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Karl Patzelt

Hello,

Welcome aboard! You have made a good start with that correction about Romania. At first glance, I thought this Yank (me) had exposed his ignorance of Eastern European geography when creating the article, but edit history says a bot erred. At any rate, you did WP a favor by catching the error, no matter who/what caused it.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• Another welcome correction. It seems that O'Connor (my quoted source) was mistaken in this instance. I appreciate your oversight of this article. Do you think you might take on supervision of other Austro-Hungarian aces? Your corrections/additions may be invaluable to WP. The list is at https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_World_War_I_flying_aces_from_Austria-Hungary. I am working on revising these biographies. Working from the end backwards, I have reached Augustin Novak.Georgejdorner (talk) 19:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you! I have noticed that you were editing the other Austro-Hungarian aces. And yes, I can help, I'll be sure to check out the articles and if I see any errors or if I have additional information, I'll edit the respective article. Talking about Novak for a bit, according to http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/czech-ww1-kuk.pdf (check p. 7, if the link doesn't work use Wayback Machine), newer sources say he scored 7 victories, not 5. Also, thank you for editing these articles about the lesser known aces of the war. Alin2808 (talk) 23:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I have never cared to use safarik as a source for two reasons. One, I haven't located a bibliography for the site to testify to the reliability of its sources. Two, it has been my policy to base victory totals on itemized lists, which safarik does not offer. I might add that most aerial victory totals in any war are overstated. Confirmation and overclaiming of aerial victories during World War II is the next war along, but it shows that even with gun cameras for verification, overclaiming was rife. In my experience, WWI confirmation was no better, and probably worse because of military inexperience with aerial warfare.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Category:Ştefan Protopopescu has been nominated for renaming

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Friedrich Hefty

Hello,

In your Romanian language research, have you found a source for Hefty's name being 'Frigyes' instead of--or in addition--to 'Friedrich'? Or is 'Frigyes' perhaps a nickname?Georgejdorner (talk) 01:38, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

No, the only thing I know of is this from aces.safarikovi (I sent the web archive link because the site doesn't work for me for some reason). There it says just that he is sometimes referred to as Friedrich. I also remember reading somewhere that he was registered with that name or something like that, but I can't remember, I'll have to look into it, maybe I can find where I read that. It's not impossible for him to have been registered with the name Friedrich instead of Frigyes, seeing how for example I know of a Romanian pilot from Austria-Hungary whose name was Ioan Sava and he was registered as "Sava Johann" (Sava being the family name). Though it would be a bit unusual for a Hungarian to be registered with a German version name. Alin2808 (talk) 02:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, safarik is not a reliable source. (See Karl Patzelt above.) By WP standards, I must delete 'Frigyes', as I do not have a reliable source for it. I will preserve it on the Talk page.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand, but you could actually keep 'Frigyes', at least the way it is in the article now. He does appear with this name in one of my sources. The thing is, he is just mentioned briefly when he had to land because of his damaged aircraft. No explanations are given for his name, he is just mentioned as "Hefty Frigyes". I can add that source to the article, but again, he is only mentioned once, without any explanations about his name. As for Augustin Novak above, the source cited by safarik is Luftsiege der k.u.k. Luftfahrtruppe Rumänische Front, 1916-1917. Problem is, I couldn't find the book available anywhere, other than listed at those libraries.Alin2808 (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

If he was mentioned as 'Hefty Frigyes', that's proof right there of his name, if nothing else. I am going to add 'Frigyes' to the article in early life, and trust you to add the citation. Please do not forget to list the book in the References section. I am also going to alter https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_World_War_I_flying_aces_from_Austria-Hungary, and will need a cite over there also.

It's a good thing I have you to refer to.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright, will do. By the way, if you saw the message I left on your talk page, there I mentioned that I found another source about him using the name 'Frigyes', namely his 1940 book "Repülők előre!". Should I cite that as well, considering it's his book? Alin2808 (talk) 23:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

A second cite sure cannot hurt things. Cite away.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:38, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I've added it. I've also added it to the beginning of the article since the book was written by Hefty himself and he appears with the name Frigyes. This means he didn't just sometimes appear with that name, though it's still unclear what his birth name was so the title of the article will stay the same. Alin2808 (talk) 21:56, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar

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	Thank you for your contributions on Romanian aviation, which expand the knowledge in Wikipedia of a topic that has not been too covered on the website but also give interesting articles almost daily on the new pages log for others to see. Super Ψ Dro 20:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

By the way, if you wish, you can remove my notice for the deletion of that category above. It isn't really necessary anymore. And another small note... don't forget to use the correct Romanian diacritics! Super Ψ Dro 20:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! And I'll keep the notice about the category. If my talk page were to get busier in the future then maybe I'll delete it, but as of now there's no problem with it. And yup, will keep an eye out especially for those "ş->ș" because I found one in the RAC article, copied the way that name was written from one of the sources and didn't notice the different "ș". I'll probably go back to some of the other articles and check those as well :) Alin2808 (talk) 21:57, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Other Austro-Hungarian aces

Hello, Alin2808,

There are other aces whose Eastern European names do not fit my English language sources. We should try to include their names also. They are:
Janos Lasi -- English version Johann Lasi
Gyula Busa -- English version Julius Busa
Sandor Kasza -- English version is Alexander Kasza
János Frint -- English version is Johann Frint
János Risztics - English version is Johann Risztics
That should keep you busy for a bit. Some of these are stubs. Once they are expanded, they will probably be eligible to run on the Main page as Did You Knows.
It's only fair to allow you time for researching these aces, before I list others. Keep up the good work. Do not hesitate to call errors to my attention.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find about them. Quick edit, I just found this book Fighter Aces of the Great War, and there the Austro-Hungarian aces are listed with their 'native names'. Alin2808 (talk) 21:57, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

That book just arrived in the mail. It's a rehash of WP articles. It's interesting to me to see my own WP editing appearing in it.Georgejdorner (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, you actually got the book, I only listed it as it was a source which was using the native names of the pilots. So, I guess besides the list of names it doesn't add anything new? Alin2808 (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

That page you spotted seems to be the extent of its usefulness. You just cannot use a WP-bsaed book as a reliable source for WP.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, agree with that. Maybe I should've checked the preview pages available just to see if the book was good or not... At least it has the name list, I guess... Alin2808 (talk) 22:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

As Americans say, some days chickens, some days feathers. But if you don't look, you don't find.Georgejdorner (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Romanian Air Corps

Hello,

I was just looking at the above. Nice work! I feel somewhat foolish for having previously offered to help you with English usage; you write at a native speaker level. However, it is going to fail its B Class nomination unless you close every paragraph with a citation. If you are quick, you can supply the cites before someone reviews and fails the nomination.Georgejdorner (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! And no problems, I can always use the help of an actual native speaker. Also thanks for mentioning the citations, I didn't know about that. Considering that another one of my articles didn't exactly have a citation for every paragraph (the beginning paragraph doesn't have one) and it still got the B class, I didn't think that was needed. I should probably also remove the aerodrome source since I saw your discussion about that topic (it's not needed anyway since you don't really need an actual citation to prove what can be observed in photographs, maybe I could keep it in an "external links" or a "further reading" section). Alin2808 (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

B Class assessments are always a bit of a crap shoot. You may as well close the paragraphs with citations, and leave one less reason for failure.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea. I've already done that with the article, just in case. Still waiting for that review. Alin2808 (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

If it weren't for the fact that we cooperate, I would review this article. As it is, it would look like a non-objective assessment.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, someone else will need to review it. I'm fine with waiting, I get that it's a pretty big article so that someone needs to have the free time available to read through all of it.

PS, A bit off-topic but I have looked at the articles about the French aces who served in Romania (Maurice Gond and Charles Revol-Tissot) and have been adding new information from what sources I have about them. Since you wrote the article, I wanted to ask something about Tissot: does the cited book mention his victory as happening on 15 February? If so, does it use an original quote from his Légion d'Honneur citation or not?

Second question: In the Maurice Gond article, it's said that Revol-Tissot was commissioned as an officer in April 1917, but in Tissot's article his Médaille Militaire citation calls him a Sergeant (so non-commissioned). So, the same question as above, does the book use an original quote or not?

Asking these questions because I have more info about him and Gond in my sources as said above. And there, Tissot's victory is listed as happening on the 14th, not 15th, and that he was commissioned as an officer with the rank of Second Lieutenant following his victory on 13 April. Also, something that I've noticed, as I have said in the note on the Revol-Tissot article, it seems that the pilots of the French Mission to Romania counted their victories by French standards since in all my sources, Gond is only credited with 2 victories, not 6 (though he could've had 3 or 4, but it's a longer story) which means that he likely shared the other ones. Same for Tissot, he's credited only with 2, not 5. Alin2808 (talk) 01:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I am unable to confirm any of the above facts from Franks, et al. I no longer have Durkota in my hands; I borrowed it through interlibrary loan. If you don't have Durkota, I would advise moving him down to Further reading. You probably have better sources than I, and these articles are pretty poor quality, so have at it. You aren't hurting my feelings if you find better information. FYI, unless you learned your English from an American, you might want to change the usage notice on the article Talk pages.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I think I'll keep it listed as it currently is, but will add what information I have to the article as well. Also didn't notice he received the Médaille Militaire in 1915, not 1916, so now the rank does make sense. Alin2808 (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Germanicized names?

Hello, Alin2808,

I think I have figured out the name changes for the A-H aces. I believe I see a pattern of non-Austrian names being rendered in German by the Austrians. The Germanic forms of their names were picked up for the English language sources. I think this leaves us in the situation where the Germanic names are the most known in English; therefore, they should be the name used for the article title. However, I would dub in the non-Germanic birth names also. You have noted that Romanian names list family name, personal name; Romanian aces should be listed thus.

If any of the above is wrong, can be corrected, and/or can be improved upon, please advise me so. You are an invaluable WP resource for this subject.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

"I think I have figured out the name changes for the A-H aces. I believe I see a pattern of non-Austrian names being rendered in German by the Austrians." Yes, I have also seen this. At first, I thought Hungarians were also registered their Hungarian names and only other peoples were registered with the German version of the name (see Ioan Sava/Johann Sava above) but this doesn't seem to be the case.

"You have noted that Romanian names list family name, personal name; Romanian aces should be listed thus." This is the current Hungarian way of listing names. It used to be in Romania as well but was changed to the personal name, family name way so I'll keep the list in the modern form to avoid confusion. The way of listing family names before personal names seems to have been used in the Austrian/Austro-Hungarian Empire, so this might be where the influence came to Romania from, but I don't know. As said, today Romanian names are listed as personal name then family name, not the other way around.

"If any of the above is wrong, can be corrected, and/or can be improved upon, please advise me so." Will do :) Alin2808 (talk) 01:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I propose using the English version of the names, followed by the Romanian/Magyar/whatever name. For example, Friedrich Hefty, a.k.a. Frygys Hefty. Would you agree?Georgejdorner (talk) 22:48, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

That is alright, though I do think the title of the article should use the more known name. Currently, for the articles that you are working on, there are no problems with this and you should use the English names as those are the most mentioned in the sources. Alin2808 (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I believe the name for a biography should be the most known name in English, with any possible variations noted. At any rate, on page 9 of O'Connor, I found the following: "Germanic name forms are used for the sake of uniformity and because German was the official language of the Austro-Hungarian Empire."Georgejdorner (talk) 17:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it should use the most known name in English, though I do think if there is no known English name variant or if there is an English variant but nobody knows the person in question by that name, the article should use the native name. Anyway, again, for the articles about the Austro-Hungarian aces this isn't a problem as all of them have well-known English names (the Germanized ones). And nice that you found that line in the book, it really explains what's with the German and native names. Alin2808 (talk) 22:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Safarik as a source

Hello, I have discovered that while I was condemning Safarik's website as unreliable, you were referring to a reliable PDF document by him. I hope this clears up some confusion.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense. His website is indeed pretty outdated and could use a refresh with new sources and the like. Alin2808 (talk) 01:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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	For creating a comprehensive article about the least known aviation corps in WWI, the Romanian Air Corps, and bringing the article to B Class despite its unwieldy size. Georgejdorner (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Georgejdorner: Thank you! Now that I brought it to the B Class, I also plan to get it to good article status in the future (as right now I don't have the time for the review process). Alin2808 (talk) 13:02, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

• I wondered whether you were going to take it to a higher level. You might even want to aim higher than GA.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:55, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

• • One step at a time :) Alin2808 (talk) 21:26, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Romanian Air Force

Please don’t add or change content without verifying it by citing a reliable source, as you have done on the Romanian Air Force article. User-generated content is not reliable per WP:UGC WP:SELFPUBLISH- Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources –Thank you FOX 52 ^talk! 04:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

As you probably noticed (or not) I was editing a revision done by an IP user, who changed the number from 3 to 6 without even changing the source. Romania never had 6 C-130s, so I searched for a source that can definitely prove that (and as you saw from the talk page, the WAF isn't always reliable). Found c-130.net which appears to be the only actual source that gives individual numbers (as f-16.net does the same for F-16s), the numbers given by the site being 4 C-130B and 1 C-130H, this is also backed by The Military Balance 2021 of the International Institute for Strategic Studies. However, not all 5 are in active service, c-130.net says that 1 C-130B is in storage, so I checked various aircraft spotting sites to verify it, and I found photos for 4 of them in service, but I accidentally saw a photo that was uploaded recently (in 2020) and after I checked again I saw that the photo was actually taken in 2011 (so c-130.net is a bit outdated), that was a mistake on my part. So World Air Forces is right on the number of C-130s in active service, that being 3: 2 C-130B (5930, 6166) and 1 C-130H (6191).

Also as you can see from WP:UGC, those kinds of sources are "generally unacceptable", not 100% unreliable, maybe instead of outright removing a supposed unreliable source, you could add a Template:Unreliable source? tag so someone can verify it again? Alin2808 (talk) 07:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

An "unreliable tag" is pointless if a more reliable source was available prior to the revert - Generally try to avoid those kinds sites, because the are just aviation enthusiast, who are not in the business of providing reliable information. Otherwise keep up the good work- Cheers FOX 52 ^talk! 20:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but one thing these sites do right is they provide the individual serial numbers of said aircraft. And it's easy to verify those numbers by just searching. Oh and found out what was with that edit to the number of 6 aircraft, apparently just yesterday the US donated a C-130H, changed the source to a news site which also mentions the total number of C-130s (as the active number seems to be unclear). And thank you! Alin2808 (talk) 20:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Air commanders of World War I

Hello,

It may interest you to know that the above does not mention Romania.Georgejdorner (talk) 23:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me! I actually didn't know about the article (didn't notice it in the WW1 aviation template). I will be sure to add the WW1 commanders of the RAC. If I may ask something, do you think I should add the commanders starting from 1914 or should I only the commanders that served after Romania joined the war (1916)? Alin2808 (talk) 00:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

hi guys, a new romanian just joined the chat TheRomanian24 (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey there and welcome! Alin2808 (talk) 22:18, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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Nieuport 10 use by Romania

Colour me skeptical, but none of the extensive sources I have mention this, and so I am wondering if a photograph was included in the source? The reason being is that Nieuport 12s were delivered to Romania (which is well documented), and a lot of sources confuse the two, so the only sure way to tell if this is even correct is if there is a photo. Also, please only include the one dash after the 978 in the isbn, as including the others messes up the search functions. - NiD.29 (talk) 02:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Two photos are included. However, both appear to be Nieuport 12s on a closer look (it's possible the author couldn't find any photos of the Nieuport 10 but had to include what he found as the book has at least 2 photos for every plane presented). The book also provides a serial number for the Nieuport 10, that being 1261. Alin2808 (talk) 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Romanian Air Force - Current inventory table

Hi. Sorry for the error regarding the F-16 numbers, I forgot to check the Trainer Aircraft section before making the edit. However, I think you did the right move by combining the numbers since it's not quite clear if any of the 32 ex-Norwegian F-16s on order are trainer aircrafts. Best regards. Yosh3000 (talk) 15:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, no problems. This was actually a big problem in the past, with several IP editors changing the number of F-16AMs to 17 and not reading the whole table to see that the AM and BM versions were separate. You can still see my notice on the talk page from back then... But yeah, this was the best solution, plus it matches with how the IAR 330 and the C-130 numbers and variants are handled, and as you said we don't know the number of each variant for the future Norwegian F-16s. Alin2808 (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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@Georgejdorner: Thank you! I guess you saw the edit on the List of World War I aces credited with 5 victories. I actually found the article by chance while browsing through the WW1 aces lists, because I had forgotten about it, otherwise I would've added Bădulescu to that list after I finished his article in November last year :)

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Romanian Humvees

Hello. The number of Humvees from hotnews.ro article was taken from this wikipedia page, so it is not a good reference in this case. It was inaccurate instead of 22 was written 322 on wikipedia and they copied this number (300+) in their article. Some of them we used them in Afganistan, not all of them. The only number which can be taken into account is from the link you changed, from SIPRI Trade Register. Some of them appear in UNROCA Register in the year 2007 (14 of them, the not-up-armored ones, also mistaken noted as M113HKWV instead of M1113HMMWV); Link: https://www.unroca.org/romania/report/2007/. The up-armored ones I first saw them in 2010, but I don't know when they bought them. So please change back the number and the link. Thank you (and thank you for your contributions). DoloresRKT (talk) 16:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if HotNews copied Wikipedia or not, checked it myself for the other numbers (compared to the Wikipedia article version of 2019) and not all numbers are the same. As for the number of Humvees, it's absolutely impossible that there's just 22 of them. You practically see them used everywhere from Special Forces, to regular army, to military police. To add a different source, the Romania Army, National Security and Defense Policy Handbook says that as of 2006 alone, Romania ordered about 100 Humvees. A way their number could be determined would be by looking at the plate numbers and estimating based on that (but that would be original research ;) ). If you want to, you could write the number as 100+ based on the Handbook above. Alin2808 (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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List

""origin" means both development country and production country" - who told this? German Mercedes manufactured in Turkey is Turkish? That's absurd. Eurohunter (talk) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: Look at the entire list again. Examples: Iveco - developed in Italy, produced in Romania; Piranha V - developed in Switzerland, produced in Romania; Technamm Jankel Fox by Masstech (modified Toyota Land Cruiser) - developed by Toyota (Japan), modified and produced by a French company. Examples from other lists: List of equipment of the Turkish Land Forces: M67 grenade - developed in the US, produced in Turkey; List of equipment of the Polish Land Forces - 9K33 Osa, developed and produced in the USSR, upgraded by Poland. Need I go further? Alin2808 (talk) 01:21, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

All this is wrong. One more time, is German Mercedes manufactured in Turkey, Turkish? That's absurd right? Eurohunter (talk) 10:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

This is not comparable. Ever heard of license production, or joint ventures? Anyway, all this is besides the point: all these lists show where the piece of equipment was developed and where it was produced, where it "originated" from. "Origin" is a vague term here which means both development location and production location. Alin2808 (talk) 13:45, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

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Romania in World War I

Hello! The map you recently removed from the Romania in World War I also shows the extent of Romania's advance into Transylvania before Falkenheyn's counteroffensive and the subsequent collapse of the front. I think it is appropriate to include in the article. NeimWiki (talk) 05:34, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@NeimWiki: Ok, sure. You can add it back in the article, but add it with the proper description. Alin2808 (talk) 13:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hi Alin2808, thanks for writing Wallachian military forces, it's an amazing article. Have you heard about this on the news [1]? I think it can be worth an article. Pointing it out to you since you're usually focused on Romanian military topics, maybe it interests you. Have a nice day and keep the good work up! Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 10:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. And no, I haven't heard about the Scutul de Foc exercise. But yeah, I might write an article about it since I was thinking about writing one about Saber Guardian. I'll be sure to look more into it. :) Alin2808 (talk) 16:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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F-35

Hello, I am asking for a modification in the articles regarding the f-35. A few days ago, the government of the Czech Republic approved the purchase of 24 F-35s. 193.165.236.247 (talk) 14:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

@193.165.236.247 I will update the articles soon. But as far as I'm aware, no contracts have been signed yet, but only the plan to purchase the F-35 was approved for now. Alin2808 (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

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Bayraktar

The first Bayraktar TB2 Shia brought from Turkiye for the Romanian air forces was presented on 1 December. Should we put that drone in the Romanian Army Equipment? Silo34 (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm adding it now. Alin2808 (talk) 11:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Romanian army

Should we made for the Romanian army body armour, uniforms and field equipments category? Silo34 (talk) 11:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

There's already the individual equipment section, it has a part about the body armour. Currently only with the EOD suit, though I'm thinking of adding the VST-3 from Stimpex as this seems to be the standard body armour, just need to find a good photo for it. As for the rest, I just don't think it's needed. If we go into detail with different uniforms it will make the list too long. Uniforms deserve their own dedicated article to be honest, if you have the time and sources to make one. Alin2808 (talk) 11:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

But what about the night vision goggles used by the special forces? Silo34 (talk) 11:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

If you can reliably identify the model then sure :)

I was currently working on updating the other language articles, so if manage to ID them leave a message here. Alin2808 (talk) 11:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

VST-3 look's like the US army IBA,OTV or IOTV. Silo34 (talk) 11:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I only find something about the single night vision goggle. It's name probably is Pvs-14. Silo34 (talk) 11:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Watchkipper X Bayraktar TB2 Shia

The naval versions should be included in the Romanian navy category. Silo34 (talk) 05:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

For now we only know that the Air Force will receive the drones. If the Navy is to receive the naval version then we will know at one point, we cannot speculate further. Alin2808 (talk) 16:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Vshorad/Shorad

M-SAM Cheongung System from Hanwha will participate in the Vshorad/Shorad program for the Romanian army. It was confirmed by Defense Romania. Silo34 (talk) 16:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Soon enough (as in a month) we'll have the confirmed official participants when the program will start. I don't see why we should edit the list now, when there's a month until we get official confirmation. Alin2808 (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Sandown

Romania brought from UK only 2 mine hunters ships not 3.HMS Blyth which is currently in use and HMS Pembroke , HMS Ramsey is not included. Silo34 (talk) 16:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

When Pembroke will be transferred next year, it will be moved into the proper section while Ramsey will be removed from the list. I'm just waiting for that to happen so I can update the HMS Ramsey article as well. Alin2808 (talk) 01:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

FGM-148F Javalin

You should add Romania as future operator in the Javelin Wikipedia page. Silo34 (talk) 06:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, somebody added Romania. Silo34 (talk) 11:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

AAV-7A1

You should add Romania as future operator on AAV-7A1 Wikipedia page. Silo34 (talk) 06:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Silo34 (talk) 13:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Oshkosh M1070

Romania should be added as a future operator in the Oshkosh M1070 Wikipedia page. Silo34 (talk) 08:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Silo34 (talk) 14:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

H215M

Romania will be a future operator knowing the purchase of 2 ASuW Helicopters from Airbus. Silo34 (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Pesco

In the European Patrol Corvette Romania will be probably a operator considering the fact whit the Gowind 2500 and Damen Sigma . Silo34 (talk) 08:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

FIM-93 Stinger

Stinger should be added in the MANPADS purchase program as a possible participant. Silo34 (talk) 08:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

F-35A

Romania will be a future operator. Romania should be added in the F-35 Wikipedia page. Silo34 (talk) 08:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Chiron

Romania should be added in the future operator on Chiron Wikipedia page. Silo34 (talk) 20:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I'll be waiting a moment for more news sites to cover this. And hopefully more details will come up. Alin2808 (talk) 20:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you answer the above questions? Silo34 (talk) 12:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I can answer here:

• H215M - we don't really have updates since October 2022, I'm just waiting for a further update that it's still going forward and at what stage it is;
• Pesco was updated;
• Stinger - not official, the MANPAD program itself was cancelled and was to be resumed, and now we have the Chiron;
• F-35A - the F-35 has two separate articles for procurement: 1, 2. Romania is currently on both. After the contract is signed (probably next year), then I'll add it to the main article as well (note, the main article does not include potential and future orders, only countries that have already signed the contract or already received the F-35).

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Thank you for your time and dedication. Silo34 (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Fuel Trucks

Romania wants to buy 21 fuel trucks for 10 million euros with the fuel capacity of 10-12 tons. The trucks will be used by the air forces for refueling the planes. Silo34 (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you send me the source? Alin2808 (talk) 18:57, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

https://www.bizbrasov.ro/2023/12/18/armata-cumpara-cisterne-militare-depozit-la-brasov/#google_vignette Silo34 (talk) 20:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Mini UAS

At the beginning of August, MApN announced the organization of two tenders for the purchase of drones. It is about 22 Mini UAS class I systems – fixed wing and 11 Mini UAS class I systems – multicopter. What happened with the program? Silo34 (talk) 07:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Still under way. I would've sent you a link to Romtehnica's contract bid, but the site appears to be in maintenance right now. Oh well... Alin2808 (talk) 01:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks and Happy New Year Silo34 (talk) 01:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you :) Alin2808 (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Mobile bridge

Does Romania use the PMA-85 mobile bridge? Silo34 (talk) 09:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Never seen a photo of one in service, nor did I read about it being in service. Images online also show the prototype only. Alin2808 (talk) 19:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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H215H

You must put Romania as a future user on the H215H helicopter page. Silo34 (talk) 16:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright, done. Thanks for the message! Alin2808 (talk) 20:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks and no problem.See you Silo34 (talk) 20:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

CV90

We should add the CV90 vehicle as a possible candidate for the new IFV's endowment program. As AS21 Redback, Lynx and ASCOD are on the list. Silo34 (talk) 13:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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ARX-160

Should we ad the Beretta ARX-160 in the Proposed Purchases. Silo34 (talk) 08:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Done. I was going to add it last night, but I postponed it for today. Alin2808 (talk) 14:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Future possible purchase.

Sig Sauer, Night vision. Silo34 (talk) 13:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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K9 Thunder

Hanwha won the self propelled artillery contract . Defense Romania confirmed. Silo34 (talk) 16:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I've read the article. The contract will be signed in a few days (in March). For now we'll be waiting for it, though I might add the information from the Korea Economic Daily article. Alin2808 (talk) 18:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Did you read the Sig Sauer article? Silo34 (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but there was no official mention of the exact SIG Sauer rifle model offered to Romania. Alin2808 (talk) 19:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Probably a version of the Spear or some M4 model. Also don't forget the purchase of night vision goggles. Silo34 (talk) 19:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

M1150

The M1150 Assault Breacher Vehicle Wikipedia page doesn't have Romanian as a future operator. I doesn't have to operator (users) category bud the users are in the Operational history. Can you add Romania if you want? Silo34 (talk) 19:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Added an operators section for both the M1150 and the M1074. Alin2808 (talk) 20:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

M1074

The M1074 Joint Assault Bridge System Wikipedia page doesn't contain Romania as a future user. The users are listed in the Development category. If you have time can you add Romania there? Silo34 (talk) 19:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Vlah

Any new informations about Vlah 4x4 vehicle? Silo34 (talk) 19:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

As of November last year, the project is mid-way through. The prototype is expected to be finished early this year (don't know when). From an interview with the CEO of BStech. Alin2808 (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Pa Ro Mod

What happened with the PA Ro Mod 2018 weapon program? Silo34 (talk) 19:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This. Other than that I don't know. PS: in the future can you put questions or other messages in a single section instead of separating them? It's easier to respond to multiple questions in a section like that. Thank you! Alin2808 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Missionformation and Propaganda

We have to edit or delete the military articles that are no longer used by the Romanian army but in which Romania appears as a current operator. For example, the Carpathian pistol, MT-LB, or Zil-131. Those articles are used incorrectly leading to missionformation and propaganda. Silo34 (talk) 21:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Romanian Armed Forces

Hello, I have a request for you. When you search for Romanian Land Forces, Romanian Air Forces and Romanian Naval Forces these articles appear translated into several languages. These items have not been updated in a long time and still have old equipment that is no longer used or incorrectly numbered. My prayer is if you have time to help me update those articles, I will delete some of the old equipment that is no longer used and put the correct numbers but I need you to put new links and pictures. Thanks for your time. Silo34 (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I can help with images and sources + links. Just notify me about what articles you edited when you do. Alin2808 (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I tried to put the MIM-104 Patriot on the Romanian Air Force Italian article but is very hard doing that with my phone, I can only add numbers. Silo34 (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Which one do you want to start with? With the Romanian Land Forces, the Romanian Air Force or the Romanian Naval Forces. Silo34 (talk) 19:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Whichever you want. Just a note, don't add text in English. If you can't add translated text (as in the description/notes column), then don't add any. After you're done with it, send me a message here and I'll go through each article. Alin2808 (talk) 19:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok,let's start with the Romanian Air Force. I will add the number is and you can put the links and delete the old equipment.I know it's a lot but these articles can be spreading misinformation and propaganda. That for example that Romania used old equipment that Tu-2, ARO, Zil-131 or other items. Silo34 (talk) 19:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I doubt enough people see those articles to spread misinformation. Generally people look at the main English list article. But it's nice to update the articles. Again, when you're done with the articles, notify me and I'll go through each one of them. Make sure you use the preview before publishing so as to not accidently break any tables :) Alin2808 (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I finished editing for the Romanian Air Force, added the correct numbers and variants to all languages. You can go edit and delete. Almost all articles have Mig-21 and S-75 still operational. Tomorrow I will start at the Romanian Land Forces. Thank you for your time and dedication. Silo34 (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Armament DSPI

Salut. Am văzut că tu editezi mai mult pagina aceasta, și am 2 rugăminți pt. editare la tine (eu nu prea vreau să mă bag să editez). 1. Pentru armamentul de la DSPI (link: https://web.archive.org/web/20090408033753/http://www.presamil.ro/OM/2004/20/pag 14.htm) ar trebui scoase armele ce apar scrise in partea de jos a articolului. Acestea sunt folosite de structuri similare din alte țări NU de DSPI din România. În articol nu apare nici o armă pe care o folosesc ei, ci numai ce ar vrea să folosească. Armele includ: Heckler & Koch USP, FN P90, Diemaco C7, FN FNC, HK33E, M16A2, Heckler & Koch G3. 2. Dacă îți trimit niște link-uri de pe site-urile de achiziții (aka SEAP) la mai multe echipamente, poți să le introduci tu ? Mulțumesc, o zi bună. DoloresRKT (talk) 18:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Desigur. Poți să trimiți link-urile aici. Alin2808 (talk) 18:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Salut, eu am date despre urmatoarele:

1. Stimpex - pentru căști & veste. Ei mai au un model care ar putea fi în înzestrare - VST-3

primul contract pe care l-am găsit era de prin 2007 și au mai fost și altele

ultimul contract, din 2018, pe 7 ani trebuiau să livreze peste 65.000 veste & 65.000 căști

https://e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/100414285

au fost o grămadă de contracte subsecvente, probabil că au livrat chiar mai multe (mai mult 86.000 din fiecare după calculele mele dar nu aș putea spune cu siguranță câte sunt)

2. Nammo M72 LAW A5 - 24, cumpărate în 2009

https://web.archive.org/web/20150923220212/https://www.dpa.ro/images/buletinul_contractelor/2009/bc2009_1.pdf - pag. 12

3. Simpex Dracon - 1 buc., cumpărată în 2019

https://e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/100076352

4. Panhard PVP - 16 buc., livrări: 5 buc. (2012), 4 buc. (2013), 1 buc. (2014), 6 buc. (2015)

https://istoric.e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/130921 (in josul paginii este un link către un fișier *.doc - Documentatie atribuire autospeciale blindate - acolo scrie graficul de predare)

https://istoric.e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/130921

5. URO VAMTAC S3

20 buc. blindate (S3-HD), 40 buc. neblindate (S3)

https://web.archive.org/web/20150923220212/https://www.dpa.ro/images/buletinul_contractelor/2009/bc2009_1.pdf - pag. 12

6. URO VAMTAC 5 - pentru echipele EOD ale Forțelor Aeriene - termenul de predare este 4 ani, nu știu când/cum au venit sau câte au venit. Prima dată am văzut una la BSDA 2022.

Autospecială de intervenție EOD neblindată - 7 buc.

https://e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/100279033

Autospecială de intervenție EOD - 4 buc.

https://e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/100278688

7. Robot PIAP Gryf

35 e cam mult pt. armata noastră. În știre spune că până atunci au fost comenzi pt. 35 buc. dar nu numai de la noi, ci și de la polonezi, poate au mai fost și alții. Eu l-am văzut la BSDA-2002, deci cel puțin atunci era măcar 1. Dar cred că ar trebui să scoți partea cu 35 buc.

8. Polaris ATV - acordul cadru este pt. 143 buc., au fost semnate câteva contracte subsecvente, dar nu pt. toata suma (pt. toate cele 143 buc.). Eu aș scrie acolo "unknown from a 143 order"

https://e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/100386411

9. C-130 Hercules. Din câte am văzut eu (pe flightradar24, de aprox. 2 ani) zboară 4: 2 C-130B (nr. 5930, 6166) și 2 C-130H (cumpărate de curând, 9142, 9143) - celelalte sunt fier-vechi. 2 din ele se văd pe Google Maps/Earth la BA-90 de la Otopeni in parcul rece.

10. C-27 - 5 operaționale, nr. 2701, 2702, 2703, 2705, 2706 - tot de pe flightradar

11. AN-26 & AN-30 - câte 1 buc. mai zboară din fiecare nr. 810 și 1102 (parcă ăsta era)

12. Radar TPS-77 - sunt 7 - ultimele 2 cumpărate în 2019

2 buc. în 2016 (știrea e greșită, scrie doar de 1 nu de 2) - pt. 1 contract atribuit în dec. 2015, semnat în ian. 2016

https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-20743188-noi-achizitii-militare-facute-romania-rachete-antitanc-inca-20-milioane-euro-radar-american-33-milioane-dolari.htm

1 buc. în 2017 - contract din 2016, semnat în 2017

https://economie.hotnews.ro/stiri-telecom-21544997-romtehnica-atribuit-luna-decembrie-fara-licitatie-deschisa-contracte-militare-valoare-aproape-120-milioane-euro-catre-doua-firme-americane-una-germana.htm

2 buc. în 2018

https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-22273768-noi-achizitii-militare-circa-30-milioane-euro-facute-romania-armata-cumpara-inca-doua-radare-mobile-tps-77-pentru-apararea-aeriana-lockheed-martin-sisteme-rachete-antitanc-portabile-spike.htm

2 buc. în 2019

https://www.mapn.ro/cpresa/16460_autoevaluarea-statului-major-al-forțelor-aeriene-pe-anul-2019

https://e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/100083187

https://e-licitatie.ro/pub/notices/ca-notices/view-c/100113640

Probabil ar mai trebuie scrise acolo și rachete AA pe care le avem în dotare

AIM-9X Sidewinder - 2015 (contract), 2017-2018 (livrate) - 22 rachete, pt F-16

AIM-120C AMRAAM - 2013 (contract), 2019-2020 (livrate) - 30 rachete, pt F-16

Elbit Opher - 100 buc., 1995 (contract), 1997 (livrate)

JDAM - 2017 (contract), 2019 (livrate) - 180 bombe

Torpile Sting Ray - 18 buc., 2003 (contract), 2004-2005 (livrate) / pt. fregate

--- datele de mai sus de pe Trade Register

Magic-2 - 48 buc. - https://www.unroca.org/romania/report/1999/

OK. Cam atât deocamdată. Mai am și alte date (mașini, camioane, utilitare) dar tre să stau să le aranjez. DoloresRKT (talk) 19:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1. VST-3 s-ar putea sa fie in inzestrarea FOS. Dar nu se prea poate determina usor nici din imagini.

2. Este deja in lista.

3.  Done

4. Este deja in lista.

5 & 6. Am corectat numarul de S3 din sursa citata. Numarul de ST5 l-am pus ca 4+ (primele 4 cred ca au fost deja livrate pana acum din imaginile de la parada)

7.  Done

8. E deja in lista ca 143+

9, 10 & 11. Greu de spus folosind doar flightradar cum nu toate avioanele militare folosesc transpondere (https://aviation.stackexchange.com/a/92284). Fara o confirmare mai de incredere nu se poate modifica.

12.  Done

Numarul de rachete e greu de determinat, cum datele din Trade Register nu sunt mereu complete, iar Magic-2 si Opher nici nu cred ca mai sunt in serviciu dupa ce au fost retrase MiG-urile. Poate o sa le adaug dar fara numere exacte. O sa ma gandesc.

Multumesc pentru ajutor, astept datele despre masini, camioane etc. Alin2808 (talk) 08:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

ATBTU

Otokar Cobra 2 is the only vehicles remaining in the Light armored tactical type vehicles (ATBTU) program, the other competitors are out. Shall we remove the other vwhicles? Silo34 (talk) 21:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

No. It was only mentioned by unconfirmed sources. While it might be true, we'll wait until the actual contract is signed or an official source confirms it. Alin2808 (talk) 09:52, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It was confirmed by Defense Romania Silo34 (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It was confirmed by their "sources" which did not identify themselves. We'll wait for a better confirmation. Alin2808 (talk) 19:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Very well , goodbye Silo34 (talk) 19:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Update

Hello. You should update the article on the K9 Thunder because it is the only self-propelled howitzer left in the contract. Update the Otokar Cobra 2 article because it is the only ATBTU left, there is also the Celeris 4x4 from Texelis but out of the program. Contract update for F-35 and update of the Romanian Wikipedia page. Update the contract for the Beretta ARX160 on her page and the English/Romanian page. And it is possible that Romania will buy the AS-21 Redback IFV. Silo34 (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll update the ARX160 page soon, same for the F-35 Romanian Wikipeia page. The AS-21 is already updated. As for the other programs, we should just wait until they're completed and just move the winning offer directly to the main list. Alin2808 (talk) 14:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your amazing work at RoAF 57th Air Base!! Stellar quality!! Buckshot06 (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Buckshot06 Thank you! Alin2808 (talk) 18:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Update

Hi Alin. You should add the program where Romania wants to build 3 ships. Also CV-90 is in the ifv program. Silo34 (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Added the three frigates, the CV90 is already mentioned (no new updates on that one). Alin2808 (talk) 20:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Any new updates on the other programs like the TR-84M1R, ARX-160, the Romanian drone and other equipments. Silo34 (talk) 20:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

TR-85M1R Silo34 (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Nothing on those. But there were some news regarding the F-35. This month the contract may get signed, according to the minister of defence. Alin2808 (talk) 20:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Uniform

Hi Alin, do you have any idea what new combat uniform was being talked about on TV on the Pro TV program? Silo34 (talk) 19:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

No, actually. Do you have a link to a video or article about this? Because I can't seem to find anything. Alin2808 (talk) 21:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't send the link.

It was on PRO TV news Silo34 (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

As I thought. Well for now we should wait for more information to come up. Alin2808 (talk) 20:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok Silo34 (talk) 21:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

CN-20/22

Hi Alin, do you have any idea about the CN-22 or the Stimpex PA RO 2018 rifle program. I know Beretta won.And do you have any news about the Beretta production status .Silo34 (talk) 21:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

There have been no news on either of those rifles. But something that I find rather strange is the appearance of a different rifle during the 1 December parade rehearsals (see). Doesn't appear to be either a CN-22 or a PA Md. 2018, and I couldn't find any other matches to it. Guess we'll find out more about it on 1 December. Alin2808 (talk) 20:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

We'll see. Also can you tell me where you found that new rifle? Silo34 (talk) 21:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It appears in some shots of the parade rehearsals posted by the Land Forces on Facebook (here). It also briefly appears in this clip posted by the Air Force also on Facebook. Alin2808 (talk) 21:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

For me looks like the HK416 or upgraded M4. Silo34 (talk) 21:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It really doesn't. Looks like a PA Md. 86 with new fittings and a Picatinny rail. The real question is, is it rechambered in 5.56 NATO? It should be logical that it is. Alin2808 (talk) 21:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, you are talking about that. It's either just modules or it's upgraded until the new Beretta ARX 160 arrives. Silo34 (talk) 22:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It's either a NAT1 ,PA MD.86 or both combined. Or a prototype just for the parade. Silo34 (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)