User talk:Amexos

Gyurcsány Feri Bácsi

"Uncle Frankie" as defined by Msoos... :-)

Helló! Neked is elmondom, amit el szoktam mindenkinek: Kérlek az egyértelműen jobb (MIÉP, Hír TV, stb) média üzeneteit ne rakd fel a lapra. Az a helyzet, és én ezt *nagyon* szomorúnak találom, hogy én írtam a Feri bácsi lapjának 99%-át, és a jobbosok, ahelyett, hogy adnánank hozzá (pl: milyen nyelveken beszél, milyen konferenciákon volt, milyen tisztségeket adományoztak neki, milyen a közgazdasági reformelképzelése, stb), azon vannak, hogy úgy 'helyesbítsenek' egy-egy mondatot, hogy az rossz fényt vessen rá. Azt Te is beláthatod, hogy ez a hozzáállás csak vitákhoz vezet, adni nem ad hozzá semmit a cikkhez. Tehát Téged is arra kérlek, hogy próbálj inkább konstruktívan hozzáállni a témához. Előre is köszi, Máté /UI: Én sem vagyok MSZP-s, úgyhogy én sem kedvelem Feri bácsit, nehogy azt hidd/ (Msoos 08:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC))[reply]

If you keep on putting that piece of untrue and not backed up claim in to Ferenc Gyurcsány, it *will* get reverted, and in case you are persistent, you will also be banned for vandalism. You won't be the first that get banned because of this. Instead of doing this, please consider what I have written above, and put in informations that are interesting, constructively add to the article and can easily backed up. Msoos 00:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it is you that should be banned from the Wikipedia for posting untrue biographical data on this person. No wonder that others have raised their concerns regarding the authencity of your posting! I would strongly suggest that you revise your posting and include articles on his rather questionable business practices such as the Fittelina, Altus and Nomentana cases. If you persist that he is a true enterpreneur, perhaps you should provide some supporting data on his wealth accumulation techniques. I am ready to retract my statement from the Wikipedia if you can successfully prove that he has made his fortune that is considered as normal entrepreneurship.

ps:"Gyurcsány Feri Bácsi" is "Uncle Frank Gyurcsány" to you but not the rest of the World...

Amexos 11 August 2006

Though you are critical of the communist era, you seem to be thinking we are in the communist era: there, you had to present evidence that you did not break the law. In a democracy, it's the other way around: whomever accuses you of breaking the law must himself prove it to be so (and you stand innocent until this happens). I will not erase what you have written, but warn you: general thinking in Hungary (that is in this case represented by your way of thinking) is still in the communist era until that sentence stands in that article, and that is, and I hope we can both agree, sad. PS: I called him "Uncle Frank Gyurcsány" to release the pressure that is always present in such articles. I personally *do not* favour him, only I do believe that putting up clearly right-wing media mock-up into an *encyclopeadia* is not the way to go.

/In Hungarian: Furi, hogy úgy tűnik, te finoman szólva kritikus vagy a kommunista időszakkal szemben, és ugyanakkor az ő hozzáállásukat követed: a kommunista időkben volt az, hogy ha azt hitték, valamilyen módon megszegted a törvényt, be kellett bizonyítanod az ártatlanságodat. Egy normális demokráciában ez fordítva működik: Aki Téged azzal vádol, hogy törvényt sértettél, annak kell ezt bebizonyítani. Amíg ez meg nem történik, addig ez a rész ki kéne maradjon. Én nem törlöm ki, amit írtál, de a helyedben elgondolkoznék azon, amit írtam: történetesen, hogy amíg az ott benne marad, addig igazából a komcsi időkben élünk, mert a közgondolkozás (amit most a Te gondolatmeneted reprezentál) még mindig a komcsi időkben él/Msoos 11:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Msoos, the only thing I disagree in with you, is that you said one should not cite from the right-winged media. Political views should not be a basis for deciding whitch source is considered reliable (Wikipedia:No original research). I know, Amexos might have inserted unverified claims and POV phrases, but arguing about political views is not a correct method to use int this case. (This refers to both of you) --V. Szabolcs 21:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Msoos, strangely enough you still have not provided any corroborating evidence that would support your ridiculous claim that Gyurcsány is an entrepreneur HVG and that his wealth has nothing to do with the marrying into the Apró Clan Family- Index.hu. One would wonder that what could be the reason for it? Perhaps the fact, that it is not true? I can easily prove my claims (that you keep deleting)! Gyurcsány lost his slander claim case against the Magyar Nemzet newspaper regarding the Fittelina case Népszabadság and he has withdrawn his claim against the same newspaper regarding the Nomentana case FigyelőNet Amexos 11 August 2006

I am simply curious: did you really not understand what I said above? Please read it again carefully. And now, I will lay it out for you: Someone has done something wrong then *you* must prove it to be so. The burden of proof rests on *you*. Gyurcsány does *not* have to prove that he got his money perfectly legally. *You* have to prove that he did not. Do I have to repeat myself? The burden of proof is on *you*, and *you alone*. Got it? Now, please read again what I wrote above, and be enlightened. Msoos 14:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC) /PS: For your information, Gyurcsány was *already* in the top 50 richest of Hungary *before* he married his current wife ('Apro clan' or what name you call her). Open some books, I told you already - it is time to follow my advice/[reply]

Msoos, I said it before and now I am saying again... I have already proven my claim (see the HVG,FigyelőNet,Népszabadság and Index.hu articles above). Now it is YOUR turn to prove that he was in the Top 50 Richest before his marriage to Dobrev, qualifying him as a true entrepreneur. I know that you are having a hard time proving it, but it was you who posted the false information in the Wikipedia and not me. Got it?? Gyurcsány is NOT a true entrepreneur. Gyurcsány would never have got where he is today without making use of the contacts and the support base of the [Apró] Clan that he married into.HVG - Index.hu. Népszabadság FigyelőNet

Amexos 18:43, 11 August 2006