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The Wikipedia Signpost: 30 November 2009

Igloo problem

I keep getting the following error: Warning: igloo server returned an error: igloo-fail-auth: the server received your request but actively chose to refuse it. Loading stopped. I haven't managed to use Igloo even once till date, because of this error. What do I do? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Igloo is restricted to whitelisted users only - it clearly states on the installation page that you must ask me if you want access. I will add you to the whitelist. Ale_Jrbtalk 21:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
I see, I didn't notice that. I just read the installation and decided to try it out.. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:41, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Igloo says "igloo has closed

retrieval failed - lost connection to iglooNet" And that's it. Why? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I only just saw this. =/ Does it give you this error immediately, or does it let you use it for a while before doing it? This error, as it suggests, occurs because it could not load required information from the server. Ale_Jrbtalk 23:15, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Igloo

I'm interested in trying it out. I use Safari on Mac OS X, will it work? A8UDI 15:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. It has no problem with Macs afaik, but Safari refuses to import external Javascript code after page load, which is how igloo runs. If you get Firefox or Chrome for the Mac, it should work. let me know. Ale_Jrbtalk 18:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
kk ya I have firefox. I test her out latta. A8UDI 15:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Done. Ale_Jrbtalk 15:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

oh this is fun

I'm really enjoying this igloo nonsense =). k- a few things I've noticed in the last 30 minutes of my play time. 1. It does work fairly well on Mac OS X w/ Firefox. 2. My biggest complaint is that it kept disconnecting frequently. I am on wifi but I don't know if that'd affect it? And 3. In terms of what's probable vandalism, I have some suggestions for "key words" to add.. Other than that, it's great! A8UDI 21:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, if you could make it work in the vector skin, i'll love you forever <3. haha Just an Idea! A8UDI 22:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Heh - I'm glad you like it. For the disconnecting, this is a combination of a poor server and your internet connection speed. I occasionally disconnect, but not that often. This should improve if I move it to a better server as well. For the probable vandalism, be aware that igloo assesses users - not their edits. The highlighting system that flags profanity only kicks in after an edit has been loaded (when you click on it). I would be interested to hear about anything it isn't flagging that it should be, though (the flagger is the purple highlight). As for vector, I might consider it in the future, but I really hate it and am currently working on some other features, soo... Thanks for your feedback, very helpful! :) Ale_Jrbtalk 23:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I can't stand the monobook skin, but seeing as igloo has its own window its not a big deal. Monobook is so confusing, with all the tabs at the top etc, vector is much cleaner. But ya, just a suggestion. Seriously tho- awesome job with this. A8UDI 23:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

another suggestion

Sometimes when I revert a vandalism (the old fashioned way with rollback) it will revert the edits as it should by one user, but sometimes someone else has already undone an edit, so that the vandal fighter only gets some of the vandalism. Normally, this is no big deal with Twinkle, I can just jump back to a previous version. However, with Igloo, this is not achievable. You are adding a history function for this reason, I think I read, correct? A8UDI 23:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I am indeed working on a history function. It was enabled for a while, but it wasn't working properly, so I switched it off again. When I get round to fixing it, you should be able to restore any edit in the page history, yes. Ale_Jrbtalk 23:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar!!!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Wow, that was the weirdest thing. I was using Huggle, when the next change I happened upon was a vandalism to my own user page!!! Wow. So, I sat there in shock, but then you reverted the vandalsim to my userpage. Thanks a bunch! :) The Arbiter★★★ 23:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks! :) Ale_Jrbtalk 23:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Tool?

I see you've got an interesting anti-vandal tool. Is it alright if I try it out? Inferno, Lord of Penguins 06:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Me too, me too! :) Unomi (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Idea for a future version of igloo

Would it be possible for igloo to warn users who are reverting an editor with say, over 500 edits? An editor that I've accidentally reverted brought it up; it would be great to prevent accidental reversions of established editors. Cheers, --Meaghan the vanilla twilight 14:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

It's been on my to-do list for a while - I agree it would be useful. :) Thanks! Ale_Jrbtalk 15:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 7 December 2009

Igloo Request

I'd like to be part of the Igloo alpha. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 19:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Replied. Sorry for the delay. Ale_Jrbtalk 20:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Igloo WL

Hi there! I saw A8UDI using Igloo a few days ago, and was rather curious -- I was about to add the script to my monobook when I noticed that it was restricted to whitelisted users. Would it be possible to be added to the whitelist? :) Chris Rocen (talk) 14:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, didn't see that bit. I got told at RFR to come back in a week a few days ago (account is too new apparently), should I just drop a message when I get it? Chris Rocen (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Yep, just let me know. Ale_Jrbtalk 14:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) As for unstable testing, I'm used to that, and would be happy to take a look through the code as well (if you'd like :)) -- I know how rollback works, I've used it on a private wiki which I run (albeit not so frequently as it would be used here due to the privacy of the wiki) and it seems relatively straightforward, if your concern is acquaintance with guidelines and policies surrounding it, I read through them a couple of times before my RFR request. Chris Rocen (talk) 14:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome to look at the code if you want to: it's freely readable. The startup code is here, main code is here and the library is here. Knock yourself out. Ale_Jrbtalk 15:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Rerequesting igloo whitelisting ;) Unomi (talk) 00:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

This script kicks ass. ;) Unomi (talk) 11:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Glad you like it. :) Ale_Jrbtalk 12:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Revoke igloo privlege please

thanks. A8UDI 17:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. You should now find that you are unable to use igloo. Ale_Jrbtalk 20:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps in the future when all the kinks are out I'll give it a whirl again. One of the factors that kind of screwed me up was that when I made a mistake and reverted a GF edit, all the future edits from that person were treated as vandalism and .. yeah, I clicked too fast. TomA8 14:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback; I'll definitely take it into account. If there's anything else that you especially did or didn't like, it'd be great if you let me know. Thanks. Ale_Jrbtalk 22:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism Warnings

Ale_jrb - I have several messages from you saying I have vandalised several pages from this IP address from last September. It is not me that has 'vandalised' these so called pages. As I have an account on Wikipedia, I don't edit pages as a guest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.162.103 (talk) 15:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I have replied on this user's talk page. Ale_Jrbtalk 22:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 14 December 2009

Igloo Feedback

Hi there Ale jrb. I am corrently working on a tool tentatively-named CollabRC which works similar in manner to your tool Igloo. One of the capabilities of this system is that it collaborates with a bot running artificial intelligence to learn and adapt to vandalism patterns. After discussing with some others in IRC, it was suggested that perhaps I contact you; since Igloo is still in development, there is potential that you might be willing to adapt it so that it also feeds information to this bot after a revert is done, increasing its learning pool. Naturally, I don't want to force this on you and it's totally your decision; additionally, this is something that is somewhat down the road as this project is just getting started. I just wanted to throw this your way in case you were interested. Please let me know if you have any questions, comments, or concerns. Thanks. --Shirik (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not quite clear: you intend to train a neural network using reversions made by people using existing tools in order to build an anti-vandalism bot? Or you intend to simply made a better distribution server for manual reversion clients? Either way, I would prbably be willing to feed reverts made using igloo to an external source at some point in the furture, but as few people are currently using the tool as it is still in development, I'd suggest you'd be better off approaching huggle. Ale_Jrbtalk 18:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Igloo

Hi, I'd be interested in testing out igloo. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 11:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. Ale_Jrbtalk 15:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ale jrb, I would also like give igloo a go :-) -- Marek.69 talk 15:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. Ale_Jrbtalk 20:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Me too! Tim1357 (talk) 03:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

igloo bug

hey there, I was testing out igloo, and found that the edit summaries are a bit off. See here. Great work so far! Tim1357 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

That's very strange - it seems to be working for everyone else! :O Unfortunately, your broken edit summary means it wasn't warning anyone. Hmm... Unfortunately, I don't have OS X to test with. Are you using the lastest version of Firefox? Ale_Jrbtalk 17:28, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Igloo

I'd like to try testing it. However, I would first like to know which people would have access to my IP address and what server I would be linking to (or how secure it is, at least). Thanks,  fetchcomms☛ 21:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey. With all information, Wikimedia's m:Privacy policy is followed. In addition, there are no 'volunteers' who will ever have access to the information (I, of course, could access the information if I so chose), and the abuse tracker (the script which records iglooNet requests and data including the originating IP address), though not the server log, is usually cleared every month. Be advised, however, that it is likely that the iglooNet server is less secure than the Mediawiki ones, and although I make every effort to ensure data is secure, I don't take responsibility for any data that is obtained by another party - if this is unsuitable for you, you mustn't use igloo. Let me know either way. Ale_Jrbtalk 22:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Good to hear. My IP is static, so I'm not overly concerned. Thanks for the prompt reply, and I'd love to start using it!  fetchcomms☛ 23:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I missed or if it hasn't been implemented, but a choice of user warnings (like in Huggle) would be nice, I don't want to rv a mistaken external link adder with vandalism.  fetchcomms☛ 02:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey. You haven't missed it - I just haven't added it yet. You can see the development plans here. Thanks! Ale_Jrbtalk 11:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 21 December 2009

Igloo suggestions

I don't know if there is a better place, but I have added some suggestions here. Thanks again for a nice tool! Unomi (talk) 12:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

No, there's fine. I shall take them into account! :D Thanks! Ale_Jrbtalk 14:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Thanks! :) Ale_Jrbtalk 10:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

CSDHelper feature request

Hi there and happy Saturnalia Since the current speedy declined notification can sound somewhat patronizing to experienced users, could you modify the script to allow the admin to choose to send a "notification light" instead, i.e. one that only says "I declined speedy on X because of Y" without that "please read WP:CSD..."? Regards SoWhy 22:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been meaning to convert it to use a normal template (that you can choose as a setting) for a while; I'll adjust the text when I get round to this. I can bump it in priority, but it's nearly Christmas, sooo... :P Ale_Jrbtalk 23:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, it shouldn't be too hard to implement, should it? But of course, take your time and happy whatever you are celebrating Regards SoWhy 17:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
This is now done. You may have to hard refresh your browser to see the changes. Ale_Jrbtalk 15:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I noticed. Thank you very much Regards SoWhy 15:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to sprinkle some subst:'s here and there in the generated code? Right now it's leaving 1500+ bytes of #switch & #ifeq's. Timotheus Canens (talk) 08:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Oooops - I was meaning to fix this, but I forgot and went on holiday. Sorry everyone! :O Ale_Jrbtalk 18:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 28 December 2009

Igloo request

Hi, could you add me to the list? Thanks! (X! · talk)  · @257  ·  05:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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