reported at WP:ANI for persistent abuse of vandalism tools. User has been "edit-warring" and using VP for quick revert purposes. Attempts to engage in discussion on his user page have been reverted, again using vandalproof.

Examples:

• [5] - no explanation of random revert with vp given

• [6] user warning given with vp, despite no vandalism having occurred anywhere

• [7] attempt to discuss issue on user's talk page ignored and reverted using vp

• [8] same again

• [9] again removing attempted user talk page discussion using vp

• [10] using vandalism reversion with vp to revert non-vandalism edit on another article

• [11] when the other user clears *their* user talk page suddenly its vandalism and he uses vp to revert

• [12] he issues a "last warning" to the user with vp

• [13] another article - vp revert to non-vandalism edit

• [14] another article - vp revert to non-vandalism edit

• [15] attempt to "block" the user as a vandal (subsequently removed by administrators [16] and given warning by User:Ryan Postlethwaite [17])

• [18] removing valid warnings (abuse of vandalism templates) from user talkpage without expln, using vp revert

• [19] - removing valid warnings from somebody else's talkpage without expln, using vp revert

I also posted this at the VP abuse page. Hope you can drop him a note or 2... Cheers. 86.27.68.151 21:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Daniel

I am contacting you about VandalProof. When I press the button that automatically places {{anon}} on their usertalk produces ==Welcome!== ==Welcome!== or two headers. Please email me or respond on my talk page thanks! WikiMan53 talk / sign? 00:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Mr. (Daniel is the first name, he isn't "Ami Daniel") actually, but whatever. We (at least I anyway) know about that, and it should be fixed in the next version, assuming I bother the SVN devs enough. Until then, you can edit CustomButtons.txt, and make the the change locally. Prodego ^talk 01:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, see the last entry at de:Ami -- that's where the Ami comes from :D. We'll try to get this fixed in the next release; however, Michael and Alex seem to have disappeared, and I have no time whatsoever presently for VP or WikiMonitor. Unfortunately, I fear all bug fixes may have to wait at least a week in both projects. AmiDaniel (talk) 05:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh my gosh :( I'm so sorry! Do you think you can answer my question please? I'm still sorry! WikiMan53 talk / sign? 13:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

See my message: "Until then, you can edit CustomButtons.txt, and make the the change locally.". Prodego ^talk 16:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

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Gosh, what happened there? Extranet ^talk 01:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Compromised admin account. It's been sorted out. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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		Great job reverting the Main page so fast, it may have been easy but it was important that you fixed it so fast!

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Thanks :). It was just sheer luck that I happened to notice; who really deserves a barnstar is Mark_Ryan, who logged into the account and changed the password at the speed of light :). AmiDaniel (talk) 02:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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Please see my comment there.Geni 16:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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secure login server

Granted that not all can use it, could administrators, etc, be forced there for password and email changes? ("You cannot change this here, you have to log into the secure server." This would also stop a bunch of the "open keyboard" problems, as finding an admin-powered keyboard would only allow the usurper (who doesn't know the password) to commit temporary mayhem, not set himself up for more in the future.) Security is a pain, if we could only get rid of the users we'd have a prayer. ;) htom 23:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

What's presently being discussed is a mechanism to allow session data to be transferred from the secure to the http server, and then requiring all users to log-in (but not edit) from that server. Still no word yet on if or when this is going to happen, though, and it's relatively low on the priority list. See bugzilla:9816 and its dependents for more information about the security changes being implemented. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll wander over there and see if I can contribute. htom 03:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Mmmmph. Not really a Bugzilla user, and not sure how to proceed. I'll toss what I was going to leave there here, and if you think it worthwhile, please forward it to the appropriate list: "How about requiring, after the user attempts to change their password, email address, or both, that they then log into the HTTPS server, and complete the change request if they succeed in the HTTPS login? If they don't succeed in the login, then the change shouldn't be allowed and the attempt recorded, at least in the user's talk page, so that they know an attempt was made. I will guess that this should create only a small increase in traffic in the HTTPS server, but could prevent the damage propagations we saw today. The wait for the login slows down automatic attempts, and as well, a keyboard left open can't then create password or email damage." Thanks, htom 03:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)